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2015/01/14 00:16:22
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
It'd be cool if the realm of chaos exists in both universes as the same thing but both fantasy and 40k are alternative realities or different universes where they can only interact through the chaos realm
2015/01/14 00:21:16
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
I doubt they would, as it might affect negatively their cash cow. 40k would lose a lot of appeal if some dudes with bows, maces and chain mails appeared
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2015/01/14 00:31:42
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
Bronzefists42 wrote: A single Ork boy with two working shootas, 'eavy armor, and enough ammunition could probably kill hundreds of fantasy combatants in fluff terms.
Alternatively said Ork boy could die in agony to a skulking gobbos blade, take a musketball between the eyes or end up being vaporized by skaven warplightning, let alone being incinerated by a lowly shaman spell or just sat on by a giant!
Quite amusing this fantasy/40k crossover stuff
2015/01/14 00:46:04
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
Bronzefists42 wrote: A single Ork boy with two working shootas, 'eavy armor, and enough ammunition could probably kill hundreds of fantasy combatants in fluff terms.
Alternatively said Ork boy could die in agony to a skulking gobbos blade, take a musketball between the eyes or end up being vaporized by skaven warplightning, let alone being incinerated by a lowly shaman spell or just sat on by a giant!
Quite depressingthis fantasy/40k crossover stuff
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mitch_rifle wrote: It'd be cool if the realm of chaos exists in both universes as the same thing but both fantasy and 40k are alternative realities or different universes where they can only interact through the chaos realm
That's how I see it. The Realm of Chaos/Warp is like The Bleed from DC. It's an extra-dimensional space that links the multiverse of GW.
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2015/01/14 00:55:22
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
Yodhrin wrote:Maybe this potential atrocity is just depressing me too much, but I'm having a genuine Poe Moment here; are people seriously excited by this? People genuinely want to see GW tear down two decades+ of lore, and on top of that are happy at the prospect of fething Draigo making an appearance?
And if I'm not just having a sarcasm detector malfunction and people do actually think this is a good plan, I have to ask; why would you not just play WM/H or some other game? I don't mean that as a dig, I'm genuinely curious; if I wanted to play a game that had different background, different factions, different characters, and different rules to Warhammer Fantasy, I'd just play a different game. It seems even odder coming from people who see this as a chance "to finally get into Fantasy" - this won't be Fantasy any more in any real sense, and if you just wanted another GW game with skirmish rules LotR is widely acknowledged as having superior rules to both of GW's other products, so that option has existed for years.
I agree entirely.
WayneTheGame wrote:So Draigo becomes an even bigger Mary Sue (or Marty Stu or Gary Stu whichever term you prefer).
You know... there once was a rumor I think sometime last year that said down the pipes there were plans to allow you to use 40k armies in Fantasy, the better to allow you to buy anything and use it in whatever manner you choose. It was dismissed as insane nonsense.
Looking back though, mayhaps there was a grain of truth in it?
There have been rumors of 40k/fantasy cross over as long as I've been collecting, I think it usually comes from random GW store staff.
2015/01/14 00:57:28
Subject: Re:Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
There have been rumors of 40k/fantasy cross over as long as I've been collecting, I think it usually comes from random GW store staff.
To be fair, both the 2nd Ed rule book AND one of the 3rd Ed Codexes suggest doing it.
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2015/01/14 01:42:17
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
Bronzefists42 wrote: A single Ork boy with two working shootas, 'eavy armor, and enough ammunition could probably kill hundreds of fantasy combatants in fluff terms.
Not really since guys on horses can have 1+ saves and 40k weapons don't alter armor saves due to strength values. On the other hand, cannons would take out whole units of terminators...
Edit:
Oops. Fluff terms. Probably not there either because many units laugh off empire cannon shots in the fluff or an elf would pepper him with magic arrows.
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2015/01/14 01:53:10
Subject: Re:Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
Not sure if this was posted/mentioned (apologies if it was) but this picture from today's post on GW site shows dwarf fighting in ranks with Ogres.
Wonder if it means anything for the future of both factions or if its merely an artistic concept. Have to say the ogres seem to fit in nicely with the little guys; almost an Age of Mythology like esthetic.
What do you guys make of this?
2015/01/14 01:54:46
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
Yodhrin wrote: Maybe this potential atrocity is just depressing me too much, but I'm having a genuine Poe Moment here; are people seriously excited by this? People genuinely want to see GW tear down two decades+ of lore, and on top of that are happy at the prospect of fething Draigo making an appearance?
I'm not excited one bit about the idea of 40k working it's fingers into Fantasy. 40k already permeates almost everything GW produces, and their last remaining alternative game doesn't need to lose its "feel" just to become a pissant minor dirtball compared to every other world in 40k.
And if I'm not just having a sarcasm detector malfunction and people do actually think this is a good plan, I have to ask; why would you not just play WM/H or some other game? I don't mean that as a dig, I'm genuinely curious; if I wanted to play a game that had different background, different factions, different characters, and different rules to Warhammer Fantasy, I'd just play a different game. It seems even odder coming from people who see this as a chance "to finally get into Fantasy" - this won't be Fantasy any more in any real sense, and if you just wanted another GW game with skirmish rules LotR is widely acknowledged as having superior rules to both of GW's other products, so that option has existed for years.
Honestly, I like the WHFB miniatures a lot, as well as the fantasy setting (particularly the Wood Elves, Empire, and Vampire Counts). I suppose my interest in WHFB only grew up too late; by then 8th was in full swing and it became apparent just how much money I would have to sink into the game to just try it out. I know that this new game won't be Fantasy in the same sense. And I suppose that if GW were just to get games of WHFB back to scale with previous editions, I might be just as excited.
I do have to say I enjoy the "grimdarkening" of Fantasy a bit; it seems like it's shrouded up the edges of the world, giving it a sense of the unexplored (something I think 40k has always had going for it). I like the dire straits stuff too, whether it be in other products such as Kingdom Death or other post-apocalyptia. I still feel awful for the fans of traditional Fantasy, and I'm honestly not that expectant that what GW will put out won't be some excuse for them to charge you for things, later invalidate them, then force you to buy something else to stay current. I guess we'll just have to see.
Not sure if this was posted/mentioned (apologies if it was) but this picture from today's post on GW site shows dwarf fighting in ranks with Ogres.
Wonder if it means anything for the future of both factions or if its merely an artistic concept. Have to say the ogres seem to fit in nicely with the little guys; almost an Age of Mythology like esthetic.
What do you guys make of this?
Good catch, Hive City Dweller. I think GW is setting the stage for 9th more and more with the End Times stuff. By the time the new edition/game comes out, most of the army and background changes will already be apparent. Given that this army combination seems to match up with rumors (ogres with dwarves, maybe then mixed into Empire?), I'm starting to feel more and more confident that this stuff is going to come to pass.
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2015/01/14 02:24:21
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
Hive City Dweller wrote: Not sure if this was posted/mentioned (apologies if it was) but this picture from today's post on GW site shows dwarf fighting in ranks with Ogres.
Spoiler:
Wonder if it means anything for the future of both factions or if its merely an artistic concept. Have to say the ogres seem to fit in nicely with the little guys; almost an Age of Mythology like esthetic.
What do you guys make of this?
Last time I looked the Ogres had a Dogs of War/Mercenary rule, or its the allies rule with "artistic licence"
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2015/01/14 03:03:48
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
Yodhrin wrote: Maybe this potential atrocity is just depressing me too much, but I'm having a genuine Poe Moment here; are people seriously excited by this? People genuinely want to see GW tear down two decades+ of lore, and on top of that are happy at the prospect of fething Draigo making an appearance?
Hive City Dweller wrote: Not sure if this was posted/mentioned (apologies if it was) but this picture from today's post on GW site shows dwarf fighting in ranks with Ogres.
Wonder if it means anything for the future of both factions or if its merely an artistic concept. Have to say the ogres seem to fit in nicely with the little guys; almost an Age of Mythology like esthetic.
What do you guys make of this?
This image is showing visually what happens in the Rise of the Horned Rat (End Times: Thanquol). The Skaven clans finally unite and descend on the last great Dwarf holds, likely driving them close to extinction (along with the Ogres)...this will explain why neither race will have sole representation in Warhammer 9th (Super Bubbalicious Bubblehammer). They will get a side-note in the Alliance of Men (good guy army).
/speculation
*edit: "Go Queek!"
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Ignoring the fact that Ogres eat sky titans and have the power of the great maw to devour their foes but will somehow be destroyed by little rats....I guess GW doesn't even bother reading their own fluff anymore.
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2015/01/14 05:47:27
Subject: Re:Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
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Still doubt either army will get mashed together.
More likely there will be an ally or mercenary system. Hey, maybe they'll bring Dogs of War back
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agnosto wrote: Ignoring the fact that Ogres eat sky titans and have the power of the great maw to devour their foes but will somehow be destroyed by little rats....I guess GW doesn't even bother reading their own fluff anymore.
That was a united Ogre race that killed the Sky Titans though. Quite a lot of Ogres are killed in volcanic eruptions at the onset of the End Times, in addition to the tribes going their own way after rejecting Greasus Gold-tooth's rule. Don't see how its outside the realm of possibility that the separated and weakened Ogre race could get their butts kicked by a unified Skaven, rising up to claim their destiny.
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2015/01/14 05:54:44
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
agnosto wrote: Ignoring the fact that Ogres eat sky titans and have the power of the great maw to devour their foes but will somehow be destroyed by little rats....I guess GW doesn't even bother reading their own fluff anymore.
That was a united Ogre race that killed the Sky Titans though. Quite a lot of Ogres are killed in volcanic eruptions at the onset of the End Times, in addition to the tribes going their own way after rejecting Greasus Gold-tooth's rule. Don't see how its outside the realm of possibility that the separated and weakened Ogre race could get their butts kicked by a unified Skaven, rising up to claim their destiny.
Ogres weren't exactly united when they killed the Skytitans. There was no coordinated effort beyond basic pack hunting.
There are also a LOT of Ogres. They're not as numerous as other races, but they're hardly outnumbered thousands to one.
Besides, the Skaven Underempire isn't really near the Mountains of Mourn. Sure, they have tunnels there, but its not anywhere close to their main areas of operations. Nor are there many Dwarf holds in the Mountains. The mountains are simply far too dangerous for more than small numbers of any other races. The tunnels beneath the mountains are crawling with gorgers and other monsters. Ogres themselves avoid caves, that's how scary they are.
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Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
agnosto wrote: Ignoring the fact that Ogres eat sky titans and have the power of the great maw to devour their foes but will somehow be destroyed by little rats....I guess GW doesn't even bother reading their own fluff anymore.
That was a united Ogre race that killed the Sky Titans though. Quite a lot of Ogres are killed in volcanic eruptions at the onset of the End Times, in addition to the tribes going their own way after rejecting Greasus Gold-tooth's rule. Don't see how its outside the realm of possibility that the separated and weakened Ogre race could get their butts kicked by a unified Skaven, rising up to claim their destiny.
Ogres weren't exactly united when they killed the Skytitans. There was no coordinated effort beyond basic pack hunting.
There are also a LOT of Ogres. They're not as numerous as other races, but they're hardly outnumbered thousands to one.
Besides, the Skaven Underempire isn't really near the Mountains of Mourn. Sure, they have tunnels there, but its not anywhere close to their main areas of operations. Nor are there many Dwarf holds in the Mountains. The mountains are simply far too dangerous for more than small numbers of any other races. The tunnels beneath the mountains are crawling with gorgers and other monsters. Ogres themselves avoid caves, that's how scary they are.
I meant the Ogres were isolated and attacked as they came west, from the Mountains of Mourn, which they are abandoning. Either way, we'll find out in a few days. Pretty excited.
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2015/01/14 06:48:48
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
Yodhrin wrote: Maybe this potential atrocity is just depressing me too much, but I'm having a genuine Poe Moment here; are people seriously excited by this? People genuinely want to see GW tear down two decades+ of lore, and on top of that are happy at the prospect of fething Draigo making an appearance?
And if I'm not just having a sarcasm detector malfunction and people do actually think this is a good plan, I have to ask; why would you not just play WM/H or some other game? I don't mean that as a dig, I'm genuinely curious; if I wanted to play a game that had different background, different factions, different characters, and different rules to Warhammer Fantasy, I'd just play a different game. It seems even odder coming from people who see this as a chance "to finally get into Fantasy" - this won't be Fantasy any more in any real sense, and if you just wanted another GW game with skirmish rules LotR is widely acknowledged as having superior rules to both of GW's other products, so that option has existed for years.
Some people are going to love GW no matter what they do. Everything GW does will always be gold for them. It is sad to see what's probably going to happen to fantasy, just like it's sad to see what's already happened to LotR.
2015/01/14 07:27:35
Subject: Re:Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
Hive City Dweller wrote: Not sure if this was posted/mentioned (apologies if it was) but this picture from today's post on GW site shows dwarf fighting in ranks with Ogres.
Spoiler:
Wonder if it means anything for the future of both factions or if its merely an artistic concept. Have to say the ogres seem to fit in nicely with the little guys; almost an Age of Mythology like esthetic.
What do you guys make of this?
I thought it was already called out that Ogre & Dwarf remnants work for the Empire.
In this case, instead of Nids eating the Squats, we have the Dorfs being driven out by Skaven. As usual. And Ogres being a minor power, return to being Empire instead of O&G (who have Trolls to fill the Ogre role).
Torga_DW wrote: Some people are going to love GW no matter what they do. Everything GW does will always be gold for them. It is sad to see what's probably going to happen to fantasy, just like it's sad to see what's already happened to LotR.
I can understand some people who weren't in to Fantasy being interested... but for people who do like Fantasy it feels a bit like saying "sorry your dog got run over by a truck, but maybe the guts will make some nice patterns on the road".
2015/01/14 08:49:04
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
...if I wanted to play a game that had different background, different factions, different characters, and different rules to Warhammer Fantasy, I'd just play a different game. It seems even odder coming from people who see this as a chance "to finally get into Fantasy" - this won't be Fantasy any more in any real sense
*snips*
If you look at the name/font/logo on the End Times stuff (WARHAMMER), and the store in the South that was rebranded WARHAMMER (in the same style as the End Times stuff) it certainly looks like Warhammer Fantasy is being phased out.
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2015/01/14 09:01:50
Subject: Rumors of the possible future of WHFB in summer 2015
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