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Great concept. Sounds fun.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
looks like they shorted RRI ?

Yup. SPM chose not to deliver RRI in the retail box that they showed in the Campaign. Also, they didn't bundle in any of the card sleeves, the 5 dice for each of the Expansions. And they shorted players on the blinds. This was done across the board, for all US backers, and appears to be a deliberate penny-saving action.

It's been 2 full business days since these issues were raised, and it's been radio silence from SPM the entire time.

As a result of this, several SDE:Legends backers are now pursuing refunds, given the lack of a delivery date and the now high uncertainty toward actual delivery fulfillment, while others are speculating as to the financial solvency of the company.

Unfortunately, Soda Pop really only makes some interesting anime style miniatures, and that's about it. They aren't known for interesting or good rules, the latest relic knights playtest is a mess, their current board and card games are crunchy ameritrash in the bad way.

So, unless they plan to put T&A on all the trolls on these cards, not sure what they're expecting to do with this license?

Apparently they have responded via facebook although I can't find it myself(but clearly not via an official update yet but i'll give them a pass as they may well still be recovering/returning from gencon)

I will update everyone with the situation and solution. As some kits were packed in China missing screens, slips, and some dice. We know who needs what, it was easy to track down, and are prepping mailers to get everyone thier stuff.

so they seem to be addressing it and it's so obviously wrong I can't see it being a conscious choice on their part, much more likely a screwup in the production instructions to the factory, or a mistake by the factory

(I wonder if that's part of the reason the rest of the world stuff is still in China, they caught but kept quiet about the issue and held production to fix it as mailing separate replacements overseas would be a killer)


(photo posted on facebook by Tim Salisbury)

the above shows what at least some people seem to be getting in the way of boxes so the Lock Box isn't as bad as some seem to be making out (plain box but I bet some were counting on selling the retail version and just keeping the bonus minis to paint. So not having the retail box is an issue as it is clearly show on the KS that you get both (and it's what they've done before with for example Forgotten King) so I'll wait to see what happens with that

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
looks like they shorted RRI ?

Yup. SPM chose not to deliver RRI in the retail box that they showed in the Campaign. Also, they didn't bundle in any of the card sleeves, the 5 dice for each of the Expansions. And they shorted players on the blinds. This was done across the board, for all US backers, and appears to be a deliberate penny-saving action.

It's been 2 full business days since these issues were raised, and it's been radio silence from SPM the entire time.

As a result of this, several SDE:Legends backers are now pursuing refunds, given the lack of a delivery date and the now high uncertainty toward actual delivery fulfillment, while others are speculating as to the financial solvency of the company.

Honestly - it's being ridiculously overblown.

Here's what's missing:
3 blinds for a dice-based mini-game that was included as a free stretch goal. Easily replaced by any piece of paper/cardboard/book etc.
Cardsleeves - am not really sure what these are for - as I can't see them giving out 200+ card sleeves to everyone (to cover every card inlcuded in the game).
10 dice - 5 from each expansion - this needs to be fixed before hitting retail. (as the expansions bump up the max player count) But for backers - we already got 40 dice - enough for 8 players (the game, with expansions, only supports up to 6).
A box. The game (and all the free extras) comes in a nice, attractive box that neatly holds all the cards, etc. I'd guess at some point Soda Pop realized there really wasn't a need for a bonus box to hold all the extras. It would be kinda dumb to literally ship everyone an empty box.

I get people are upset about SDE: Legends being so late. But it really just seems like people are looking for a reason to throw a fit here. Soda Pop (having just gotten back from Gen Con) also sent out an update today mentioning the missing components and offering to ship them (for free) to anyone who contacts them.

Will also say - upon first inspection - am very pleased with the quality of the minis. Very minimal mold lines compared to the stuff that came with SDE: TFK. (some of which were a nightmare to clean - a longtime problem with SDE minis).

No, it's not overblown, any more than it was overblown to complain about the Deeproot Wolfrider being shipped as an obviously incomplete model.

SPM showed one thing to collect monies, and delivered another.

People have a right to be upset about that, and to worry whether similar "mistakes" will occur with "some" Legends backers.

As for the packaging, it was SPM's decision to make the expansion boxes mostly air.

It's completely overblown because you have absolutely everything you need to play/enjoy the game of Rail Raiders Infinite - which is what you pledged for.

Nobody pledged for the game to get an extra box, or 10 more redundant dice, or cardsleeves - people bitch about those things as "fake stretch goals" during campaigns.

And it's fine to want it remedied (which, again, Soda Pop is offering to do) but the level of tantrum in the KS comments is ridiculous.

Schmapdi wrote:
It's completely overblown because you have absolutely everything you need to play/enjoy the game of Rail Raiders Infinite - which is what you pledged for.

Nobody pledged for the game to get an extra box, or 10 more redundant dice, or cardsleeves - people bitch about those things as "fake stretch goals" during campaigns.

And it's fine to want it remedied (which, again, Soda Pop is offering to do) but the level of tantrum in the KS comments is ridiculous.

Sorry, but when a company states clearly what is to be delivered and then doesn't deliver it, it is a big deal. When I buy a car, if the stereo isn't the higher-end that was promised, I'm still going to be pissed even if the car itself is all I needed.

And everyone is missing the big picture here. This is the kinda thing that companies do when they are under financial pressure. Its called "cutting corners" and then hoping the customer doesn't care. Combined with the fact that the Relic Knights 2 Kickstarter made about half of what they were expecting is worrisome. I'm really hoping they aren't using the proceeds from more current Kickstarters to cover the cost over-runs on their past Kickstarters. And its starting to feel like they are....

The Trollslayer Card Game is a head-scratcher. For many, SPM's strength has been their world-building and interesting modelling ideas, not their rules-design. So to take a already-existing license and then build rules for it is... strange.

I really wish SPM would focus on their two premiere games and get those right. Everything else is a distraction - and its pissing me off.

Mez

I'd initially thought the card game (and since card games can pull in much better money than minis games for an equivalent outlay) was going to be from a new designer,

but no it's by the two leads on Relic Knights, Cadice and Freeman

so they've either been thinking about this when they should have been dealing with the as yet unfinished SDE Legends and Relic Knights,

or the game they've announced is a long, long way off (and that I doubt as there's no point paying the licence fee until the game's basically done, it just doesn't make financial sense)

16 weeks plus from an unspecified signing date. So 2018 for Super Dungeon... way to go guys...

Schmapdi wrote:
It's completely overblown

The feth it is.

That responsibility of the seller to deliver what was advertised is the fundamental tenet of consumer law.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'd initially thought the card game (and since card games can pull in much better money than minis games for an equivalent outlay) was going to be from a new designer,

but no it's by the two leads on Relic Knights, Cadice and Freeman

so they've either been thinking about this when they should have been dealing with the as yet unfinished SDE Legends and Relic Knights,

or the game they've announced is a long, long way off (and that I doubt as there's no point paying the licence fee until the game's basically done, it just doesn't make financial sense)

Or it's a card game they made a long time ago and sat on for a long time, or it's a reskin/minor reworking of an existing card game, or it's something they worked on in between breaks of SDE/Relic Knights as a way to not go insane, or ...

I suspect reskin. I doubt we'll see any new innovations with the cardgame. It just needs to be humorous without caring about balance

I could do with a fun Trollslayer mini or two...

Schmapdi wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
I'd initially thought the card game (and since card games can pull in much better money than minis games for an equivalent outlay) was going to be from a new designer,

but no it's by the two leads on Relic Knights, Cadice and Freeman

so they've either been thinking about this when they should have been dealing with the as yet unfinished SDE Legends and Relic Knights,

or the game they've announced is a long, long way off (and that I doubt as there's no point paying the licence fee until the game's basically done, it just doesn't make financial sense)

Or it's a card game they made a long time ago and sat on for a long time, or it's a reskin/minor reworking of an existing card game, or it's something they worked on in between breaks of SDE/Relic Knights as a way to not go insane, or ...

I mean... they've failed to get those games right after multiple tries now. I assume once they hired Justin to take care of things they were more or less out of the picture.

http://sodapopminiatures.com/relic-knights-2nd-edition-pledge-manager/accessories-ks/large-base-insert-set

So I noticed that Sodapop has started selling their base inserts, except instead of being able to order just 30mm or 40s or 50s, they give you a bunch of them at once and you're probably going to be stuck with leftovers

Those base inserts actually look pretty nice...

They're pretty awesome. Pretty much the best PVC thing to come out of Relic Knights 1. I'm just amazed it took so long to sell them, but sad they don't let you pick sizes.

Soda Pop's mascot, Cola (without Candy) is crossing over with Red Panda Games Kickstarter Wanderer: Cult of Barnacle Bay

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1996974421/wander-the-cult-of-barnacle-bay?ref=creator_nav

Our next stretch goal hero is Cola, from Soda Pop Miniatures!

Cola from Soda Pop Miniatures and Ninja division is going to lend his aid the Wanderers Guild to take on Elder Bane and his Cult of the Deep! He is a Soda Bombardier, smashing soda bombs to give his friends buffs and his enemies loads of problems! This cross over model is a playable expansion hero that comes with his own model, hero card, starting equipment, and initiative card!



Cola is also our first paid hero add-on. He'll cost $12, so if you want to pick him up just add $12 to your pledge! You'll be able to pick him during the pledge management phase with the money credited to your pledge.

**Important Note: He will not come with a Super Dungeon Explore card. This is due to the visual stylistic differences between the games. **

Here's the full design:



We are so excited to finally be able to reveal this amazing news! Let us know what you think in the comments, and as always #keepcalmandwanderon!

Should've had a little chibi candy hanging off him.

You know, if these guys really have started production on SDE and have models like they appear to claim, why aren't they showing them?

Surely they have some prototypes?

 Maniac_nmt wrote:
You know, if these guys really have started production on SDE and have models like they appear to claim, why aren't they showing them?

Surely they have some prototypes?

In theory, production started last week, so in theory, they should be able to show actual production miniatures, not just pre-production prototypes.

SPECIAL STARFINDERTM MINIATURES ANNOUNCEMENT 9/27

Boise Idaho (September 25, 2017)

Paizo and Ninja Division Publishing are excited to announce a new project that will be launching on Wednesday, September 27, 2017. Both companies are keeping the details close to the vest until then. However, all are encouraged to pay close attention to the websites for both companies (Paizo.com and NinjaDivision.com), as well as their social media sites on Facebook and Twitter on Wednesday at 12 p.m. EST for all the details on this exciting new adventure.

more minis? more delays on the already announced minis, we wait to find out

Kickstarter for Starfinder miniatures.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/325468910/starfinder-masterclass-miniatures?ref=user_menu

Some of the minis offered here are the same that were preorder last month. Creator advised:

"Hi there Bill,

The miniatures you have pre-ordered are still on the way. We will be fulfilling your pre-orders of the promotional line we did for Gencon. We wanted to include those designs in this Kickstarter to give other people a chance at getting some, as they will come from the same manufacturer, and be less limited. This does not effect your order, and those miniatures are in process to get out to you and other pre-orders right away. For those reading this - we had a short period we offered a promotional pre-order of 8 of the Key Iconic characters from the Starfinder RPG for the last 45 days. They are now included in the campaign if you missed them there."

Interesting that they're running this one under the Ninja Division Publishing banner as '1st created'

perhaps the moaning about the SDE Legends and Rail Raiders delays was felt to be too toxic

or perhaps it's actually this Lazy Squires Games they mention in the FAQs actually doing it and just using the greater recognition of the Ninja Division brand (the name only brings up a single google hit for one of those mail drop of a million companies places so must be really new)

Does it say what material the figures are in?

I'm tempted to say the least. Lots of random xenos? Sign me up!

Especially with all them reptiles and multi limbed humanoids...

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Does it say what material the figures are in?

I'm tempted to say the least. Lots of random xenos? Sign me up!

Especially with all them reptiles and multi limbed humanoids...

From the FAQ
What type of material are these figures made out of?

The models in the Masterclass series are high quality resin. Resin provides amazing detail bringing out the highest fidelity of these masterfully sculpted models.

Its nice to see they are following on CMONs garbage way of handling KSes. NEw kickstarter while most of our others are not done, or missing lots of items. But hey this wont strain any resources at all! Everythings fine here!

Get my missing rail raiders items and put the nail in the coffin for SPM

I must admit I was a little annoyed to realise the Way of the Fighter KS all the RoW rail raiders backers had to wait for so they could double up on the shipping wasn't actually total fulfilment of that project

they haven't even started making the minis for it yet (although they say they're designed) and are now planning a 2nd wave to deliver those but the project was only meant to deliver last month so if they only needed to wait a month or so for the minis they could have delivered all at once and probably within the 6 month late you kind of expect for KS

Does this mean those prepainted minis we saw up for preorder are not arriving this year or not in plastic? What's going on with that release?