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 Azazelx wrote:

No, the reasoning is quite different:

The difference is that the KS1 campaign wanted to fund 5 armies. While it didn't get there, it did allow itself to finish and provided all of the content that was unlocked. There's no lie or deceit there because when was funded got produced.

On the contrary we have the strongest of beliefs that if we had decided to pull out after witnessing how pledges were being massively dropped I think no-one would have blamed us.
If anyone thinks otherwise, we will politely have to agree to disagree.
But we didn't. We stuck around although we never reached our expectations and fulfilled as promised. Doing it a 2nd time... no,no,no... "we are definitely doing something wrong here, the reasonable thing to do is cancel/fix/relaunch."


On KS-2 @Azazelx we wanted to fund two whole armies. We had some basics and needed all the rest. Agreed, we hadn't properly communicated it and don't know how many SGs each army may have unlocked (i.e. maybe the Orcs would not have gotten any of their Monstrous Cavalry for example) but they would still have had to enrich their ranks a lot. The way it was going, well, that wouldn't happen (also due to our SG's not being well planned out, again we have assumed all responsibility). Also, in all this it's important to take under consideration (yet impossible to prove to anyone, let alone transfer the feeling) of how being continuously messaged from people complaining about us "being too rigid" -in what we still consider a very good and honest deal- was affecting us.
When the rule-set let down struck it got worse; people weren't as interested as we thought they'd be. We have admitted it was an over-estimation from our part repeatedly. Does that make us dishonest? None of us here thinks so, it's only human to overestimate and as long as we secured noone has lost a single dime in our book damage control in this case was almost perfect (except the bit of time people invested in following the progress of the project these 7 days, that unfortunately we cannot give back). Some will disagree with this mentality of ours, hands up, no argument there, to each his own. Fact remains the game is important to us and a rulebook has costs, we need a professional translation and editing, then the concept artists must be paid, these things don't come free. It's been written on our webstore page some years now so it's not something we have suddenly made up, but... People not being interested only made matters worse on how the planning of KS-2 was going to affect it.

TLDR;
I think it all comes down to a matter of perspective. Cancelling something in order to fix it and come back with what makes *both* parties happy is imho what the cancel button is about. Then again someone may argue that we should have directly asked for a couple of hundred grant since that was our main purpose. Well, if someone believes that was the "honest" thing to do and that we still would have the slightest chance to fund... yeah, OK, we will simply agree to disagree.

We will take it much slower, maybe hoping to fund a couple of kits per year as someone else said a couple of pages back. Maybe, just maybe, we can hope to gather enough so in 2-3 years we can come back and have the big break we are looking for... We feel optimistic for how the relaunch is going to work out however, after the cancellation we still received a lot of messages and comments on KS and FB page. We will see how it works out I guess, just a couple of weeks give or take for KS-2.5 to finish, first days will be crucial as we unfortunately didn't have time to rebuild the hype we did for KS-2 but we hope for the best. :-)

PS. I think you will all excuse me as I try to retain myself from commenting on the other companies for obvious reasons.

Shieldwolf.. is there ANY way the women can have a hammer as a selection? That one change means that the kit is ready to go for Mordheim. It also means they are far more useful for roleplayers.

If I may suggest..
If 200k or whatever is unrealistic.. then hold that. Set your starting point for 2 battling warbands. Let it grow naturally within the confines of the KS and let the demand set the pace. Set your starting intentions and starting funding goal be the same or I'm afraid we'll see a repeat.

EDIT:
Oh.. and as long as the other faction is Orcs.. I can't really justify buying it. I have hundreds of Orcs already. If it were lizardmen, beastmen, some sort of woodland forces, demons, dark elves, dwarves, or pretty much anything.. I'd be good to go. I just have sooo many Orcs from all the different companies doing them :(

I remember them saying that there are other races in the pipeline, but I cant remember which. I would like to see SW's take on the traditional fantasy races though! especially beastmen as I feel thats a type of mini which isnt as widely available as the others like elves etc etc.

Maybe the warmaidens will have a 2H option and perhaps one would be a hammer? I do like me some hammers

I agree.. Beastmen and Lizards are probably 2 most useful and while either have "some" alternatives out there.. there's really not much. Especially where variety is concerned (looking at you Meso American lizardmen..) Most Beastmen also tend to be goats.. which is fine but they all tend to look really really similar. I have to look again but I was pretty sure D&D Beastmen had some variety past goat.

Orcs on the other hand are being made by everyone. They are almost as saturated as zombies.
GW, Reaper, Hasslefree, Mantic, CMoN just to name a few.
The part that makes it worse is that Mantic has had 2 recent kickstarters with Orcs (KoW and Dungeon Saga) and CMoN had at least one with the B-Sieged expansion.

There are alot of Orcs around, but the vareity in them is what I think makes them allright to still produce. Especially SW's mountain orcs which have a very savage beast vibe to them.

But for now im happy enough with some warrior women, maybe sometime down the line we will see what other races they have planned

I'd be more interested in either beastmen or lizardmen too.

Still. I will most likely re-back the shieldmaidens KS once it opens. Largely due to a tax rebate.

I am ALWAYS down for Lizards. Beastmen a little less, but almost as much. Definitely more than humans.

i miss the old Beastmen where they were actually, y'know, BEASTS, rather than just goats.

That is a VERY good point - I'd love for some Beastmen with a little variety in there!

Goats, Birds, Bears, Lions, Dogs, Horses, etc. etc.

 Alpharius wrote:
That is a VERY good point - I'd love for some Beastmen with a little variety in there!

Goats, Birds, Bears, Lions, Dogs, Horses, etc. etc.

and of course cat girls..............

Dan king over on the KOW fanatic page did some cat women out of the new succubi models, think he got one of the cat heads from the sisterhood panthers and magic molded himself aload and stuck it onto the succubi, looked rather good.

 Goregut wrote:
Dan king over on the KOW fanatic page did some cat women out of the new succubi models, think he got one of the cat heads from the sisterhood panthers and magic molded himself aload and stuck it onto the succubi, looked rather good.

sounds fun

Wargods do some great ones but hard to get over here :(

maybe Shield Wolf will also be doing female orcs?

I wouldnt say no to some female orcs :O

 Goregut wrote:
I wouldnt say no to some female orcs :O

Likely they would not let you say no

Like I would in the first place

I wish there was a pledge level with no resin component that still had stretch goal excitement. I guess I'll just stick with one single add on box of shieldmaidens on the add on only pledge.

What do you mean bob?

During the first campaign, they had a 9? dollar pledge for add ons only, then the next lowest was $50 for a box of shieldmaidens, two resin heroes and some resin wolves. As a customer who is pledging for plastic and only plastic, this was less appealing than say $50 for two boxes plus stretch goals, or $35 for one box plus a sprue of any stretch goal plastics.

Last time I looked at the rough draft for round 2, it had the same options.

 MLaw wrote:
Shieldwolf.. is there ANY way the women can have a hammer as a selection? That one change means that the kit is ready to go for Mordheim. It also means they are far more useful for roleplayers.

The only variants for what you are asking belong to the Talliareum faction, also being the only female units in Talliareum (Bombardiers have both male and female). That would include a female monk-type unit and a holly order (plate armor), first is a bit "I strike hard and last little", while the other is something like "I cost a lot more but stand my ground".
We have some time to go before that happens though, we still haven't even funded KS-2.5 to even consider start talking about these...

 MLaw wrote:
If I may suggest..
If 200k or whatever is unrealistic.. then hold that. Set your starting point for 2 battling warbands. Let it grow naturally within the confines of the KS and let the demand set the pace. Set your starting intentions and starting funding goal be the same or I'm afraid we'll see a repeat.

Yes, we will take and produce whatever we fund in our next KS(s), after which we will wait and see when (and if) we get a "really good KS project" which will allow us to move much faster than we are currently doing. Our abbandoning the "only-one KS per time" Policy might also help us get rid of that problem, as we have said this seems ito have caused us more harm than good.

 Goregut wrote:
Maybe the warmaidens will have a 2H option and perhaps one would be a hammer? I do like me some hammers

Only the fourth (and last planned) Shieldmaiden kit, the Dragonbred wear heavy armor and have two-handed weaponry, but it's mostly axes, no hammers I'm afraid.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
During the first campaign, they had a 9? dollar pledge for add ons only, then the next lowest was $50 for a box of shieldmaidens, two resin heroes and some resin wolves. As a customer who is pledging for plastic and only plastic, this was less appealing than say $50 for two boxes plus stretch goals, or $35 for one box plus a sprue of any stretch goal plastics.

Last time I looked at the rough draft for round 2, it had the same options.

Yes, actually the $9 dollar pledge was set in order to signal that the lowest add-on would be $9, we didn't know people would have prefered a $1 and still do the same :-)
Anyway, we have fixed that now, live and learn for us I guess.

id really love to back this however its come at a bad time. is there an option to support but i can add stuff on later via paypal?

Just back for $1 Migooo and I believe so dont quote me on this during the Pledge manager you can add to your pledge.

 Goregut wrote:
Just back for $1 Migooo and I believe so dont quote me on this during the Pledge manager you can add to your pledge.

hope so, id finally be able to do that amazon warband I have wanted too

I hope I get an EB again. And the two free boxes SG

I just hope it funds! anything else is just extra toppings!

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
That is a VERY good point - I'd love for some Beastmen with a little variety in there!

Goats, Birds, Bears, Lions, Dogs, Horses, etc. etc.

and of course cat girls..............

If Shieldwolf made a plastic Catpeople army... I would buy it all. A tragic lack of plastic catmen/catwomen minis out there.

 Red Viper wrote:

If Shieldwolf made a plastic Catpeople army... I would buy it all. A tragic lack of plastic catmen/catwomen minis out there.

Especially if they came with retro sci fi space suits so I can make a Kzin army

One of the first toys I ever distinctly remember owning was a leopard man from the Blackstar toy line.

I've had a soft spot for fighting feline folk ever since.

I've wanted tigermen since Breath of Fire 3. Magic has cool looking ones as well, design wise. And the 6th edition Beasts of Chaos book talks about Ind's weretigers. I wanted them so, so much.

There's at least one ogre sized werebear and and even bigger bullman (not minoraur) available from some range, beautiful models, have them both, as well as countless boarmen (PP alone), werewolves, goatmen, crocodile or gatormen, fly-heads as bits and even some catgirls, both scifi and fantasy, even lion dudes can be bought, but Idon't know aboutany tigermen ;(

If Shieldwolf were to get Fausto Gutierrez to design a set full of catpeople like smaller Antipodes/dogfaces (lion heads, tiger heads, heck, wolf heads should fit such bodies as well), oh my.

Binabik15 wrote:
I've wanted tigermen since Breath of Fire 3. Magic has cool looking ones as well, design wise. And the 6th edition Beasts of Chaos book talks about Ind's weretigers. I wanted them so, so much.

There's at least one ogre sized werebear and and even bigger bullman (not minoraur) available from some range, beautiful models, have them both, as well as countless boarmen (PP alone), werewolves, goatmen, crocodile or gatormen, fly-heads as bits and even some catgirls, both scifi and fantasy, even lion dudes can be bought, but Idon't know aboutany tigermen ;(

If Shieldwolf were to get Fausto Gutierrez to design a set full of catpeople like smaller Antipodes/dogfaces (lion heads, tiger heads, heck, wolf heads should fit such bodies as well), oh my.

Have you checked out Alkemy. They just did a Kickstarter a little while back to try and get the game out there again (4th time I think), but one of their better lines is the Khaliman Empire , cat people of Arabic styling.
http://alkemy-the-game.com/en/category/factions-en/khaliman-republic/
Not a huge selection, but it's a skirmish game.

Hey guys! just letting you all know its now live!

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1273312680/war-is-coming-shieldmaidens-army-reboot/description

All the best!

Pledged - now need the s goals to add more on