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 EmpNortonII wrote:

Tau victory is the best the 40k universe can hope for.

So sterilization and mind control? Sounds good...

 Great White wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

Tau victory is the best the 40k universe can hope for.

So sterilization and mind control? Sounds good...

Tau victory is definitely the best way for the galaxy to go - tolerance and peace, with all species working towards the Greater Good of spreading the Tau empire into other galaxies. Because the Ethereals are greedy douchebags who just want to conquer; the Greater Good is just a way of helping them do so under the guise of peace and good will.

Heh, tolerance and peace.

More like Tau Supremacy and oppression.

On the subject of the Emperor, here is what I have to say:
1.) The Emperor did his best to discourage, destroy, and defame any and all cults and religions he came across, but the need to worship is deeply ingrained into humanity, and not so easily discarded. It was not the Emperor's fault he became a God, and not his original plan, but more on that later.
2.) The Emperor would be disgusted with the current state of events in the IoM, due to the complete degradation of the Byzantine government he had created, the fact that he is worshipped, as well as the almost complete and utter corruption of the Imperium of Man as a whole (aside from the few planets who actually have stable and uncorrupt local governments)\
3.) The Emperor never intended to be worshipped as a God, but he had little or no power to stop his ascendancy when he first became one. When Horus struck him down in his fit of foolish compassion, it was all that he could do to keep from being devoured by daemons and the Chaos Gods; (He could probably do literally nothing in the physical world)let alone hold the Imperium together and maintain the Astronomicon. When wide-scale worship of him began and the Eclessiarchy was put into place and he ascended due to trillions of humans worshipping him and feeding him their energies, the Ruinous Powers were stronger than ever before, with Legions of Chaos Astartes as well as billions of new cultists on top of their previous power and their armies of Daemons. The Emperor spends the vast majority of his energy holding off 4 massively powerful Gods (4 gods against 1). Despite the Emperor's massive power, it was not his intention to become a God, and he might not have even known that he COULD become one. He just sees all of the good that he could do now as a God, and just does his best to hold off Chaos.
4.) The Lectitio Divinitatus established the Emperor as a God and Emperor cults and saints were springing up all over the Expedition Fleets. They were the ones who created the God-Emperor with their energies of belief and worship, and the God-Emperor was more than willing to oblige. Once the Emperor was cast off from his body and only maintained the barest thread of existence in the Material World, he undoubtedly collided with the God-Emperor and was either a.)Absorbed by the more powerful "copy" of himself, or b.)The God-Emperor and he combined, with more of a dual personality coming on as the Emperor and the God-Emperor merged into one being of immense and unimaginably great power.



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 Melissia wrote:
Heh, tolerance and peace.

More like Tau Supremacy and oppression.

That is what I said, was it not? Greater Good is a lie.

Yes, but you acted like it was possible for that to coexist with "tolerance and peace"

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Earth Intruder wrote:
Silly, but does have a point If the Emperor had a Text-to-Speech Device

Just found this.

If I miss my X-Wing game tomorrow, I'm blaming you.

In all fairness, I'm laughing my balls off.


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 tyrannosaurus wrote:
The Emperor introduced the Imperial Creed in an effort to destroy Chaos. Worship, superstition related to, or fear, of the main focus of each god [disease, war, change/magic, excess] gave them power; denying them the worship took away their power. It's often discussed in the HH novels that the reason the chaos gods decided to take down the Emperor is because he was trying to destroy them completely through removing their source of power.

My take on it is that when he was interred in the Golden Throne he realised that the best he could hope for was a stalemate with the chaos gods, and he needed the power he gains from worship to maintain this stalemate.

That's kind of dumb. Humanity give them worship by just existing.

Tau victory is the best the 40k universe can hope for.

The only way the universe survives is by an Emperor/Eldar victory.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Earth Intruder wrote:
Silly, but does have a point If the Emperor had a Text-to-Speech Device

Just found this.

If I miss my X-Wing game tomorrow, I'm blaming you.

In all fairness, I'm laughing my balls off.


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 tyrannosaurus wrote:
The Emperor introduced the Imperial Creed in an effort to destroy Chaos. Worship, superstition related to, or fear, of the main focus of each god [disease, war, change/magic, excess] gave them power; denying them the worship took away their power. It's often discussed in the HH novels that the reason the chaos gods decided to take down the Emperor is because he was trying to destroy them completely through removing their source of power.

My take on it is that when he was interred in the Golden Throne he realised that the best he could hope for was a stalemate with the chaos gods, and he needed the power he gains from worship to maintain this stalemate.

That's kind of dumb. Humanity give them worship by just existing.

Tau victory is the best the 40k universe can hope for.

The only way the universe survives is by an Emperor/Eldar victory.

Please the universe would still exist even if the nids ate everything. its the only non bias way

 Desubot wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Earth Intruder wrote:
Silly, but does have a point If the Emperor had a Text-to-Speech Device

Just found this.

If I miss my X-Wing game tomorrow, I'm blaming you.

In all fairness, I'm laughing my balls off.


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 tyrannosaurus wrote:
The Emperor introduced the Imperial Creed in an effort to destroy Chaos. Worship, superstition related to, or fear, of the main focus of each god [disease, war, change/magic, excess] gave them power; denying them the worship took away their power. It's often discussed in the HH novels that the reason the chaos gods decided to take down the Emperor is because he was trying to destroy them completely through removing their source of power.

My take on it is that when he was interred in the Golden Throne he realised that the best he could hope for was a stalemate with the chaos gods, and he needed the power he gains from worship to maintain this stalemate.

That's kind of dumb. Humanity give them worship by just existing.

Tau victory is the best the 40k universe can hope for.

The only way the universe survives is by an Emperor/Eldar victory.

Please the universe would still exist even if the nids ate everything. its the only non bias way

If the Emperor is removed from the Golden Throne, Chaos consumes all. Which is what would happen were the Nids to assault Terra.

The only "good" ending in 40k is the result of the Imeprium and Eldar making a last ditch alliance and shedding all previous ills harbored by each other and create a new Warp God.

IF there are no other living species to give off emotions then there would be no chaos..


Chaoseption

 dusara217 wrote:
On the subject of the Emperor, here is what I have to say:
1.) The Emperor did his best to discourage, destroy, and defame any and all cults and religions he came across, but the need to worship is deeply ingrained into humanity, and not so easily discarded. It was not the Emperor's fault he became a God, and not his original plan, but more on that later.
2.) The Emperor would be disgusted with the current state of events in the IoM, due to the complete degradation of the Byzantine government he had created, the fact that he is worshipped, as well as the almost complete and utter corruption of the Imperium of Man as a whole (aside from the few planets who actually have stable and uncorrupt local governments)\
3.) The Emperor never intended to be worshipped as a God, but he had little or no power to stop his ascendancy when he first became one. When Horus struck him down in his fit of foolish compassion, it was all that he could do to keep from being devoured by daemons and the Chaos Gods; (He could probably do literally nothing in the physical world)let alone hold the Imperium together and maintain the Astronomicon. When wide-scale worship of him began and the Eclessiarchy was put into place and he ascended due to trillions of humans worshipping him and feeding him their energies, the Ruinous Powers were stronger than ever before, with Legions of Chaos Astartes as well as billions of new cultists on top of their previous power and their armies of Daemons. The Emperor spends the vast majority of his energy holding off 4 massively powerful Gods (4 gods against 1). Despite the Emperor's massive power, it was not his intention to become a God, and he might not have even known that he COULD become one. He just sees all of the good that he could do now as a God, and just does his best to hold off Chaos.
4.) The Lectitio Divinitatus established the Emperor as a God and Emperor cults and saints were springing up all over the Expedition Fleets. They were the ones who created the God-Emperor with their energies of belief and worship, and the God-Emperor was more than willing to oblige. Once the Emperor was cast off from his body and only maintained the barest thread of existence in the Material World, he undoubtedly collided with the God-Emperor and was either a.)Absorbed by the more powerful "copy" of himself, or b.)The God-Emperor and he combined, with more of a dual personality coming on as the Emperor and the God-Emperor merged into one being of immense and unimaginably great power.

Then why did he permit the cults of Terra prior to his ascendancy? This was years before the Heresy, and there were millions of people on Terra worshipping him.

The Emperor was not some liberal democrat. Most of the governments he placed over the worlds he conquered were corrupt. We saw this most clearly with both Nuceria and Nostramo after he removed the two Primarchs he had found on those worlds to join the Great Crusade. In Nuceria's case, he left the nobles, the very ones Angron had been warring against, in power, and in Nostramo's case, the corrupt nobles that Curze had once cowed into submission did not take long to get back into their old habits. After all, an Empire is not a place where the law is applied equally. It's a despotic state (the best you can hope for is an enlightened version).

Speaking of the Night Lords, it is mentioned in IA2 that the Night Lords had become so feared throughout the galaxy that any word of their approach would "cause a system to pay all outstanding tithes, cease all illegal activities and put to death any mutants and suspected heretics." Heretics to what? What are these supposed-heretics doing or not doing that leads them to be called heretics?

Though the Ecclesiarchy did not exist until after the Heresy, its seeds were planted during the Emperor's life.

 Desubot wrote:
IF there are no other living species to give off emotions then there would be no chaos..


Chaoseption

1) Chaos already has a population of humans living in the Warp to feed/entertain themselves.

2) The Immaterium has access to other universes and thus Chaos has entire dimensions of life elsewhere to feed off.

3) Chaos ignores causality. The Chaos Gods exist in a Schrodinger state of existence and thus are conceptual. If they need to feed, they can feed on populations in the past.

Also, the Warp consuming the universe doesn't instantly kill all life, it just turns the entire universe into one giant Eye of Terror. Humanity would likely be enslaved or just live in the fractured state they were in prior with Chaos Astartes lording over them as feudal lords, many ending up as toys for Daemons. However, Eldar and Necrons would probably die right then and there instantly while Orks pursue their new existence in Valhalla. No idea how the Tyranids would react to being submerged entirely in the warp.


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 Psienesis wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:
On the subject of the Emperor, here is what I have to say:
1.) The Emperor did his best to discourage, destroy, and defame any and all cults and religions he came across, but the need to worship is deeply ingrained into humanity, and not so easily discarded. It was not the Emperor's fault he became a God, and not his original plan, but more on that later.
2.) The Emperor would be disgusted with the current state of events in the IoM, due to the complete degradation of the Byzantine government he had created, the fact that he is worshipped, as well as the almost complete and utter corruption of the Imperium of Man as a whole (aside from the few planets who actually have stable and uncorrupt local governments)\
3.) The Emperor never intended to be worshipped as a God, but he had little or no power to stop his ascendancy when he first became one. When Horus struck him down in his fit of foolish compassion, it was all that he could do to keep from being devoured by daemons and the Chaos Gods; (He could probably do literally nothing in the physical world)let alone hold the Imperium together and maintain the Astronomicon. When wide-scale worship of him began and the Eclessiarchy was put into place and he ascended due to trillions of humans worshipping him and feeding him their energies, the Ruinous Powers were stronger than ever before, with Legions of Chaos Astartes as well as billions of new cultists on top of their previous power and their armies of Daemons. The Emperor spends the vast majority of his energy holding off 4 massively powerful Gods (4 gods against 1). Despite the Emperor's massive power, it was not his intention to become a God, and he might not have even known that he COULD become one. He just sees all of the good that he could do now as a God, and just does his best to hold off Chaos.
4.) The Lectitio Divinitatus established the Emperor as a God and Emperor cults and saints were springing up all over the Expedition Fleets. They were the ones who created the God-Emperor with their energies of belief and worship, and the God-Emperor was more than willing to oblige. Once the Emperor was cast off from his body and only maintained the barest thread of existence in the Material World, he undoubtedly collided with the God-Emperor and was either a.)Absorbed by the more powerful "copy" of himself, or b.)The God-Emperor and he combined, with more of a dual personality coming on as the Emperor and the God-Emperor merged into one being of immense and unimaginably great power.

Then why did he permit the cults of Terra prior to his ascendancy? This was years before the Heresy, and there were millions of people on Terra worshipping him.

The Emperor was not some liberal democrat. Most of the governments he placed over the worlds he conquered were corrupt. We saw this most clearly with both Nuceria and Nostramo after he removed the two Primarchs he had found on those worlds to join the Great Crusade. In Nuceria's case, he left the nobles, the very ones Angron had been warring against, in power, and in Nostramo's case, the corrupt nobles that Curze had once cowed into submission did not take long to get back into their old habits. After all, an Empire is not a place where the law is applied equally. It's a despotic state (the best you can hope for is an enlightened version).

Speaking of the Night Lords, it is mentioned in IA2 that the Night Lords had become so feared throughout the galaxy that any word of their approach would "cause a system to pay all outstanding tithes, cease all illegal activities and put to death any mutants and suspected heretics." Heretics to what? What are these supposed-heretics doing or not doing that leads them to be called heretics?

Though the Ecclesiarchy did not exist until after the Heresy, its seeds were planted during the Emperor's life.

It also makes sense given that the Emperor had to know (unless he was living in self denial) that after poking Chaos at some point around the creation of the Primarchs which caused Chaos (which had previously been pretty damn peaceful actually so long as you weren't Eldar) to pitch a fit and initiate the Horus Heresy. If he was a seer worth his salt he should have been well aware of his inevitable state and thus planting seeds everywhere he went as either a protector of mankind, or even as a warp god.

Also, the Emperor is just like every other idealist dictator in history, as seen in the Last Church. The Emperor is certain that of course he will succeed when all others failed, he will erect the perfect civilization, and that he will be the greatest ruler of human history. And that he isn't flawed.

Honestly, GW really fethed upo the lore with the Horus Heresy. They should have commissioned writers who could actually do a good, semi-realistic portrayal of it.


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Also,I was just giving my view of the Emperor, and since the Lore is so convoluted and fethed up, there is no way for us to prove our personal views of the Big E. After all, there is no canon in 40k.

While the lack of canon is true, we're provided with glimpses of a concept that is, to some degree or another, shared across the playerbase.

That current glimpse is of some Uber-Atheist bringing his Legions of Scientific Reason against The Old Bad Religions to usher in a time of peace, prosperity and academic enlightenment...

... all supposed to be enacted by a guy who makes Genghis Khan look like a chump while also being Space-Merlin. Which really doesn't make any sense, and also doesn't tie into the dark satire that 40K is known for.

It's a far more biting joke, I think, that the guy who was supposedly (and publically) all about getting rid of religion and gods was, in actuality, paving the way for his own elevation to god-hood. After all, the only thing worse than being a god is *not* being a god.

 Desubot wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

 EmpNortonII wrote:

 Earth Intruder wrote:
Silly, but does have a point If the Emperor had a Text-to-Speech Device

Just found this.

If I miss my X-Wing game tomorrow, I'm blaming you.

In all fairness, I'm laughing my balls off.


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 tyrannosaurus wrote:
The Emperor introduced the Imperial Creed in an effort to destroy Chaos. Worship, superstition related to, or fear, of the main focus of each god [disease, war, change/magic, excess] gave them power; denying them the worship took away their power. It's often discussed in the HH novels that the reason the chaos gods decided to take down the Emperor is because he was trying to destroy them completely through removing their source of power.

My take on it is that when he was interred in the Golden Throne he realised that the best he could hope for was a stalemate with the chaos gods, and he needed the power he gains from worship to maintain this stalemate.

That's kind of dumb. Humanity give them worship by just existing.

Tau victory is the best the 40k universe can hope for.

The only way the universe survives is by an Emperor/Eldar victory.

Please the universe would still exist even if the nids ate everything. its the only non bias way

I mean if we're gonna play that card, then the universe exists no matter who takes charge

 Psienesis wrote:
While the lack of canon is true, we're provided with glimpses of a concept that is, to some degree or another, shared across the playerbase.

That current glimpse is of some Uber-Atheist bringing his Legions of Scientific Reason against The Old Bad Religions to usher in a time of peace, prosperity and academic enlightenment...

... all supposed to be enacted by a guy who makes Genghis Khan look like a chump while also being Space-Merlin. Which really doesn't make any sense, and also doesn't tie into the dark satire that 40K is known for.

It's a far more biting joke, I think, that the guy who was supposedly (and publically) all about getting rid of religion and gods was, in actuality, paving the way for his own elevation to god-hood. After all, the only thing worse than being a god is *not* being a god.

Under Genghis Khan actually, there was great prosperity- it just sucked if you were the people that didn't surrender.

And there's plenty of prosperity in the Imperium... if you're not the people that Don't Matter. Or Xeno.

Or a heretic. Or a mutant. Or abhuman. Or slightly funny-looking. Or a dissident. Or remotely concerned about human rights (which are HERESY, so maybe I'm repeating myself). Or in the way of an Inquisitor/Confessor/Guard commander/Astartes on a mission. Or in the wrong place at the wrong time. Or....

 SisterSydney wrote:
Or a heretic. Or a mutant. Or abhuman. Or slightly funny-looking. Or a dissident. Or remotely concerned about human rights (which are HERESY, so maybe I'm repeating myself). Or in the way of an Inquisitor/Confessor/Guard commander/Astartes on a mission. Or in the wrong place at the wrong time. Or....

Actually the Imperium on a whole doesn't seem to target abhumans much. Pelagers especially don't seem to be persecuted at all and are relatively common on Ocean Worlds, although they probably look exactly like humans. It's just when you get into beastmen territory or have extra digits and limbs that the Imperium takes offense.

It actually varies by planet. On some worlds, there's no issue. Other worlds will not permit an abhuman of any stripe to set foot on them on pain of death.

Please note that I did not include Sisters of Battle in my list of Imperial agents one might run afoul of. This is intentional. The Sisters of Battle take utmost care for the well-being of the Emperor's faithful subjects.

It is not unknown for an Adepta Sororitas operation to send civilians to their heavenly reward in an unplanned and expeditious manner, which is known as "collateral salvation," but this is spiritually beneficial to the civilians so affected. Civilians inadvertently killed in a Sororitas operation who do not immediately ascend to the side of the God-Emperor, of course, are people we needed to get around to killing deliberately anyway.

(Portions of this post have been reproduced from Saint Amalric's Catechism for Ecclesiarchal Public Affairs Personnel)

 SisterSydney wrote:
Or a heretic. Or a mutant. Or abhuman. Or slightly funny-looking. Or a dissident. Or remotely concerned about human rights (which are HERESY, so maybe I'm repeating myself). Or in the way of an Inquisitor/Confessor/Guard commander/Astartes on a mission. Or in the wrong place at the wrong time. Or....

So...basically, no significant changes for the last 38k years.

 Psienesis wrote:
It actually varies by planet. On some worlds, there's no issue. Other worlds will not permit an abhuman of any stripe to set foot on them on pain of death.

Well Pelagers only exist on Ocean worlds as they were probably genetically engineered colonists in the DAOT to be able to thrive in their respective environment, and I can't recall any ocean world purging them. Of course, most Ocean Worlds probably have a very large population of pelagers and are feral.

 Psienesis wrote:
While the lack of canon is true, we're provided with glimpses of a concept that is, to some degree or another, shared across the playerbase.

That current glimpse is of some Uber-Atheist bringing his Legions of Scientific Reason against The Old Bad Religions to usher in a time of peace, prosperity and academic enlightenment...

... all supposed to be enacted by a guy who makes Genghis Khan look like a chump while also being Space-Merlin. Which really doesn't make any sense, and also doesn't tie into the dark satire that 40K is known for.

It's a far more biting joke, I think, that the guy who was supposedly (and publically) all about getting rid of religion and gods was, in actuality, paving the way for his own elevation to god-hood. After all, the only thing worse than being a god is *not* being a god.

It was never proved that the Emperor was originally planning to ascend to godhood.
Also, nothing in 40k makes sense. For instance, an empire of SPACE ELVES ruled the galaxy for SIXTY MILLION YEARS. Technology be damned, they would have been defeated in less than two thousand years. Another thing, a corrupt, unreliable empire led by corrupt,u reliable, downright stupid leaders somehow manages to survive for TEN THOUSAND YEARS. That's longer than some people think homo sapiens have existed in their modern form.

 dusara217 wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
While the lack of canon is true, we're provided with glimpses of a concept that is, to some degree or another, shared across the playerbase.

That current glimpse is of some Uber-Atheist bringing his Legions of Scientific Reason against The Old Bad Religions to usher in a time of peace, prosperity and academic enlightenment...

... all supposed to be enacted by a guy who makes Genghis Khan look like a chump while also being Space-Merlin. Which really doesn't make any sense, and also doesn't tie into the dark satire that 40K is known for.

It's a far more biting joke, I think, that the guy who was supposedly (and publically) all about getting rid of religion and gods was, in actuality, paving the way for his own elevation to god-hood. After all, the only thing worse than being a god is *not* being a god.

It was never proved that the Emperor was originally planning to ascend to godhood.
Also, nothing in 40k makes sense. For instance, an empire of SPACE ELVES ruled the galaxy for SIXTY MILLION YEARS. Technology be damned, they would have been defeated in less than two thousand years. Another thing, a corrupt, unreliable empire led by corrupt,u reliable, downright stupid leaders somehow manages to survive for TEN THOUSAND YEARS. That's longer than some people think homo sapiens have existed in their modern form.

Nothing could contend with the Eldar Empire. for one, if the account of the daemon was correct in that one Horus Heresy book, there was a hysterical tredecillion Eldar at the height of their empire. That's more Eldar then there are atoms in the universe. Were they to all leave the webway in such number, they would create a black hole from shear mass that could potentially destroy the entire universe. On top of that, prior to Slaanesh the Eldar were all capable of time travel, had conceptual weapons, and were the undisputed masters of the warp. They also had unrestricted access to the warp so they were an entire species made up of what power-wise would probably be Delta or greater level psykers, with no inhibitions about spamming their powers constantly to put you into the grave.

Mind you, the only force that could arbuably contend with them at the time, DAOT humanity, was likely not unified under a single banner, and it appears their basic ship-to-ship weapons were black hole guns.

 dusara217 wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
While the lack of canon is true, we're provided with glimpses of a concept that is, to some degree or another, shared across the playerbase.

That current glimpse is of some Uber-Atheist bringing his Legions of Scientific Reason against The Old Bad Religions to usher in a time of peace, prosperity and academic enlightenment...

... all supposed to be enacted by a guy who makes Genghis Khan look like a chump while also being Space-Merlin. Which really doesn't make any sense, and also doesn't tie into the dark satire that 40K is known for.

It's a far more biting joke, I think, that the guy who was supposedly (and publically) all about getting rid of religion and gods was, in actuality, paving the way for his own elevation to god-hood. After all, the only thing worse than being a god is *not* being a god.

It was never proved that the Emperor was originally planning to ascend to godhood.
Also, nothing in 40k makes sense. For instance, an empire of SPACE ELVES ruled the galaxy for SIXTY MILLION YEARS. Technology be damned, they would have been defeated in less than two thousand years. Another thing, a corrupt, unreliable empire led by corrupt,u reliable, downright stupid leaders somehow manages to survive for TEN THOUSAND YEARS. That's longer than some people think homo sapiens have existed in their modern form.

As Wyzilla pointed out, nothing really challenged the Eldar for most of those 60million years. Sure, there were occasional wars with the Orks, but the Orks were never a united species in that time to seriously threaten the Eldar. Given what we know of the capabilities of the Eldar pre-Fall, I am not sure where you're getting the idea that they would have been defeated in only 2,000 years. Mankind, in DAOT, got close to the Eldar in technological achievements... but did not have the psychic abilities of the Eldar (and still don't, and have further backslid to a near-21st century tech level, on average, with some planets sliding back to the Iron Age, if not even more debased.).

 Psienesis wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
While the lack of canon is true, we're provided with glimpses of a concept that is, to some degree or another, shared across the playerbase.

That current glimpse is of some Uber-Atheist bringing his Legions of Scientific Reason against The Old Bad Religions to usher in a time of peace, prosperity and academic enlightenment...

... all supposed to be enacted by a guy who makes Genghis Khan look like a chump while also being Space-Merlin. Which really doesn't make any sense, and also doesn't tie into the dark satire that 40K is known for.

It's a far more biting joke, I think, that the guy who was supposedly (and publically) all about getting rid of religion and gods was, in actuality, paving the way for his own elevation to god-hood. After all, the only thing worse than being a god is *not* being a god.

It was never proved that the Emperor was originally planning to ascend to godhood.
Also, nothing in 40k makes sense. For instance, an empire of SPACE ELVES ruled the galaxy for SIXTY MILLION YEARS. Technology be damned, they would have been defeated in less than two thousand years. Another thing, a corrupt, unreliable empire led by corrupt,u reliable, downright stupid leaders somehow manages to survive for TEN THOUSAND YEARS. That's longer than some people think homo sapiens have existed in their modern form.

As Wyzilla pointed out, nothing really challenged the Eldar for most of those 60million years. Sure, there were occasional wars with the Orks, but the Orks were never a united species in that time to seriously threaten the Eldar. Given what we know of the capabilities of the Eldar pre-Fall, I am not sure where you're getting the idea that they would have been defeated in only 2,000 years. Mankind, in DAOT, got close to the Eldar in technological achievements... but did not have the psychic abilities of the Eldar (and still don't, and have further backslid to a near-21st century tech level, on average, with some planets sliding back to the Iron Age, if not even more debased.).

I wouldn't say that. Just because something is classified as a Feudal World or Feral World doesn't mean they lack tech. Remember, Caliban was classified as a Feudal Deathworld yet they had basic power armor to arm their "knights' with and bolters.

The fact of the matter is, no empire would last that long, no matter how powerful. Just look at Rome; internal corruption and avarice claimed it within a thousand years, and it was the most organized and militarized empire in human history (Sparta doesn't count as an empire, and Persia doesn't count as organized since its army was mostly a horde of slave-soldiers with little or no training and the Khanate of the Golden Horde fell rather swiftly as did Alexander's Empire). The Eldar Empire would have fallen within 2000 years because of internal corruption, infighting amongst its leaders, etc. etc. All it would have taken was some barbarian orc WAAGHH!!! to come crashing through the Eldar Empire in the midst of a Civil War, and they would be fractured and heavily weakened. Also, another powerful nation/empire would have arisen within that 60 million years. In that time span, gods could rise and fall, an entire species of spacefarers could evolve and go ecxtinct. It is simply entirely unrealistic for an empire that prosperous to survive for 60 million years.

Also, are you saying that the Eldar have lost almost all of their tech?

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
It actually varies by planet. On some worlds, there's no issue. Other worlds will not permit an abhuman of any stripe to set foot on them on pain of death.

Well Pelagers only exist on Ocean worlds as they were probably genetically engineered colonists in the DAOT to be able to thrive in their respective environment, and I can't recall any ocean world purging them. Of course, most Ocean Worlds probably have a very large population of pelagers and are feral.

On a world to which they are native, you're right, they're probably accepted.

On a world on which they are not? Then it's anyone's guess.

I wouldn't say that. Just because something is classified as a Feudal World or Feral World doesn't mean they lack tech. Remember, Caliban was classified as a Feudal Deathworld yet they had basic power armor to arm their "knights' with and bolters.

But Caliban is only 1 out of an unknown number of Feudal worlds, which don't have bolter tech. Or even blackpowder tech. A Feral World most certainly lacks tech. While the savage barbarians who live on it might be in possession of relics from a bygone era that would be "Imperial Standard", these people don't build it themselves or understand it at all.

Fenris, for example, is such a world. Remove all of the Space Wolves, and the infrastructure that supports the Space Wolves, and we have Iron Age Vikings.

The Emperor is said to be horrified at the state of the Imperium, but unable to do anything about it.

An eternal curse from his son Horus and a very grimdark element to the setting.

Who says this where?