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Hey guys

I'm currently working on a custom SM chapter. I've decided on a desired colour scheme..
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And I've settled on some background fluff, although I'm sure that will change here and there. Decided to go with 21st cursed founding, fleet-based chapter, dwindling numbers 145 to be specific, hyper-stimulated Omophagea gene deficiency, preference on up close and personal combat etc, in a nut shell at least.

Been reading a lot of the old Rogue trader stuff as of late so wanted something fitting the slightly more out there chapters (Rainbow Warriors, Space Sharks etc etc) so the theme I wanted to try and work into this chapter was some VERY SUBTLE Dino traits (don't laugh) nothing over the top, and trying to keep as far away from say the Salamanders for example as possible.

And I do mean subtle, don't want to go over the top, small amounts of what in the 41st millennium they would consider "mythical" creatures worked into their heraldry etc etc, possibly similar designed skulls and bones worked into the armour in certain places, things of that nature. Hopefully this isn't sounding too silly so far, but it is part of the older editions charm I feel ^^

But I wont bore you too much with the details, my problem right now is deciding and coming up with an appropriate chapter name. It needs to be something that quickly gives you the impression of what the chapter's theme is and what they're about, but at the same time not too on the nose, no DinoMarines!!! because that's a little sillier than I was wanting.

I tried working in some 40kGothicLatin but most of my results of that just gave me the name Rex, and I wanted to reserve that for use on the Chapter Master himself (Haphaestus Rex?), so I don't know if there was anything else along those lines I could work in?

Other such ideas incorporated mixings of names like, Crusaders, Templars, Warrior, Knights and so on, Mixed with Jurassic for example, but I was advised Jurassic Warriors was a little hard hitting? Which is a shame, alternatively I could go for actual named 'Saurs themselves, "Carnotaurs" for example, but I'd just like other opinions of ideas on some of these concepts.

Sometimes we don't know how terrible some of our own ideas can sound, and at the same time we can be our own worst critics, so any help and advise, opinions and ideas would be greatly appreciated with this

Thanks guys! (again don't laugh;P )

Maybe you could go with Bellasaurs. It literally translates as War lizards.

Never go full Latin. It's awful, and up until the snowflakes at Forgeworld did it to the Space Sharks, there were literally zero official chapters with a Latin name.

Remember, High Gothic isn't an actual language, and while Anatinus Iratos sounds kinda cool, the name of the chapter would still be the Angry Platypi.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Never go full Latin. It's awful, and up until the snowflakes at Forgeworld did it to the Space Sharks, there were literally zero official chapters with a Latin name.

Remember, High Gothic isn't an actual language, and while Anatinus Iratos sounds kinda cool, the name of the chapter would still be the Angry Platypi.

Not to mention there's the question of how the hell a language that was dead for over two thousand years and probably greater in the 40k timeline considering people barely remember Rome at all- is still spoken 40k years in the future.

Doing a bit of googling. Dinosaurs belong to a group called archosaurs. Sounds like an awesome chapter name on its on but you could mess with it.

Arch Saurus, which is similar, I believe means something like chief lizard so it could have potential.

About the colour scheme: are you sure about the red speedos?

Grey Templar wrote:Maybe you could go with Bellasaurs. It literally translates as War lizards.

Waggh Lizards, perhaps although I feel they'd need bells worn around their necks xD

Veteran Sergeant wrote:Never go full Latin. It's awful, and up until the snowflakes at Forgeworld did it to the Space Sharks, there were literally zero official chapters with a Latin name.
Remember, High Gothic isn't an actual language, and while Anatinus Iratos sounds kinda cool, the name of the chapter would still be the Angry Platypi.

I did want to reframe from 40k fake Latin, exactly! I hate to call my Space Sharks Carcharodons >,< Maybe I will just fine an appropriate adjective to place before, Warriors or Space for example, those names are the best ^^
Then again Angry Platypi is a hard one to pass up x] lol

Taffy17 wrote:Doing a bit of googling. Dinosaurs belong to a group called archosaurs. Sounds like an awesome chapter name on its on but you could mess with it.

Arch Saurus, which is similar, I believe means something like chief lizard so it could have potential.

Chief Lizards and War Lizards, tempting, but probably going to do my best to leave out the Gothic for now. Thank you though ^^ appreciate it!

Crimson wrote:About the colour scheme: are you sure about the red speedos?

Oh yes!, basing the colour scheme on Grimlock ( I couldn't resist )


The Space Lizards just doesn't have the right ring to it, I feel they would be mostly fighting the Power Rangers with a name like that. Once again leaning more towards Jurassic Warriors, unless anyone can float a better Adj? Spent ages trying different variations, it is tedious trying to find anything that gives off the right vibe that isn't something along the lines of, Tyrano Warrors! or The Space Raptors! (raptors is used quite a lot though in existing chapters)

Thanks everyone though, greatly appreciate the feedback with this, deff helps the thought process here.

Carnosaurs

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Never go full Latin. It's awful, and up until the snowflakes at Forgeworld did it to the Space Sharks, there were literally zero official chapters with a Latin name.

Remember, High Gothic isn't an actual language, and while Anatinus Iratos sounds kinda cool, the name of the chapter would still be the Angry Platypi.

Well that's because the Carcharadons only speak High Gothic where possible. And Carcharadons (Astra) sounds far sleeker than Space Sharks

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Never go full Latin. It's awful, and up until the snowflakes at Forgeworld did it to the Space Sharks, there were literally zero official chapters with a Latin name.

Remember, High Gothic isn't an actual language, and while Anatinus Iratos sounds kinda cool, the name of the chapter would still be the Angry Platypi.

Not to mention there's the question of how the hell a language that was dead for over two thousand years and probably greater in the 40k timeline considering people barely remember Rome at all- is still spoken 40k years in the future.

The emperor remembered it!

Roman influences are all over the place in the Imperium.

 Deadshot wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Never go full Latin. It's awful, and up until the snowflakes at Forgeworld did it to the Space Sharks, there were literally zero official chapters with a Latin name.

Remember, High Gothic isn't an actual language, and while Anatinus Iratos sounds kinda cool, the name of the chapter would still be the Angry Platypi.

Well that's because the Carcharadons only speak High Gothic where possible. And Carcharadons (Astra) sounds far sleeker than Space Sharks

Sure it does.

What about Saurons? Tyrants of Rex (You could name the Chapter world Rex - then Tyrants of Rex is similar to Tyrannosaurus Rex) Sons of Rex? Claw Warriors? Talon Guard? (That could possibly be an elite unit) Claw Brothers? I'm kinda running out now, Dinosaurs are a hard subject...

Regarding the Latin thing, I suppose it's all down to your personal tastes. I know in Great Britain, we're surrounded by Latin - Almost every family in the country (Whether they are aware of it or not) has a motto in Latin. Most of our historical organisations, institutes and buildings also have them. Even our currency has Latin script on it. My point is, whether it's strange or not is all rather subjective and based on what you're raised around. Possibly, those of you living in the USA (I don't know, just hypothesizing) find it more clunky because you aren't as familiar with Latin in everyday life (Again, I don't really know, as I'm English). Personally, I like Carcharadons and other Latin-esque designations such as Pyroclasts etc. I find it no different from Imperial Organisations such as Adeptus Mechanicus, Adeptus Astartes or Adeptus Sororitas, Which have been established in 40k fluff for ages. Good Lord even the 'Imperium' means 'Power to Command' (Imperium of Man=Power to Command Man). That said I do find it harder to reconcile with the more recent Astra Militarum. Translated as 'Star Soldiers', it's just doesn't trip off the tongue as well as 'The Imperial Guard'. Once again though, It's completely down to personal taste, and I'm not going to push my opinion on anyone.

 PhillyT wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Never go full Latin. It's awful, and up until the snowflakes at Forgeworld did it to the Space Sharks, there were literally zero official chapters with a Latin name.

Remember, High Gothic isn't an actual language, and while Anatinus Iratos sounds kinda cool, the name of the chapter would still be the Angry Platypi.

Not to mention there's the question of how the hell a language that was dead for over two thousand years and probably greater in the 40k timeline considering people barely remember Rome at all- is still spoken 40k years in the future.

The emperor remembered it!

Roman influences are all over the place in the Imperium.

Except they don't even remember the full name of Rome.

 Warpig1815 wrote:
What about Saurons?

@Crimson:

I won't be able to see Sauron the same way again.

I did post that one with tongue firmly in cheek

names are hard. i've called my homebrew chapter the Steel Guard, but that's about the fifth iteration because i can't seem to get it just right. I want the word steel in there and i've tried loads of other ways but it just isn't right yet.

 daddyorchips wrote:
names are hard. i've called my homebrew chapter the Steel Guard, but that's about the fifth iteration because i can't seem to get it just right. I want the word steel in there and i've tried loads of other ways but it just isn't right yet.

STEEHL RAIHN!!!

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Never go full Latin. It's awful, and up until the snowflakes at Forgeworld did it to the Space Sharks, there were literally zero official chapters with a Latin name.

Remember, High Gothic isn't an actual language, and while Anatinus Iratos sounds kinda cool, the name of the chapter would still be the Angry Platypi.

Not to mention there's the question of how the hell a language that was dead for over two thousand years and probably greater in the 40k timeline considering people barely remember Rome at all- is still spoken 40k years in the future.

my personal theory is that it's not actually latin like that, but rather it's sort of a "approximate translation" as it is a old archaic language no longer used except for ceremony and at very formal events. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_constructed_by_J._R._R._Tolkien

Tolken did much the same in some cases, taking the common tounge of westren as english, and translating related languages into similer related languages, such as rohirric became saxon etc

I knew that colour scheme reminded me of something! I much approve of Grimlock. Incidentally, is your avatar Death's Head from the old Transformers comic? I'm not a fan of Simon Furman, but the character was sort of cool.

Dinosaur themed really isn't a bad thing at all. The majority of Chapters have cultural influences from their recruitment worlds, and this often involves mythology and native xenos. A great example of this would be the eponymous Salamanders of Nocturne (which resemble lizards, despite being named after an amphibian). I don't know why you worry about it being silly - creature skulls and heraldry are a common theme among Chapters even in the current edition.

What does "hyper-stimulated Omophagea gene deficiency" mean? How is it hyper-stimulated but also deficient? Also, the omophagea is not a gene, it is an organ. Unless you mean the gene-seed, the blueprint for these organs, has a deficiency relating to the omophagea, but that still doesn't explain "hyper-stimulated". More importantly, what is the actual effect of this mutation on the resulting Astartes?

Think of their recruitment world, where this mythology comes from. Think of what manner of xenos creatures it is based upon (obviously something quite like dinosaurs).

Warpig1815 wrote:What about Saurons? Tyrants of Rex (You could name the Chapter world Rex - then Tyrants of Rex is similar to Tyrannosaurus Rex) Sons of Rex? Claw Warriors? Talon Guard? (That could possibly be an elite unit) Claw Brothers? I'm kinda running out now, Dinosaurs are a hard subject...

Regarding the Latin thing, I suppose it's all down to your personal tastes. I know in Great Britain, we're surrounded by Latin - Almost every family in the country (Whether they are aware of it or not) has a motto in Latin. Most of our historical organisations, institutes and buildings also have them. Even our currency has Latin script on it. My point is, whether it's strange or not is all rather subjective and based on what you're raised around. Possibly, those of you living in the USA (I don't know, just hypothesizing) find it more clunky because you aren't as familiar with Latin in everyday life (Again, I don't really know, as I'm English). Personally, I like Carcharadons and other Latin-esque designations such as Pyroclasts etc. I find it no different from Imperial Organisations such as Adeptus Mechanicus, Adeptus Astartes or Adeptus Sororitas, Which have been established in 40k fluff for ages. Good Lord even the 'Imperium' means 'Power to Command' (Imperium of Man=Power to Command Man). That said I do find it harder to reconcile with the more recent Astra Militarum. Translated as 'Star Soldiers', it's just doesn't trip off the tongue as well as 'The Imperial Guard'. Once again though, It's completely down to personal taste, and I'm not going to push my opinion on anyone.

Yeah too Dark Lord to go with that name ahah They're indeed a tricky one to work with without it being too blatant. It's a bit hit and miss really for all the factions it works (probably because they've always been called that), but when they're changed, Space Sharks - Carcharodons, IG - Astra Militarum it doesn't seem right to me IMO, although Carcharodons could be worse, but prefer the Spehhs Sherks ^^ lol

Thanks for the ideas and input helps a bunch

daddyorchips wrote:names are hard. i've called my homebrew chapter the Steel Guard, but that's about the fifth iteration because i can't seem to get it just right. I want the word steel in there and i've tried loads of other ways but it just isn't right yet.

I was working with incorporating Iron somewhere into this chapter but yeah, after trying a few names it all starts to sound a little used and cliché, hence my problem now x]

Frozen Ocean wrote:I knew that colour scheme reminded me of something! I much approve of Grimlock. Incidentally, is your avatar Death's Head from the old Transformers comic? I'm not a fan of Simon Furman, but the character was sort of cool.

Dinosaur themed really isn't a bad thing at all. The majority of Chapters have cultural influences from their recruitment worlds, and this often involves mythology and native xenos. A great example of this would be the eponymous Salamanders of Nocturne (which resemble lizards, despite being named after an amphibian). I don't know why you worry about it being silly - creature skulls and heraldry are a common theme among Chapters even in the current edition.

What does "hyper-stimulated Omophagea gene deficiency" mean? How is it hyper-stimulated but also deficient? Also, the omophagea is not a gene, it is an organ. Unless you mean the gene-seed, the blueprint for these organs, has a deficiency relating to the omophagea, but that still doesn't explain "hyper-stimulated". More importantly, what is the actual effect of this mutation on the resulting Astartes?

Think of their recruitment world, where this mythology comes from. Think of what manner of xenos creatures it is based upon (obviously something quite like dinosaurs).

I'm glad you noticed! Kept looking at him and thought, damn that would make a great chapter scheme ^^ I'll need a few flaming swords to go with them Do you think calling one of them Grimaldus Locke would be too obvious x]
Death's Head indeed yes? yeah my favourite freelance peacekeeping agent!

Great to hear, I was worried it might be a little too silly, but I remind myself the rainbow warriors exist so, if they can get away with it, I'm sure Giant monstrous lizards would be ok Exactly yes I was looking at trying to tie that into their fluff, some creature that they revere from their chapter planet and work that into their heraldry and themes of the chapter.

"hyper-stimulated Omophagea" I wont lie I partially used a "make your own chapter table" and that was what I was going to use for their mutation, and have that work as an equivalent to say the Red Thirst (happy enough to eat others) If that makes sense?

Yeah I'm working on the details of their story now, fleet-based, destroyed home world etc, And work on whatever gribbly dino-esque xenos existed there.

Thanks for the feedback, helps me out a lot

Hmmm....

Sons of Saurus? (Has a nice, hissing quality to it.)

Thunder Serpents?

Silver Scales?

Marines Mesozoic? (Ok...that might be a bit much).

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Never go full Latin. It's awful, and up until the snowflakes at Forgeworld did it to the Space Sharks, there were literally zero official chapters with a Latin name.

Remember, High Gothic isn't an actual language, and while Anatinus Iratos sounds kinda cool, the name of the chapter would still be the Angry Platypi.

Not to mention there's the question of how the hell a language that was dead for over two thousand years and probably greater in the 40k timeline considering people barely remember Rome at all- is still spoken 40k years in the future.

It's not. High Gothic only seems Latiny to us, because, as GW says, that is the closest translation that would be legible to a modern reader. It's an in-joke of the studio. High Gothic is so weird, the only way they can bring to us these tales of the far-future is to use an ancient root-language predating our time.

 Crimson wrote:

 Warpig1815 wrote:
What about Saurons?

Actually, Jerry Pournelle's military SF has genetically engineered super-soldiers from "Sauron System," so you'd be getting in a triple reference.

Well dinosaurs are old, so how about "Primordians". Makes them sound like ancient predators.

Well looking into the etymology of the word dinosaur, I saw it was derived from the word deinos, meaning "terrible," "potent," or "fearfully great" and sauros, meaning "lizard" or "reptile".

So that gives you the Terrible Marines.