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 Micky wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

That sounds like bad fan fic. Seriously. I'd expect the next chapter of that to have Alith and Malekith confess their love for one another.

Naturally. Matt Ward wrote it.

I highly fething doubt it. He doesn't work for GW anymore and hasn't since at least the middle of last year, and before that wasn't actually writing anything directly. So please kindly just stop flogging that horse. It's not even dead anymore. It's been buried and a tree has grown where it's corpse was laid to rest.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Micky wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

That sounds like bad fan fic. Seriously. I'd expect the next chapter of that to have Alith and Malekith confess their love for one another.

Naturally. Matt Ward wrote it.

I highly fething doubt it. He doesn't work for GW anymore and hasn't since at least the middle of last year, and before that wasn't actually writing anything directly. So please kindly just stop flogging that horse. It's not even dead anymore. It's been buried and a tree has grown where it's corpse was laid to rest.

Oh, so then it's CS Goto's work?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Micky wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

That sounds like bad fan fic. Seriously. I'd expect the next chapter of that to have Alith and Malekith confess their love for one another.

Naturally. Matt Ward wrote it.

I highly fething doubt it. He doesn't work for GW anymore and hasn't since at least the middle of last year, and before that wasn't actually writing anything directly. So please kindly just stop flogging that horse. It's not even dead anymore. It's been buried and a tree has grown where it's corpse was laid to rest.

Oh, so then it's CS Goto's work?

No, because he's too busy writing your posts for you.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Micky wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

That sounds like bad fan fic. Seriously. I'd expect the next chapter of that to have Alith and Malekith confess their love for one another.

Naturally. Matt Ward wrote it.

I highly fething doubt it. He doesn't work for GW anymore and hasn't since at least the middle of last year, and before that wasn't actually writing anything directly. So please kindly just stop flogging that horse. It's not even dead anymore. It's been buried and a tree has grown where it's corpse was laid to rest.

http://www.thetowerofstars.co.uk/#!The-Wheel-Turns/c1q8z/BA5B121D-93F6-482D-AC4A-4E72A8464BD1

Matt Ward wrote:Just as Siege of Gondor was the first book I saw through from beginning to end, Warhammer: Khaine is the last. That's not to say it's the last one I wrote (there's one to go yet), but it is the final book upon which I worked closely with the artists, designers, rules writers and so on.

Matt Ward wrote:No, I think Khaine was my favourite to write ....

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Micky wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

That sounds like bad fan fic. Seriously. I'd expect the next chapter of that to have Alith and Malekith confess their love for one another.

Naturally. Matt Ward wrote it.

I highly fething doubt it. He doesn't work for GW anymore and hasn't since at least the middle of last year, and before that wasn't actually writing anything directly. So please kindly just stop flogging that horse. It's not even dead anymore. It's been buried and a tree has grown where it's corpse was laid to rest.

Oh, so then it's CS Goto's work?

No, because he's too busy writing your posts for you.

Uncool.

I'm quite apprehensive about this. Im all for change and all, but if the Lizardmen have indeed been squatted then that is a slap in the face to customer relations.
Regarding the limited runs of models, would GW manage to retain ownership of the IP if they no longer produce the model?? If that be the case I could see some of the quality third party manufacturers doing their own versions of the most popular models once they are no longer available

 ClockworkZion wrote:

 Micky wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

That sounds like bad fan fic. Seriously. I'd expect the next chapter of that to have Alith and Malekith confess their love for one another.

Naturally. Matt Ward wrote it.

I highly fething doubt it. He doesn't work for GW anymore and hasn't since at least the middle of last year, and before that wasn't actually writing anything directly. So please kindly just stop flogging that horse. It's not even dead anymore. It's been buried and a tree has grown where it's corpse was laid to rest.

Becuase when he left, GW expunged his works from the records and didn't use any of what he was working on when he left at all. Oh no.

And as pointed out above, he's said he wrote it.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:


Becuase when he left, GW expunged his works from the records and didn't use any of what he was working on when he left at all. Oh no.

And as pointed out above, he's said he wrote it.

Well, they did a whole campaign series around Blood Angels & Necrons bro-fisting, including a BL advent story with a Necrons/Blood Angels strike cruiser called Fratrem Pugno, literally "Brother Fist" or, if you're so inclined "Bro Fist"

And who says BL doesn't have a sense of humour?

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:


Becuase when he left, GW expunged his works from the records and didn't use any of what he was working on when he left at all. Oh no.

And as pointed out above, he's said he wrote it.

Well, they did a whole campaign series around Blood Angels & Necrons bro-fisting, including a BL advent story with a Necrons/Blood Angels strike cruiser called Fratrem Pugno, literally "Brother Fist" or, if you're so inclined "Bro Fist"

Wait, are you serious... I knew about the necron/BA thing, didn't know that the cruiser was called Bro Fist

 Malika2 wrote:
And who says BL doesn't have a sense of humour?

Nobody - it simply appears to be the sense of humour of a man who laughs at his own farts.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
And who says BL doesn't have a sense of humour?

Nobody - it simply appears to be the sense of humour of a man who laughs at his own farts.

Not entirely fair. BL/GW didn't come up with the "Bro Fist" thing. BL just took it from the "interwebs" and went with it. A case of fiction the 40K-community wants/deserves?

Wonderwolf wrote:
A case of fiction the 40K-community wants/deserves?

No. The internet came up with the "bro fist" thing to mock GW's gakky writing. It was not an endorsement of that writing, or a plea for more of the same.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:


Becuase when he left, GW expunged his works from the records and didn't use any of what he was working on when he left at all. Oh no.

And as pointed out above, he's said he wrote it.

Well, they did a whole campaign series around Blood Angels & Necrons bro-fisting, including a BL advent story with a Necrons/Blood Angels strike cruiser called Fratrem Pugno, literally "Brother Fist" or, if you're so inclined "Bro Fist"

Actually, fratrem pugno means "I fight my brother". Source: Latin degree.

This is getting off topic, however.

Wonderwolf wrote:
A case of fiction the 40K-community wants/deserves?

I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion.

There's such a thing as acknowledging your mistakes and a bit of self-deprecation can regain a bit of respect; but with the amount of bloopers GW makes it begins to seem less like a friendly wink & nudge and 'd'you remember that time', and more like a colourful gesture to anyone getting peeved by the constant muck-ups.

There's a short line from Michael Crichton's original The Lost World sequel to Jurassic Park. (the awful movie bore almost no resemblance, but I digress) It's very obscure, almost a throwaway line, not particularly ground-breaking; but it's stuck with me for years, and comes to mind in situations like this:

"Don't be sorry; be right!"

 Vermis wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:
A case of fiction the 40K-community wants/deserves?

I'm not sure how you arrived at that conclusion.

There's such a thing as acknowledging your mistakes and a bit of self-deprecation can regain a bit of respect; but with the amount of bloopers GW makes it begins to seem less like a friendly wink & nudge and 'd'you remember that time', and more like a colourful gesture to anyone getting peeved by the constant muck-ups.

There's a short line from Michael Crichton's original The Lost World sequel to Jurassic Park. (the awful movie bore almost no resemblance, but I digress) It's very obscure, almost a throwaway line, not particularly ground-breaking; but it's stuck with me for years, and comes to mind in situations like this:

"Don't be sorry; be right!"

I thought the original Necron vs. Blood Angels story in the "enemy of my enemy"-spirit was all right. Certainly less grating then previous "allies"-attempts (e.g. Striking Scorpions & Space Wolves in the old Space Wolves codex). The "Bro Fist mockery" exaggerated the original story to a point, where the object of mockery had little resemblance to the original. It implied levels of intimacy that were clearly not intended by the original.

Either way, whatever intentions GW might have had with "Fratrem Pugno" (assuming it was even meant as a "Bro Fist-pun", i.e. I've got no Latin degree), the analogy of "laughing at their own farts" is off, as they were laughing/catering to/mocking/embracing/referencing/whatever an internet-meme specifically, not (just) the original Mat Ward paragraph (assuming he literally wrote it himself, which he might not have done, even if he was the lead on the old Cron codex). The "reference" would obviously have been impossible without the internet-meme. There is no "bro fist" in the original story.

Wonderwolf wrote:
I thought the original Necron vs. Blood Angels story in the "enemy of my enemy"-spirit was all right.

Necrons did not do "enemy of my enemy" until Ward got his hands on them. Eldar and Imperials? Tau and Imperials? These are factions that are capable of interacting on a level other than murder. Necrons and Space Marines? Not a fething chance.

 AlexHolker wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:
I thought the original Necron vs. Blood Angels story in the "enemy of my enemy"-spirit was all right.

Necrons did not do "enemy of my enemy" until Ward got his hands on them. Eldar and Imperials? Tau and Imperials? These are factions that are capable of interacting on a level other than murder. Necrons and Space Marines? Not a fething chance.

Perhaps. But when the design brief was to change the dull old mono-dimensional Necrons, moving away from an uninspired "Terminator"-rip-off and turn them into something that is actually open to personalisation, hobby-creativity in painting/conversions and campaign-games by players with Necron-armies, then illustrating it - among other things - by showing they are now capable of basic military strategy and alliances of necessity sounds like the reasonable thing to do.

Otherwise, Necrons would still be stuck in the same dead-end Tyranids are still in. A "cool idea" for about 5 seconds, but nothing you can really do with it beyond that.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:
And who says BL doesn't have a sense of humour?

Nobody - it simply appears to be the sense of humour of a man who laughs at his own farts.

Not entirely fair. BL/GW didn't come up with the "Bro Fist" thing. BL just took it from the "interwebs" and went with it. A case of fiction the 40K-community wants/deserves?

Indeed, its like this thread about Fantasy keep moving to the 40k setting. Mockery turning painfully true?

Regarding bad fanfic, there might be a reason why it's called BL. In slash circles, BL means Boy Love. Gives BL Collection a whole new meaning.

On topic however, what I find alarming is not how insane these rumors are, it's how it sounds veeeeery plausible for GW to do said rumors.

 Charles Rampant wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:


Becuase when he left, GW expunged his works from the records and didn't use any of what he was working on when he left at all. Oh no.

And as pointed out above, he's said he wrote it.

Well, they did a whole campaign series around Blood Angels & Necrons bro-fisting, including a BL advent story with a Necrons/Blood Angels strike cruiser called Fratrem Pugno, literally "Brother Fist" or, if you're so inclined "Bro Fist"

Actually, fratrem pugno means "I fight my brother". Source: Latin degree.

This is getting off topic, however.

Out of curiosity, what would be the proper translation of "Bro fist" in to latin?

 ulgurstasta wrote:

 Charles Rampant wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:


Becuase when he left, GW expunged his works from the records and didn't use any of what he was working on when he left at all. Oh no.

And as pointed out above, he's said he wrote it.

Well, they did a whole campaign series around Blood Angels & Necrons bro-fisting, including a BL advent story with a Necrons/Blood Angels strike cruiser called Fratrem Pugno, literally "Brother Fist" or, if you're so inclined "Bro Fist"

Actually, fratrem pugno means "I fight my brother". Source: Latin degree.

This is getting off topic, however.

Out of curiosity, what would be the proper translation of "Bro fist" in to latin?

Frater Pugnus

 heartserenade wrote:
Regarding bad fanfic, there might be a reason why it's called BL. In slash circles, BL means Boy Love. Gives BL Collection a whole new meaning.

On topic however, what I find alarming is not how insane these rumors are, it's how it sounds veeeeery plausible for GW to do said rumors.

there's no pretty space marines

Are we really expecting perfect Latin from a company that can barely get clear rules in English?

 streamdragon wrote:
Are we really expecting perfect Latin from a company that can barely get clear rules in English?

Exactly this.

If you insert "fratrem pugno" into Google Translate, you come out with "Brother Fist" which probably was what BL did.

It goes right along with Murderfang the Murderclaw wielding dreadnought that suffers from Murderlust! GW probably thinks that its an incredibly funny bit of self-deprecating humour, when instead it just comes out as ridiculous and only cheapens the setting...

 streamdragon wrote:
Are we really expecting perfect Latin from a company that can barely get clear rules in English?

Burn!
I do like that they changed Necrons from mindless Terminators to sentient beings with goals and desires.
But then they just made them Tomb Kings in space.
Another example of GW having a good idea and ruining it in the execution.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:
I thought the original Necron vs. Blood Angels story in the "enemy of my enemy"-spirit was all right.

Necrons did not do "enemy of my enemy" until Ward got his hands on them. Eldar and Imperials? Tau and Imperials? These are factions that are capable of interacting on a level other than murder. Necrons and Space Marines? Not a fething chance.

Perhaps. But when the design brief was to change the dull old mono-dimensional Necrons, moving away from an uninspired "Terminator"-rip-off and turn them into something that is actually open to personalisation, hobby-creativity in painting/conversions and campaign-games by players with Necron-armies, then illustrating it - among other things - by showing they are now capable of basic military strategy and alliances of necessity sounds like the reasonable thing to do.

Otherwise, Necrons would still be stuck in the same dead-end Tyranids are still in. A "cool idea" for about 5 seconds, but nothing you can really do with it beyond that.

Necrons were kind of a mess conceptually in their original codex. They were a mix of traditional killer robots, straight horror, Lovecraftian horror, The Terminator, fantasy undead, ancient Egypt...etc. Meanwhile, the C'Tan -- who were apparently behind everything bad that's ever happened, including the Kennedy assassination, acid rain, the subprime mortgage crisis, and Cain slaying Abel -- received all the personality and intelligence, while the Necrons were nothing more than drones who walked around thinking only "EXTERMINATE...EXTERMINATE".

Pushing the Star Gods to the background and bringing the Necrons to the forefront of the NECRON codex was clearly the right move, IMO. The Necrons are much more interesting to me as CALCULATING villains.

To your point, as a Tyranid player I think the Tyranids are positioned perfectly. But yeah, the game only needs so many "faceless drone" armies.

 MWHistorian wrote:

 streamdragon wrote:
Are we really expecting perfect Latin from a company that can barely get clear rules in English?

Burn!
I do like that they changed Necrons from mindless Terminators to sentient beings with goals and desires.
But then they just made them Tomb Kings in space.
Another example of GW having a good idea and ruining it in the execution.

Agreed. They went a bit far with it. I'm (probably vainly) hoping it's been toned down a bit in this codex.

I do really like the Lovecraftian evil feel of the Necrons (like IA12), hope they brought some of that back too.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Gragga Da Krumpa wrote:
Just like 4e DnD, I dont have to play it.

Nor will I.

So you're rejecting an edition release 6+ months out that can be completely different than what some of the rumors are saying?

If its anything resembling the rumors, yes, yes I am.

I was looking into warhammer an alternative to 40k with more structured movement, regiments, block formations, etc. Total War on a table.

If thats not what the game will be, then I will play whatever edition it is that plays like that.

Hmm, and now to relate this to WFB. Why do I think that the 10th edition of Warhammer will include the C'tan as the cause of all this madness?