Continuing Rumors of WHFB 9th (Post-End Times) in Early Summer 2015

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**Sigvatr**

Malika2 wrote:
Hmm, and now to relate this to WFB. Why do I think that the 10th edition of Warhammer will include the C'tan as the cause of all this madness?

Not possible. The C'tan were mostly killed by The Deceiver's schemes long before the inferior races were even born. The Necrons were already fast asleep when the weaker ones started to thrive so them mixing up WHFS isn't going to happen.

**Vermis**

Gragga Da Krumpa wrote:

I was looking into warhammer an alternative to 40k with more structured movement, regiments, block formations, etc. Total War on a table.

If thats not what the game will be, then I will play whatever edition it is that plays like that.

Or one of many excellent, minis-compatible fantasy wargames that play like that.

**ClockworkZion**

Listening to the most recent 40k Radio and they recommended for people who are looking to get into Fantasy to NOT do so right now because "something is coming" (they wouldn't go further to not reveal too much and risk their contact).

Just if anyone was wanting some more confirmation that there were changes coming.

**Kanluwen**

You mean if anyone was wanting some more rumors that there were changes coming.

**ClockworkZion**

Kanluwen wrote:
You mean if anyone was wanting some more rumors that there were changes coming.

It's 40k Radio. I don't know that they've missed anything they've "predicted" yet.

**RiTides**

I think the fact that there are "changes coming" is pretty much indisputable at this point, Kan

**malfred**

So when will this all come to light? June? May?

Need to know when to check back into the thread because it seems pretty pointless to follow from here on out.

**Kanluwen**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
You mean if anyone was wanting some more rumors that there were changes coming.

It's 40k Radio. I don't know that they've missed anything they've "predicted" yet.

They've gotten five misses, sixty-one trues.

So they HAVE missed some things.

RiTides wrote:I think the fact that there are "changes coming" is pretty much indisputable at this point, Kan

Did I say there were no changes coming?

Nope! Just saying that as of right now we have nothing but rumors.

**ClockworkZion**

The only change big enough to tell people to not start WFB that I can think of is a new edition.

And good to know about the misses. I wasn't aware of that.

**Kid_Kyoto**

MonumentOfRibs wrote:
I'm quite apprehensive about this. Im all for change and all, but if the Lizardmen have indeed been squatted then that is a slap in the face to customer relations.
Regarding the limited runs of models, would GW manage to retain ownership of the IP if they no longer produce the model?? If that be the case I could see some of the quality third party manufacturers doing their own versions of the most popular models once they are no longer available

Yes, out of print/production does not equal out of copyright.

I don't know what the copyright duration is for models, but for most things it's decades and decades.

That being said GW can only copyright one interpretation of an idea, they cannot copyright 'spikey dude on spikey horse'. So long as a 3rd party is not recasting their figures GW has a very weak case (though they can try to bully small manufacturers)

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Wonderwolf wrote:
Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

Becuase when he left, GW expunged his works from the records and didn't use any of what he was working on when he left at all. Oh no.

And as pointed out above, he's said he wrote it.

Well, they did a whole campaign series around Blood Angels & Necrons bro-fisting, including a BL advent story with a Necrons/Blood Angels strike cruiser called Fratrem Pugno, literally "Brother Fist" or, if you're so inclined "Bro Fist"

Assuming this is true, it is my new favorite thing in the whole multiverse for at least the next day or two.

Have a thumbs up Black Library

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Charles Rampant wrote:

Actually, fratrem pugno means "I fight my brother". Source: Latin degree.

This is getting off topic, however.

My whole night is ruined.

**ProtoClone**

OK, so I just heard about this End Time. I am really interested in the story of it more than the game, where can I get a summary of what is/has happened?

I have seen 1d4chan had a summary...but I kind of was hoping for something a little more serious in it's telling.

**AlexHolker**

ProtoClone wrote:
OK, so I just heard about this End Time. I am really interested in the story of it more than the game, where can I get a summary of what is/has happened?

I have seen 1d4chan had a summary...but I kind of was hoping for something a little more serious in it's telling.

This Warseer Thread might help. From Giant Stegadon's summary of the first three books:

Giant Stegadon wrote:NAGASH: Archaon is in the north, Chaos people are pumped they'll win. Mazdamundi declares the Great Plan of the Old Ones has failed & Lizardmen must exodus (no more info). Orcs may be on a big Waaagh. Brettonia is in civil war with the Vampire part of Brettonia, the Bret king (Louen) is probably dead, and it turns out The Green Knight is revealed to be Gilles le Breton. Tilea & Estalia are completely overrun by Skaven. Kislev is leveled by Chaos.

Because of Chaos rising earlier than expected, Nagash needs to be brought back now. Manfred allies with Arkan & they get crap for Nagash. Nagash is resurrected with 8 mortals of divine blood. Teclis doesn't tell anyone the Elven princess isn't the daughter of the Phoenix King Finubar (who might be dead) but really she's Tyrion's secret kid with the High Elf Queen so that screws up Nagash's thing (Curse of Aenarion). Balthasar Gelt makes an awesome magic wall to fend off the initial Chaos hordes, but in a series of wacky misunderstandings ends up a Necromancer & flies away with the Vlad (he's back too- United Undead will likely be anyone's allies in 9th). The Beast magic guy takes over as head of magic. Karl Franz is seriously wounded in a big battle at the magic wall. Nagash goes down to crush the resistant Tomb Kings. Probably consumes the Dwarven ancestor god Valaya, definitely consumes the Khermian Death god. Nagash is now the container for Death magic. At the end, Chaos is probably going to get Settra on their team (so Undead will be anyone's allies in 9th).

GLOTTKIN: Nurgle's army rolls out into the Empire first. Marienburg is destroyed-turns out there was a Vampire there all along too but he sucks at fighting. The Glottkin (3 brothers, one is the monster) lead a 3 prong army to tear up the Empire. Talabheim is sacked. Empire & Brettonia fight the Chaos Legion at Aldorf (yeah the capital) & its gets trashed. The Bret king we thought was dead, isn't & bleeds light, but dies for real this time. Festus dies. Kurt Helborg gets stabbed in the eye & dies. Karl Franz comes back but dies. THEN a comet thing comes down & he's back & super awesome & (almost) kills Glottkin but they cast a spell & escape. Aldorf (& most of the Empire) was afflicted by weird Nurgle thorns growing everywhere is suddenly cleansed and everything is okay. Except tons of people are dead & everything is wrecked. Vampires continue to fight with humans (please buy some skeletons!).

KHAINE: This focuses only on the Elves. Valkia leads a Khorne army into Naggaroth (she dies) & they destroy 3 of the big tower cities. Malekith decides to just abandon the whole thing & invade Ulthuan (why not?)- he's also pissy with his mom. Ulthuan defends against a big demon invasion then the Druchii show up. Teclis sides with Malekith (he has a big plan-also Finubar is for real dead) & a gigantic civil war erupts (Imrik goes with Malekith). Tyrion leads the other half & pulls the Sword of Khaine (Widowmaker)- Tyrion is also super sad about his kid dying. The Wood Elves show up. Tyrion becomes as mean as Malekith but he's still supposed to be the bad guy since he's under Khaine influence (some Dark Elves are now with him too).

For some reason, Malekith was always supposed to be the Phoenix King & walks through the flames so he's the real king now (deal with it). All the Elves end up at the Magic Vortex & fight. Oh that Vortex? The thing that's held Chaos at bay this whole time? Teclis' plan is to undo it & infuse mortals with the winds of magic to fight Chaos-this is somehow a legitimate plan. The Shadow King guy kills Tyrion with an arrow & also shoots Malekith for kicks but he lives. Morathi, who was influencing Tyrion, gets taken by Slaanesh. Ulthuan sinks since the Vortex is gone- with Teclis sitting next to Tyrion/Khaine going with it (Teclis' staff now has/had Light Magic btw). Everyone uses the World Roots to escape to Athel Loren- since that's now the only Elf place left GW hasn't wiped off the map. King Malekith marries the Wood Elf queen girl (he's the new Shadow container, she's the Life one). All 100 Elves that survived this now get to live in the forest. The Beast Men make an appearance for them to murder. Its implied Karl Franz got Heavens Magic when he was resurrected in Glottkin & turns out Lileath used all her power to cure the Empire so she's not a god anymore (I don't understand how gods work here now). A bunch of other crap happens with Elven gods dying & new ones being appointed (Araloth...)- a poorly thought out cyclical metaphor. This is the worst book.

**Fayric**

ClockworkZion wrote:
Listening to the most recent 40k Radio and they recommended for people who are looking to get into Fantasy to NOT do so right now because "something is coming" (they wouldn't go further to not reveal too much and risk their contact).

Just if anyone was wanting some more confirmation that there were changes coming.

Hm, I was thinking the opposite. If you want to get in to (warhammer) Fantasy, this is your last chanse. I dont expect the model range to survive intact for long given these rumors.
If ulthuan has sunken, Id better get my hands on some white lions before they all drown (despite having 100+ unpainted other high elves in waiting)

**AlexHolker**

Fayric wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
Listening to the most recent 40k Radio and they recommended for people who are looking to get into Fantasy to NOT do so right now because "something is coming" (they wouldn't go further to not reveal too much and risk their contact).

Just if anyone was wanting some more confirmation that there were changes coming.

Hm, I was thinking the opposite. If you want to get in to (warhammer) Fantasy, this is your last chanse. I dont expect the model range to survive intact for long given these rumors.
If ulthuan has sunken, Id better get my hands on some white lions before they all drown (despite having 100+ unpainted other high elves in waiting)

If you want the miniatures for their own sake, sure. If the Witch Elves weren't ridiculously overpriced I'd be buying them now before GW took a sledgehammer to the moulds. But if I actually expected to use them in the game, buying them now would leave me with a bunch of shelfwarmers once 9th edition came in and cut three factions down to three units.

**Lockark**

AlexHolker wrote:
Fayric wrote:
ClockworkZion wrote:
Listening to the most recent 40k Radio and they recommended for people who are looking to get into Fantasy to NOT do so right now because "something is coming" (they wouldn't go further to not reveal too much and risk their contact).

Just if anyone was wanting some more confirmation that there were changes coming.

Hm, I was thinking the opposite. If you want to get in to (warhammer) Fantasy, this is your last chanse. I dont expect the model range to survive intact for long given these rumors.
If ulthuan has sunken, Id better get my hands on some white lions before they all drown (despite having 100+ unpainted other high elves in waiting)

If you want the miniatures for their own sake, sure. If the Witch Elves weren't ridiculously overpriced I'd be buying them now before GW took a sledgehammer to the moulds. But if I actually expected to use them in the game, buying them now would leave me with a bunch of shelfwarmers once 9th edition came in and cut three factions down to three units.

I don't think they will cut any plastic units, especially newer plastics like witches. I'm expecting anything not in plastic that's still fine cast to get axed at this point.

**H.B.M.C.**

This is Games "Destroy remaining stock rather than sell it at a discount" Workshop, so I wouldn't put it past them.

**Grot 6**

Saw the books today.

Say goodbye to fantasy....

Put a fork in it, its done.

Hostility isn't going to be even the level to describe the ravenous hordes that are going to be baying at it in the next few months. The above description is about on par with what's going on and then the stuff coming up is pretty much on par with what we've seen in the past with TSR, trying to justify selling everything with D and D tagged on it for fun.

Its Deja Vu all over again.

**Accolade**

Grot 6 wrote:
Saw the books today.

Say goodbye to fantasy....

Put a fork in it, its done.

Hostility isn't going to be even the level to describe the ravenous hordes that are going to be baying at it in the next few months. The above description is about on par with what's going on and then the stuff coming up is pretty much on par with what we've seen in the past with TSR, trying to justify selling everything with D and D tagged on it for fun.

Its Deja Vu all over again.

Wait wait wait- are you saying you've seen the 9th edition book(s)?

**AlexHolker**

Lockark wrote:
I don't think they will cut any plastic units, especially newer plastics like witches. I'm expecting anything not in plastic that's still fine cast to get axed at this point.

It's possible that you are correct. If only there was some way for Games Workshop to assuage these fears, to let people know that their strategy for WHFB - which of late could be accurately described as "apocalyptic" - is nothing to worry about.

**H.B.M.C.**

Accolade wrote:
Grot 6 wrote:
Saw the books today.

Say goodbye to fantasy....

Put a fork in it, its done.

Hostility isn't going to be even the level to describe the ravenous hordes that are going to be baying at it in the next few months. The above description is about on par with what's going on and then the stuff coming up is pretty much on par with what we've seen in the past with TSR, trying to justify selling everything with D and D tagged on it for fun.

Its Deja Vu all over again.

Wait wait wait- are you saying you've seen the 9th edition book(s)?

Yeah, please clarify. You saw what books exactly?

**Grot 6**

Accolade wrote:
Grot 6 wrote:
Saw the books today.

Say goodbye to fantasy....

Put a fork in it, its done.

Hostility isn't going to be even the level to describe the ravenous hordes that are going to be baying at it in the next few months. The above description is about on par with what's going on and then the stuff coming up is pretty much on par with what we've seen in the past with TSR, trying to justify selling everything with D and D tagged on it for fun.

Its Deja Vu all over again.

Wait wait wait- are you saying you've seen the 9th edition book(s)?

I'm saying go talk to your FLGS and see what they have to tell you. Books I'm referring to are the ones Giant Stegadon discussed above. These are the first couple. we're going to see a couple more, then the set up for 9th... Nurgles mom has got it going on, though.

**Accolade**

Oh man, you had me shocked there for a second thinking that there already sightings of this book which isn't rumored to be out till April-ish.

I'm familiar with all of the End Times books' lore; it all seems to be setting up for the what's rumored to be going on in 9th.

**Charles Rampant**

I'm kinda bored of waiting for 9th edition now. My fantasy-hobby-fu is so low right now, I actually started painting a Weirdboy today. A weirdboy! A unit usually so low on my painting priorities that I had to re-read his unit entry to find out what his special rules were!

I'd just like to know what the devil is going on.

**Accolade**

EDIT: Wrong thread

**Alpharius**

I'm sorry - but is the Grotster talking about the End Times books that have been coming out for months now already?

**AlexHolker**

Alpharius wrote:
I'm sorry - but is the Grotster talking about the End Times books that have been coming out for months now already?

Yes.

**Accolade**

Hey, did you guys hear GW is doing a massive narrative campaign called Storm of Chaos where they allow their whole customer base to help direct the action?

**Eldarain**

I did. I think it's going to be great. With Gav Thorpe at the narrative helm what could go wrong?

**Torga_DW**

Grot 6 wrote:
Saw the books today.

Say goodbye to fantasy....

Put a fork in it, its done.

Hostility isn't going to be even the level to describe the ravenous hordes that are going to be baying at it in the next few months. The above description is about on par with what's going on and then the stuff coming up is pretty much on par with what we've seen in the past with TSR, trying to justify selling everything with D and D tagged on it for fun.

Its Deja Vu all over again.

Do you think they'll include a pamphlet that lets you try to play what remains of your 8th edition armies in the new 9th edition called ravenous hordes?

**JohnHwangDD**

Nope, no Ravening Hordes. GW learned that with the WFB 5E-6E changeover, and will never do that again.

WFB 8E Army Books will be compatible with 9E rules, but 8E Army Books will not be so competitive with true 9E Armies.