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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So do the plastic Skitarii in your imagination look better than the plastic SoBs in your imagination?

Considering that I've been playing for almost 20 years. The last time we had 40k rules was second ed and figures not including Enginseers and Servitors first ed.

It's highly doubtful. Though I kind of doubt a Harlequin codex also.

If I was a betting man my money would be on no AM figures. But some way of giving marines more yes.

As much as I want Skitarri in 40k, I'd be disappointed if SoB don't get their update before them and I don't play SoB

Adeptus Mechanicus Rumors - Jan 2015
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Ive seen the model so I thought I would chime in and describe the Dunecrawler. Sorry no pictures, it was not possible.

Its a walker with 4 armoured mechanical spider legs. The crew compartment is large metal box angled in the front. There is a small robotic arm in the front with tools and drills on the appendage. The visor for the drivers inside is a slit with optical lenses on the the left hand side of the opening. The Eradication Beamer is big, and looks like a giant conversion beamer, up top there is a gunner with a heavy stubber. I don't know the optional guns, but there are a couple. One that looks like a long barreled autocannon, but has some sort of array attached to it. None of the weapon options look like standard Imperial Weapons.

I also wanted to mention, that this is a Games Workshop release, not Forgeworld.

 Fayric wrote:

Right, making up your own rumors to hijack this thread.
Its actually a good thing, this thread should be locked already.

I don't understand what you mean by 'hijack' since my post was on topic for the thread or what you mean by making it up for that matter; I've been a member of Dakka Dakka for over five years and this is the very first time I have information to share about a rumour but you just jump strait to the conclusion that I made the whole thing up

To reiterate, I bought three novels and, pointing at the cover of Gods of Mars the blackshirt asked if I had heard the rumours, which was a sort of follow up to him asking me if I played the game. Seemed like a sales pitch for an upcoming release, nothing more than that.

 pretre wrote:
Adeptus Mechanicus Rumors - Jan 2015
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Ive seen the model so I thought I would chime in and describe the Dunecrawler. Sorry no pictures, it was not possible.

Its a walker with 4 armoured mechanical spider legs. The crew compartment is large metal box angled in the front. There is a small robotic arm in the front with tools and drills on the appendage. The visor for the drivers inside is a slit with optical lenses on the the left hand side of the opening. The Eradication Beamer is big, and looks like a giant conversion beamer, up top there is a gunner with a heavy stubber. I don't know the optional guns, but there are a couple. One that looks like a long barreled autocannon, but has some sort of array attached to it. None of the weapon options look like standard Imperial Weapons.

I also wanted to mention, that this is a Games Workshop release, not Forgeworld.

If this is real, it sounds horrendous. But, I look forward to the inevitable conversion where someone models Kenneth Branagh as the driver.

Might be worth going through Horus Heresy: Collected Visions looking for four legged walkers...

T

 pretre wrote:
Adeptus Mechanicus Rumors - Jan 2015
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Ive seen the model so I thought I would chime in and describe the Dunecrawler. Sorry no pictures, it was not possible.

Its a walker with 4 armoured mechanical spider legs. The crew compartment is large metal box angled in the front. There is a small robotic arm in the front with tools and drills on the appendage. The visor for the drivers inside is a slit with optical lenses on the the left hand side of the opening. The Eradication Beamer is big, and looks like a giant conversion beamer, up top there is a gunner with a heavy stubber. I don't know the optional guns, but there are a couple. One that looks like a long barreled autocannon, but has some sort of array attached to it. None of the weapon options look like standard Imperial Weapons.

I also wanted to mention, that this is a Games Workshop release, not Forgeworld.

I read this yesterday, it just makes me feel that it's either confused with a conversion from a necron model. Or it's just untrue.

In part that sounds fake just because of how silly even the internal logic would be. A "Dune" Crawler presumably is built for transport on desert terrain.... Spider-legs would be the opposite to a tread, design sensibility.

Not saying I expect logic to rule the game, but this just has an extra layer of "stupid" which I can't get beyond.

Well they probably do have something to navigate the martian dunes

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
In part that sounds fake just because of how silly even the internal logic would be. A "Dune" Crawler presumably is built for transport on desert terrain.... Spider-legs would be the opposite to a tread, design sensibility.

Not saying I expect logic to rule the game, but this just has an extra layer of "stupid" which I can't get beyond.

I imagine it's because it looks cool and from a background point of view is for navigating the Martian dunes and ruins

It certainly has that tinge of retro 50's sci-fi that GW likes to characterize the Mechanicum with. Is it also a David Bowie allusion?-They should just call them the "spiders from Mars"

I think we will all be very excited then massively disappointed because matt ward will do the codex or some other cock up.

 e.earnshaw wrote:
I think we will all be very excited then massively disappointed because matt ward will do the codex or some other cock up.

>tfw you know that Matt Ward isn't even a part of the GW writing team anymore, and hasn't been for like a year

I still feel skeptical about this release. Both the harlequin and skitarii rumors feel like wishlisting pilled on top of other wishlisting. The walker's description in particular sounds strange, almost like it was concocted of a number of buzz words (i.e. dune crawler, spider legs, other generic AM concepts). However, I could be wrong.

I feel like AM are a hard concept to get down right without just dumping a lot of bionics and other weird things on top. FW has done the best job so far with their robots, but I feel that the tanks are a silly combination of WWI + gears + retrofuturistic guns. GW might be able to get the concept right (as they did with the Knight), but I am not particularly confident.

Its also possible this is a controlled leak to see where people are getting stuff from.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Adeptus Mechanicus Rumors - Jan 2015
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
Ive seen the model so I thought I would chime in and describe the Dunecrawler. Sorry no pictures, it was not possible.

Its a walker with 4 armoured mechanical spider legs. The crew compartment is large metal box angled in the front. There is a small robotic arm in the front with tools and drills on the appendage. The visor for the drivers inside is a slit with optical lenses on the the left hand side of the opening. The Eradication Beamer is big, and looks like a giant conversion beamer, up top there is a gunner with a heavy stubber. I don't know the optional guns, but there are a couple. One that looks like a long barreled autocannon, but has some sort of array attached to it. None of the weapon options look like standard Imperial Weapons.

I also wanted to mention, that this is a Games Workshop release, not Forgeworld.

If this is real, it sounds horrendous. But, I look forward to the inevitable conversion where someone models Kenneth Branagh as the driver.

You actually made me laugh out loud, .

Forgeworld did specify that skitarii were not something that they would be doing (at least for a long time), and the rumours have been very 'skitarii specific'.
I can definitely see them doing this, especially with the scion dex being released last year, and that only had 5 units. A small release of something that has proven to be popular (forgeworld mechanicum) seems like what GW would look at, with 40k being their main seller, and nearly all the codexes in hardback now.

I think this is the typical case of "rumor starts, has some validity, then 50 other wannabe rumor mongers want to jump onto it".

Skitarii as a minor attachment-only codex would be an easy one like Tempestus and a smart choice by GW. Regardless of people whining about other army choices that should be first, if Harlequin and Skitarii end up true I'll personally be very happy.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
In part that sounds fake just because of how silly even the internal logic would be. A "Dune" Crawler presumably is built for transport on desert terrain.... Spider-legs would be the opposite to a tread, design sensibility.

Not saying I expect logic to rule the game, but this just has an extra layer of "stupid" which I can't get beyond.

The airplanes have all the aerodynamics of a brick, doors are located right in front of weapon-sponsoons, exhaust pipes are right in front of vision slits/air intakes and you wonder that they'd choose legs instead of treads for desert terrain? Clearly, you have no understanding of the workings of the omnissiah!

 Kosake wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
In part that sounds fake just because of how silly even the internal logic would be. A "Dune" Crawler presumably is built for transport on desert terrain.... Spider-legs would be the opposite to a tread, design sensibility.

Not saying I expect logic to rule the game, but this just has an extra layer of "stupid" which I can't get beyond.

The airplanes have all the aerodynamics of a brick, doors are located right in front of weapon-sponsoons, exhaust pipes are right in front of vision slits/air intakes and you wonder that they'd choose legs instead of treads for desert terrain? Clearly, you have no understanding of the workings of the omnissiah!

Are you doubting the holy machine?

migooo wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
In part that sounds fake just because of how silly even the internal logic would be. A "Dune" Crawler presumably is built for transport on desert terrain.... Spider-legs would be the opposite to a tread, design sensibility.

Not saying I expect logic to rule the game, but this just has an extra layer of "stupid" which I can't get beyond.

The airplanes have all the aerodynamics of a brick, doors are located right in front of weapon-sponsoons, exhaust pipes are right in front of vision slits/air intakes and you wonder that they'd choose legs instead of treads for desert terrain? Clearly, you have no understanding of the workings of the omnissiah!

Are you doubting the holy machine?

I doubt any mechanic who spends more time praying than studying technical instructions... but I guess that'd be the whole flavour of this faction, if they make it.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
As much as I would love a GW AdMech force, I doubt it will be as different, fun, and interesting as the 30K Mechanicum from FW, so I'll probably just stick with that.

I'm with you on this. If GW plastic gets it's hands on ad mech they would destroy them. I'm looking forward to some gritty skitarii models from FW.

migooo wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
In part that sounds fake just because of how silly even the internal logic would be. A "Dune" Crawler presumably is built for transport on desert terrain.... Spider-legs would be the opposite to a tread, design sensibility.

Not saying I expect logic to rule the game, but this just has an extra layer of "stupid" which I can't get beyond.

The airplanes have all the aerodynamics of a brick, doors are located right in front of weapon-sponsoons, exhaust pipes are right in front of vision slits/air intakes and you wonder that they'd choose legs instead of treads for desert terrain? Clearly, you have no understanding of the workings of the omnissiah!

Are you doubting the holy machine?

Actually, Heir of the Void had an awesome rationalization explanation for how Imperium vehicles can fly (with a little help from me).

Heir of the Void wrote:My personal theory about how these flyers work is that they all project a weak energy field ahead of them, in a cone or other nice aerodynamic shape, and let that contact the atmosphere, instead of the flying potato that is the main body of the aircraft. That makes it make slightly more sense.....

SisterSydney wrote:Holy feth, what if Imperial aircraft all use an energy field around the hull to supercavitate? That would be AWESOME....

Heir of the Void wrote:Holy Feth, That's AMAZING! Suddenly everything makes sense.

To extend this theory, the energy field used to allow the vehicle to Supercavitate functions as a Lifting Body, so it generated the lift rather than the stubby and questionably designed wings. This then connects to the poorly designed wings, which actually serve to extend the lifting body supercavitation buble rather than actually generate lift on their own.

For those of you who don't know, cavitation is the formation of short-lived bubbles of steam behind a body moving in water, or low-pressure zones behind a body moving in air. Supercavitation is the formation of long-lived or at least stable, low-pressure zones behind a moving body. Because the Supercavitating body is in contact with fewer molecules of atmosphere/water, the friction it experiences is reduced, allowing for vastly higher speeds, like two to three hundred knots underwater.

Its pretty Fething cool.

Click here for original posts if you want to read them in context for some strange reason.

Huh... that's actually really cool.

sadly the super-cavitation effect only works if the steam produced can flow efficiently and evenly all over the structure to the rear; any unevenness in that and the hull gets subjected to the surface tension of water at whatever speed its traveling at which i think would induce some "catastrophic existence failure"
sometime last year i think a Chinese scientist worked out how to steer a super-cavitating vehicle but i don't remember too much about it apart from 'steering fins' being out of the question because of the stresses involved.
i also seem to remember someone mentioning that the best shape was basically a coke bottle and there might be rights issues over the shape but there was doubt because its a vehicle not a 'food' container.

the US air force did look at firing laser beams and microwaves ahead of aircraft to induce a similar effect for a plane but i didn't hear much more about it; so it was either fitted to the B2 'spirit' and is classified or it didn't work at all and is now kept quiet as a way of convincing their perceived enemies to spend resources and effort to find out that it didn't work for themselves.

you gotta love the CIA. they find out the truth. so they know how to muddy the water properly. :]


and then water-board you with it. XD

SirDonlad wrote:
sadly the super-cavitation effect only works if the steam produced can flow efficiently and evenly all over the structure to the rear; any unevenness in that and the hull gets subjected to the surface tension of water at whatever speed its traveling at which i think would induce some "catastrophic existence failure"...

Aha, we've got handwavium for that: What look like wings on Imperial aircraft are actually force field generators, which project a beautifully smooth & aerodynamic bubble all around the hull. (Heir of the Void's idea). It's this forcefield that supercavitates; the hull isn't in contact with moving air at all.

Well darnok, over at warseer, has said that theyll come in february/march. Though, i must admit im starting to suspect hes getting trolled, with all the crazy rumours hes spewing recently ( harlequin, end of warhammer in its current form)

 streetsamurai wrote:
Well darnok, over at warseer, has said that theyll come in february/march. Though, i must admit im starting to suspect hes getting trolled, with all the crazy rumours hes spewing recently ( harlequin, end of warhammer in its current form)

The Warhammer thing I don't doubt for a moment. It has Kirbys stink all over it.

 SisterSydney wrote:

SirDonlad wrote:
sadly the super-cavitation effect only works if the steam produced can flow efficiently and evenly all over the structure to the rear; any unevenness in that and the hull gets subjected to the surface tension of water at whatever speed its traveling at which i think would induce some "catastrophic existence failure"...

Aha, we've got handwavium for that: What look like wings on Imperial aircraft are actually force field generators, which project a beautifully smooth & aerodynamic bubble all around the hull. (Heir of the Void's idea). It's this forcefield that supercavitates; the hull isn't in contact with moving air at all.

Supercavitating forcefields? That does not explain design features such as the guns pointing at the doors and exhaust pipes pointing at the windows/air intakes. Neither does it add up well with such highly advanced features as christie suspension on the tanks or the tons of exposed joints, gear, power sources on almost all vehicles.

A vehicle's guns point at its own doors because, ever since 30K, the Imperium's main concern has been treason, rather than external foes? Maybe?

 Kosake wrote:

Supercavitating forcefields? That does not explain design features such as the guns pointing at the doors and exhaust pipes pointing at the windows/air intakes. Neither does it add up well with such highly advanced features as christie suspension on the tanks or the tons of exposed joints, gear, power sources on almost all vehicles.

okay, im up for a challenge, but not re-writing physics to include the fourth wall!

as a mechanicum tech-adept (Ordo Reductor FTW!) i've always considered carrying imperium troops in my moving testament to the glory of the omnissiah a necessary evil - it's easier to make a robot to keep my landraiders clean than it is to make a billion robots to rid my forge of organic matter for good and keep it that way. (the guns are a reminder to wipe their feet BEFORE getting in) :]

if the people i'm taking on-board are so weak that they need such trivialities as 'oxygen' they should be glad to asphyxiate in such an honorable vehicle!