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 SisterSydney wrote:
A vehicle's guns point at its own doors because, ever since 30K, the Imperium's main concern has been treason, rather than external foes? Maybe?

I would love that to be the actual reason.

SirDonlad wrote:
as a mechanicum tech-adept (Ordo Reductor FTW!) i've always considered carrying imperium troops in my moving testament to the glory of the omnissiah a necessary evil - it's easier to make a robot to keep my landraiders clean than it is to make a billion robots to rid my forge of organic matter for good and keep it that way. (the guns are a reminder to wipe their feet BEFORE getting in) :] if the people i'm taking on-board are so weak that they need such trivialities as 'oxygen' they should be glad to asphyxiate in such an honorable vehicle!

SISTER RAVEN: Typical Mechanicum arrogance.
SISTER KORIANDER: Yeah, it's like they think we're all a bunch of ignorant technophobes.
SISTER RAVEN: I don't trust anything they...
RAVEN'S COMPUTER: You've. Got. Mail!
KORIANDER & RAVEN: Aaaaaaaaah!
SISTER KORIANDER: It spoke! The machine spoke!
SISTER RAVEN: Tech-heresy!
SISTER KORIANDER: Abominable Intelligence!
KORIANDER & RAVEN: Purge it with fire!

[Later, at the Adeptus Mechanicum support desk]
TECH-ADEPT: You. Need. A. New. Workstation. AGAIN?

 SisterSydney wrote:
A vehicle's guns point at its own doors because, ever since 30K, the Imperium's main concern has been treason, rather than external foes? Maybe?

And the gakky suspension is there to not make em too comfortable in there so they get out and fight for the emprah! faster..?

 Kosake wrote:

And the gakky suspension is there to not make em too comfortable in there so they get out and fight for the emprah! faster..?

yeah, the LR requires a few 'miracle exceptions'.

the 30k universe does provide a bunch of faux-tech though - imagine if we had 'grav-suspensor units' for real?
anything heavy would be bristling with them!

Ahhhh, I remember when suspensors were standard 40K tech and enabled Guardsmen and Marines alike to carry Lascannons effortlessly.

Yeah... I mount my LR sponsons at the front. Ain't no corruption in the Dark Angels.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Translation This is not the heresy your'e looking for

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Ain't no corruption in the Dark Angels.

not trying to diss your fluff, but this made me chuckle.. :]

 SisterSydney wrote:
A vehicle's guns point at its own doors because, ever since 30K, the Imperium's main concern has been treason, rather than external foes? Maybe

I'd guess a lot of the poor vehicle design elements are a consequence of the heroic 28mm scale; consider how bulky and disproportionate a marine and his weapon are, the vehicles are equally as distorted. A more properly scaled 40k vehicle many of the elements like guns would be smaller and less obtrusive. With modern helicopters and tanks it's possible to point guns into the vehicle or near the hatches.

 Kosake wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
In part that sounds fake just because of how silly even the internal logic would be. A "Dune" Crawler presumably is built for transport on desert terrain.... Spider-legs would be the opposite to a tread, design sensibility.

Not saying I expect logic to rule the game, but this just has an extra layer of "stupid" which I can't get beyond.

The airplanes have all the aerodynamics of a brick, doors are located right in front of weapon-sponsoons, exhaust pipes are right in front of vision slits/air intakes and you wonder that they'd choose legs instead of treads for desert terrain? Clearly, you have no understanding of the workings of the omnissiah!

I've always found it odd that the Imperium has the tech to make producing trillions of lasgun cell batteries that are compact enough to fit inside conventional size magazines and powerful enough to project beams of coherent light hundreds of meters with enough strength to penetrate a human torso and do so dozens of times before running out of power and be able to be recharged numerous times during their useful lifespan but then uses giant clunky combustion engines for all their vehicles. They can even scale up the batteries to power lascannons while still being small enough to be man portable. The nigh magical level of battery technological is considered commonplace but yet is never fully utilized to its utmost potential.

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
In part that sounds fake just because of how silly even the internal logic would be. A "Dune" Crawler presumably is built for transport on desert terrain.... Spider-legs would be the opposite to a tread, design sensibility.

Not saying I expect logic to rule the game, but this just has an extra layer of "stupid" which I can't get beyond.

The airplanes have all the aerodynamics of a brick, doors are located right in front of weapon-sponsoons, exhaust pipes are right in front of vision slits/air intakes and you wonder that they'd choose legs instead of treads for desert terrain? Clearly, you have no understanding of the workings of the omnissiah!

I've always found it odd that the Imperium has the tech to make producing trillions of lasgun cell batteries that are compact enough to fit inside conventional size magazines and powerful enough to project beams of coherent light hundreds of meters with enough strength to penetrate a human torso and do so dozens of times before running out of power and be able to be recharged numerous times during their useful lifespan but then uses giant clunky combustion engines for all their vehicles. They can even scale up the batteries to power lascannons while still being small enough to be man portable. The nigh magical level of battery technological is considered commonplace but yet is never fully utilized to its utmost potential.

Aren't the exhaust pipes just there to let off excess heat / vapour? Even nuclear reactors use steam turbines.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
In part that sounds fake just because of how silly even the internal logic would be. A "Dune" Crawler presumably is built for transport on desert terrain.... Spider-legs would be the opposite to a tread, design sensibility.

Not saying I expect logic to rule the game, but this just has an extra layer of "stupid" which I can't get beyond.

The airplanes have all the aerodynamics of a brick, doors are located right in front of weapon-sponsoons, exhaust pipes are right in front of vision slits/air intakes and you wonder that they'd choose legs instead of treads for desert terrain? Clearly, you have no understanding of the workings of the omnissiah!

I've always found it odd that the Imperium has the tech to make producing trillions of lasgun cell batteries that are compact enough to fit inside conventional size magazines and powerful enough to project beams of coherent light hundreds of meters with enough strength to penetrate a human torso and do so dozens of times before running out of power and be able to be recharged numerous times during their useful lifespan but then uses giant clunky combustion engines for all their vehicles. They can even scale up the batteries to power lascannons while still being small enough to be man portable. The nigh magical level of battery technological is considered commonplace but yet is never fully utilized to its utmost potential.

Aren't the exhaust pipes just there to let off excess heat / vapour? Even nuclear reactors use steam turbines.

Possibly for the SM vehicles but in all of the IG/AM novels and fluff I've read since 2nd Ed the Imperial Army uses tanks, trucks, APCs, etc. that run on combustion engines. Well, except for back when the army army had access to jetbikes, landspeeders, landraiders, rhinos, squats, beastmen, jetpacks and human bombs.

 Kosake wrote:

 SisterSydney wrote:
A vehicle's guns point at its own doors because, ever since 30K, the Imperium's main concern has been treason, rather than external foes? Maybe?

And the gakky suspension is there to not make em too comfortable in there so they get out and fight for the emprah! faster..?

I know there's not supposed to be anything similar to military intelligence in the Imperium of Man, but here's yet another idea. It used to be in the days of the Soviet Union that certain vehicle features were aibrushed out of view when photos were revealed to the public (and thus, Western military forces.) Some would be subtle like a change in intakes, others would delete primary weapon systems, like nuclear missile cradles. This was done to confuse enemy intel services. The color plates in Imperial Armour may have been altered for such a reason as they're supposed to be in-universe renderings.

Another far more likely explanation is this: Arhkhan Land designs the Land Raider. He gets paranoid all of a sudden and makes a subtle change to his plans that put the side weapons behind the side exit doors. He does this to feth with people who would want to steal his plans and take credit. The Admech, millennia later, find these altered plans, declare them holy and start production. No one says a thing because "That's how we've always done, it, apprentice." Facepalming ensues on a galactic scale.

That is one seriously cool picture.

Facepalming is for heretics you tech apostate!

Prepare for servitor conversion in 8 cycles.

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
Facepalming is for heretics you tech apostate!

Prepare for servitor conversion in 8 cycles.

Take it up with my Reclusiarch.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
In part that sounds fake just because of how silly even the internal logic would be. A "Dune" Crawler presumably is built for transport on desert terrain.... Spider-legs would be the opposite to a tread, design sensibility.

Not saying I expect logic to rule the game, but this just has an extra layer of "stupid" which I can't get beyond.

The airplanes have all the aerodynamics of a brick, doors are located right in front of weapon-sponsoons, exhaust pipes are right in front of vision slits/air intakes and you wonder that they'd choose legs instead of treads for desert terrain? Clearly, you have no understanding of the workings of the omnissiah!

I've always found it odd that the Imperium has the tech to make producing trillions of lasgun cell batteries that are compact enough to fit inside conventional size magazines and powerful enough to project beams of coherent light hundreds of meters with enough strength to penetrate a human torso and do so dozens of times before running out of power and be able to be recharged numerous times during their useful lifespan but then uses giant clunky combustion engines for all their vehicles. They can even scale up the batteries to power lascannons while still being small enough to be man portable. The nigh magical level of battery technological is considered commonplace but yet is never fully utilized to its utmost potential.

Aren't the exhaust pipes just there to let off excess heat / vapour? Even nuclear reactors use steam turbines.

You are highly welcome to superheated/radioactive/superheated-radioactive steam to the face in either case once you try to peek out the nearest window.

Well in the case of the Stormraven/Stormeagle SM power armor is designed for those sort of conditions.

Guardsenm veterans however...

 Kosake wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Kosake wrote:

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
In part that sounds fake just because of how silly even the internal logic would be. A "Dune" Crawler presumably is built for transport on desert terrain.... Spider-legs would be the opposite to a tread, design sensibility.

Not saying I expect logic to rule the game, but this just has an extra layer of "stupid" which I can't get beyond.

The airplanes have all the aerodynamics of a brick, doors are located right in front of weapon-sponsoons, exhaust pipes are right in front of vision slits/air intakes and you wonder that they'd choose legs instead of treads for desert terrain? Clearly, you have no understanding of the workings of the omnissiah!

I've always found it odd that the Imperium has the tech to make producing trillions of lasgun cell batteries that are compact enough to fit inside conventional size magazines and powerful enough to project beams of coherent light hundreds of meters with enough strength to penetrate a human torso and do so dozens of times before running out of power and be able to be recharged numerous times during their useful lifespan but then uses giant clunky combustion engines for all their vehicles. They can even scale up the batteries to power lascannons while still being small enough to be man portable. The nigh magical level of battery technological is considered commonplace but yet is never fully utilized to its utmost potential.

Aren't the exhaust pipes just there to let off excess heat / vapour? Even nuclear reactors use steam turbines.

You are highly welcome to superheated/radioactive/superheated-radioactive steam to the face in either case once you try to peek out the nearest window.

Pilots are cheap

Just spoke with my friend who is working on a certain MMO using the 40K IP. He was asking his contacts in the UK if he could get a deal on a Mechanicum force from Forge World. He was told to wait until the end of March, it would be worth his while.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Just spoke with my friend who is working on a certain MMO using the 40K IP. He was asking his contacts in the UK if he could get a deal on a Mechanicum force from Forge World. He was told to wait until the end of March, it would be worth his while.

Forgeworld sale!

 pretre wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Just spoke with my friend who is working on a certain MMO using the 40K IP. He was asking his contacts in the UK if he could get a deal on a Mechanicum force from Forge World. He was told to wait until the end of March, it would be worth his while.

Forgeworld sale!

Or it could just be that GW/FW are putting together a swag box for his company. A buddy of mine was working at EA around 2001 when they got GW's license for a game. GW reps came in with a few boxes of WHFB, WH40k, and unit boxes for both as swag for the EA folks working on their game. My buddy played WHFB but not 40k, so gave me a starter box, Tac Marine box and a couple other things out of the deal.

If you want to hold your breath for a sale at the end of March, go ahead, but your buddy's company may be getting some FW for their good work for the cause.

 pretre wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Just spoke with my friend who is working on a certain MMO using the 40K IP. He was asking his contacts in the UK if he could get a deal on a Mechanicum force from Forge World. He was told to wait until the end of March, it would be worth his while.

Forgeworld sale!

Say-uhl? What is this "say-uhl" you speak of, for I've never heard of one when speaking of anything GW related.

He specifically asked if it was Forgeworld stuff, and they said no. Mechanicus, not Forge World, and full faction.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
He specifically asked if it was Forgeworld stuff, and they said no. Mechanicus, not Forge World, and full faction.

I may have to save up and invest in silver, red, and bronze paint!

He reiterated how giddy he was this weekend. And of course, they get shipments. Unfortunately, after release, so I can't even take shaky, out of focus pictures.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
He reiterated how giddy he was this weekend. And of course, they get shipments. Unfortunately, after release, so I can't even take shaky, out of focus pictures.

Why don't leaks take good photos...
Seriously, I take better quality photos while desperately answering PMs.

You haven't spent time on Facebook, I guess? The number of blurry, out of focus, flashy photos that still make it onto people's profiles is staggering.

Lords of War Gaming wrote:April/May
It's Admech, but there will be two codices. Also tanks will be walkers.

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