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I just don't want to believe.

It's about Draigo allegeldy showing up on End Times.

This just keeps getting better and better

 pretre wrote:
Anyone speak German:



From Mexican Ork

Mein Deutsch ist ein bisschen gut.

"In which books do I get to know more about the Legend of the Damned (?)?"

1. Sigmar's Blood
2. Nagash
3. Glottkin
4. Khaine
5. Thanquol

Box below:

Be'lakor crows the Lord of the End Times(Archaon). He starts to gather the biggest army of all times.

Small bit to the right:

Skaven overrun Estalia.

So appearently, the last End Times book is "Sigmar's Blood". Or "Blood of Sigmar".

Awesome, WHFB and 40k together again...time to play with my Necro....oh. GREAT. WE'RE SLEEPING. AGAIN.

"In which books do I get to know more about the Legend of the Damned (?)?"

1. Sigmar's Blood

Wait. What?

The eternal pessimist in me now thinks that rather than the warhammer world as a planet in the eye of terror (old, discarded background)

it might well actually be Earth post 40K, the last planet anywhere largely free of the taint of the ruinous powers, with Sigmar being a last attempt by the god/emperor/spirit power thingy whotsit to resit them

the end times is the end times indeed

The wolftime sounds like a really terrible metal band or a mid season replacement children's tv show.

I am totally down with Draigo being in Fantasy and the Warhammer World being a planet in the 40K universe somewhere. And Sigmar can be a lost Primarch.

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
The wolftime sounds like a really terrible metal band or a mid season replacement children's tv show.

It's better than the alternative: Ragnawolf.

I am fairly certain Blut is blood in German. So that would mean "Sigmar's blood."

 Accolade wrote:
I just don't want to believe.

I LOL'd.

And I'm with you.

 Sigvatr wrote:
So appearently, the last End Times book is "Sigmar's Blood". Or "Blood of Sigmar".

Sigmar's Blood is a prequel to the End Times, Empire vs Undead campaign, covering Volkmar's failed attempt to smack down Manfredd and Sylvania.

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
I am fairly certain Blut is blood in German. So that would mean "Sigmar's blood."

Yes, hence "Blut für den Blutgott!!!"

Talys wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
It was never really a problem that an independent wouldn't stock every single metal blister as they could just order the ones they need as customers wanted them. It would be silly for them to think they could. I started playing in the mid 90's and even back then my FLGS didn't carry the full range of metals, they just had a few token blisters here any there.

It would only really matter to huge independent stores that do enough business and have enough space to store them all.

The move to direct only was less a problem with stores wanting to maintain a huge stock of blisters but rather the move to direct only was accompanied by a massive reduction in the margin for independents.

Hasn't the margin always been a bit shy of 50%? Currently, a codex for CDN $59.50 has a trade price of $32.73 and a typical $60 box has a trade price of $27.50. I seem to recall margins about the same many years ago. If anything, higher prices mean more gross profit for independents (you make twice as much money on a $60 codex as a $30 codex, at the same margin). Ironically, in part, the dollar ticket amounts is what makes it possible for independents to offer bigger (percentage) discounts.

Sorry I meant the wholesale price. Individual retailers aren't typically willing to share what their wholesale price is (both because they agree with the manufacturer not to and because they don't want customers to know how much they are paying). The wholesale price on regular GW stuff is in the 40-45% range off retail (or has been historically). Direct only items that has significantly reduced, again it's hard to find specific values but I want to say around 10-20% off retail, but don't quote me on those numbers because it's hard to nail down concrete information on it. I do know it's significantly less because several shops have told me that it's not worth them bothering with direct only stuff because they barely make any money off it other than to make customers happy hoping they'll come back for other stuff. Some stores that offer discounts explicitly say they only offer discounts on stuff that isn't web/direct only because they can't afford to do so.

They are also limited on how much direct only stuff they can order. In the UK an independent can only order 500GBP worth of direct only stuff (based on retail price) I remember MWG complaining about it too and I think they said $500 worth of direct only stuff.

 Baragash wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
So appearently, the last End Times book is "Sigmar's Blood". Or "Blood of Sigmar".

Sigmar's Blood is a prequel to the End Times, Empire vs Undead campaign, covering Volkmar's failed attempt to smack down Manfredd and Sylvania.

Baragash is correct:

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Warhammer-Sigmars-Blood-EN

 Ratius wrote:

"In which books do I get to know more about the Legend of the Damned (?)?"

1. Sigmar's Blood

Wait. What?

The correct translation is Legend(meaning index) of Damnation

 Accolade wrote:
I just don't want to believe.

That's mostly how I've been feeling since the start of this thread

Thanks for the correction! I'm out of the loop

I've been approaching these rumors from the perspective of someone who's always been curious about Fantasy, but never got around to playing the game.

I'm interested in something different from 40k: a fantasy game that is more accessible in terms of cost to start-up compared to its predecessor and perhaps more simplistic in rules. But if it turns out that the Warhammer world is just a backwaters planet in 40k, then I end up right back in square one! (especially if the round bases thing turns out to be true and suddenly people want to play Lizardmen with their Space Marines... *shudder*)

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Talys wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
It was never really a problem that an independent wouldn't stock every single metal blister as they could just order the ones they need as customers wanted them. It would be silly for them to think they could. I started playing in the mid 90's and even back then my FLGS didn't carry the full range of metals, they just had a few token blisters here any there.

It would only really matter to huge independent stores that do enough business and have enough space to store them all.

The move to direct only was less a problem with stores wanting to maintain a huge stock of blisters but rather the move to direct only was accompanied by a massive reduction in the margin for independents.

Hasn't the margin always been a bit shy of 50%? Currently, a codex for CDN $59.50 has a trade price of $32.73 and a typical $60 box has a trade price of $27.50. I seem to recall margins about the same many years ago. If anything, higher prices mean more gross profit for independents (you make twice as much money on a $60 codex as a $30 codex, at the same margin). Ironically, in part, the dollar ticket amounts is what makes it possible for independents to offer bigger (percentage) discounts.

Sorry I meant the wholesale price. Individual retailers aren't typically willing to share what their wholesale price is (both because they agree with the manufacturer not to and because they don't want customers to know how much they are paying). The wholesale price on regular GW stuff is in the 40-45% range off retail (or has been historically). Direct only items that has significantly reduced, again it's hard to find specific values but I want to say around 10-20% off retail, but don't quote me on those numbers because it's hard to nail down concrete information on it. I do know it's significantly less because several shops have told me that it's not worth them bothering with direct only stuff because they barely make any money off it other than to make customers happy hoping they'll come back for other stuff. Some stores that offer discounts explicitly say they only offer discounts on stuff that isn't web/direct only because they can't afford to do so.

They are also limited on how much direct only stuff they can order. In the UK an independent can only order 500GBP worth of direct only stuff (based on retail price) I remember MWG complaining about it too and I think they said $500 worth of direct only stuff.

Right, trade price = wholesale price (the price that an FLGS pays). It's just what GW calls it on their order form, which my store has no problem sharing with me. In the example above, I took actual prices for Codex: Space Wolves and Space Marine Terminators Squad (they happen to be adjacent on the order form). The actual dolalr amounts are:

Wholesale Codex: Space Wolves is $27.23USD / $32.73 CAD ; MSRP is $49.50 USD / $59.50 CAD
Wholesale Space Marine Terminators is $27.50 USD / $33.00 CAD ; MSRP is $50.00 USD / $60.00 CAD

That puts profit margin at exactly 45% for those two items. The other $49.50 (retail) codices are the same cost.

This should be obvious, but it means that with a 25% discount, a store will make 20% margin. Or, on a $1000 order $450, $300, $200, or $150, at retail, 15% discount, 25% discount and 30% discount, respectively. It's also why you rarely see discounts exceed 30% -- because the store has to make *something* right?

And you are right, there are some products which are essentially profitless for the store; my store has mentioned them before, though I can't think of one off the top of my head. They bring it in more as a service to their customers than anything else. Which is definitely crazy.

 Ratius wrote:

It's about Draigo allegeldy showing up on End Times.

This just keeps getting better and better

Whelp its time to go back to being drunk all the time bye bye sober world..


( honestly its so crazy it makes me feel I'm still drunk so why fight it)

inb4 some leftover Necrons kill off all Lizardmen to make the Old Ones turn i their graves and then go to sleep!

 Accolade wrote:
I've been approaching these rumors from the perspective of someone who's always been curious about Fantasy, but never got around to playing the game.

I'm interested in something different from 40k: a fantasy game that is more accessible in terms of cost to start-up compared to its predecessor and perhaps more simplistic in rules. But if it turns out that the Warhammer world is just a backwaters planet in 40k, then I end up right back in square one! (especially if the round bases thing turns out to be true and suddenly people want to play Lizardmen with their Space Marines... *shudder*)

I'm approaching in terms of someone who has collected Fantasy for nearly 20 years and thinks WHFB has always had better rules than 40k, they just dropped the ball on the last edition by having rules that encouraged massive armies instead of smaller armies. I haven't really played much since 7th edition (some of my armies haven't left the shelf, the ones that have it's only been for a couple of games in the past several years).

Regimental combat has always been the appeal of WHFB. In previous editions I even preferred WHFB over 40k for smaller games, I loved the Warhammer Warbands rules, which scale the game down to 100-500pts. Even at 750pts I found just the regular WHFB rules worked well.

http://www.thekeeponline.com/documents/Warbands.pdf

I've always collected 40k because of the cool armies more than the rules, I've always collected WHFB because I thought it was the better game.


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Talys wrote:
And you are right, there are some products which are essentially profitless for the store; my store has mentioned them before, though I can't think of one off the top of my head. They bring it in more as a service to their customers than anything else. Which is definitely crazy.

I think you'll find it's the direct only stuff. I know my FLGS (before it closed) hated GW for it because he made a decent sum of money from people ordering that sort of stuff off him, when they reduced the wholesale discount on direct only items it massively cut in to what he could make off new GW product (I don't think that's what made him close, but I know he disliked GW for many reasons and that was one of them, other reasons include them wanting him to order stock he didn't want or need and then having huge delays when he ordered things, I once waited over a month to get in a $400 Lizardmen order which I'm pretty sure I would have gotten within a week if I'd ordered from GW web store).

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
I've been approaching these rumors from the perspective of someone who's always been curious about Fantasy, but never got around to playing the game.

I'm interested in something different from 40k: a fantasy game that is more accessible in terms of cost to start-up compared to its predecessor and perhaps more simplistic in rules. But if it turns out that the Warhammer world is just a backwaters planet in 40k, then I end up right back in square one! (especially if the round bases thing turns out to be true and suddenly people want to play Lizardmen with their Space Marines... *shudder*)

I'm approaching in terms of someone who has collected Fantasy for nearly 20 years and thinks WHFB has always had better rules than 40k, they just dropped the ball on the last edition by having rules that encouraged massive armies instead of smaller armies. I haven't really played much since 7th edition (some of my armies haven't left the shelf, the ones that have it's only been for a couple of games in the past several years).

Regimental combat has always been the appeal of WHFB. In previous editions I even preferred WHFB over 40k for smaller games, I loved the Warhammer Warbands rules, which scale the game down to 100-500pts. Even at 750pts I found just the regular WHFB rules worked well.

http://www.thekeeponline.com/documents/Warbands.pdf

I've always collected 40k because of the cool armies more than the rules, I've always collected WHFB because I thought it was the better game.

I definitely feel for you WHFB players, you guys are getting/will be getting the short end of the stick if all of this comes to pass.

If they bring in fething Draigo in WHFB or anything like that, there will be no rules nor models great enough to forgive that.

But if the current trend of releasing any fan fic as "novella" it won't be long until BL releases the first Draigo/Sigmar slash.

So.. does this mean Squats are coming back, only with runes and books about grudges and stuff?

 Accolade wrote:
I just don't want to believe.

But... but...

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Talys wrote:
And you are right, there are some products which are essentially profitless for the store; my store has mentioned them before, though I can't think of one off the top of my head. They bring it in more as a service to their customers than anything else. Which is definitely crazy.

I think you'll find it's the direct only stuff. I know my FLGS (before it closed) hated GW for it because he made a decent sum of money from people ordering that sort of stuff off him, when they reduced the wholesale discount on direct only items it massively cut in to what he could make off new GW product (I don't think that's what made him close, but I know he disliked GW for many reasons and that was one of them, other reasons include them wanting him to order stock he didn't want or need and then having huge delays when he ordered things, I once waited over a month to get in a $400 Lizardmen order which I'm pretty sure I would have gotten within a week if I'd ordered from GW web store).

Allocations are another big issue.

GW: "Hot new $150 product! Will sell out instantly!"
Store: "Great, give me 20!"
GW: "No, you can't have that many. They're on allocation."
Store: "How many then?"
GW: "Don't know. Maybe none! We'll tell you next week!"

It drives both stores and customers totally nuts here, because you end up ordering something from everywhere to make sure you get it, and then, you end up having to cancel 4 of them. Or you can pay the undiscounted GW price. >.<

 Necros wrote:
So.. does this mean Squats are coming back, only with runes and books about grudges and stuff?

Ironically no, the way things seem to have played out in Thanquol puts the Dwarfs close to being....um....squatted.

Maybe this potential atrocity is just depressing me too much, but I'm having a genuine Poe Moment here; are people seriously excited by this? People genuinely want to see GW tear down two decades+ of lore, and on top of that are happy at the prospect of fething Draigo making an appearance?

And if I'm not just having a sarcasm detector malfunction and people do actually think this is a good plan, I have to ask; why would you not just play WM/H or some other game? I don't mean that as a dig, I'm genuinely curious; if I wanted to play a game that had different background, different factions, different characters, and different rules to Warhammer Fantasy, I'd just play a different game. It seems even odder coming from people who see this as a chance "to finally get into Fantasy" - this won't be Fantasy any more in any real sense, and if you just wanted another GW game with skirmish rules LotR is widely acknowledged as having superior rules to both of GW's other products, so that option has existed for years.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 Lockark wrote:

kooshlord wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Draigo showed up already in a WHFB novel, didn't he?

Spoiler:

He showed up in Warhammer Khaine in the flavortext. He joined Araloth frolicking in Nurgle's Garden. Although he was not specifically named.

Spoiler:

Because of how vague the description was, it could of also been Sigmar in his dwarven armour. It would explain why a elf would describe his armour has looking "baroque" and since Sigmar is a Man who became a god he might just appear as a really powerful human well aiding Araloth in the garden of nurgle.

Spoiler:

He is a giant of a man in silver armour who walks the Realm of Chaos fighting deamons. He can't be killed and with a sweep of his hand explosions rip some attacking deamons apart. That sounds a lot like a Gray Knight using psy-ammunition if you ask me.

NINJA'ED!

Matt Ward wrote Khaine, so it probably is.

So Draigo becomes an even bigger Mary Sue (or Marty Stu or Gary Stu whichever term you prefer).

You know... there once was a rumor I think sometime last year that said down the pipes there were plans to allow you to use 40k armies in Fantasy, the better to allow you to buy anything and use it in whatever manner you choose. It was dismissed as insane nonsense.

Looking back though, mayhaps there was a grain of truth in it?