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There needs to be some Yuuzhan Vong models, not that they would ever side with the imperials.

Mandos should be troops or independent characters (combat squad)(perfered enemy: force users and Yuuzhan Vong)
Why cant they ride speeder bikes? Or have missile launchers/miniguns?
note: a mandalorian sword is called a 'beskad' and their armor is called 'beskar' and they use the same weapons as regular soldiers, except maybe MC (especially verpine stuff).
A beskad can block a lightsaber with little to no ill efects, it should provide a 4+ invulnerable save in CC.

For the heavy stormies, give them a multi-laser instead of lascannon and call it a tripod mounted E-WEB

Plz include wookie slaves, can fix like a probe droid but also fight in CC but might defect on the battlefield (failed leadership maybe) once the handler with force whip is dead.

Shadow troopers should instead be imperial commandos, shadow trooper should be an upgrade (commandos have fear, shadow troopers replace that with stealth, scout, etc.)

As for fortifications, in addition to lascannons/quad guns on the ADL and bastions, have shield generators.

Needs an imperial scout droid/probe (beginning of episode IV)

All in all, I am very impressed!
I admire your patience in this line of work, I certainly don't have it.

 Bluefalcon23 wrote:
There needs to be some Yuuzhan Vong models, not that they would ever side with the imperials.

I'll probably make a serparate faction for the Vong, although I am less familiar with their story so if you could help in that area it'd be great.

Mandos should be troops or independent characters (combat squad)(perfered enemy: force users and Yuuzhan Vong)

Preferred enemy: Force Users and Yuuzhan Vong might be nice, but the mandalorians should NOT be a troop choice. Maybe I will give them their own mini-dex next and make them troops in that.

Why cant they ride speeder bikes? Or have missile launchers/miniguns?

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The difficulties of having a jump-infantry model gaining a jet bike is pretty complicated. At best the unit becomes jet-bike infantry and it pays for a jump pack it cant use. Not exactly worth it. They already have a flamer, hunter-killer missile, and a blaster. As a warband working with the emprie they likely won't have the other heavy weapons you are talking about. When they get they're own mini-dex I will let them take heavier weapons.

note: a mandalorian sword is called a 'beskad' and their armor is called 'beskar' and they use the same weapons as regular soldiers, except maybe MC (especially verpine stuff).
A beskad can block a lightsaber with little to no ill efects, it should provide a 4+ invulnerable save in CC.

I disagree with this. First off, Mandalorians often use custom weapons and gear for their own personal preferences so giving them higher powered assault oriented blasters was my way of representing this. I did NOT give any Mandalorians Verpine weapons. I gave that to the Emperor's Hand which have access to every asset available to the Empire, and would of course pick the best weapons available( speaking of the Hand, check out the Gun of Control they can take. Pretty sweet right?)
Secondly Mandalorian iron is extremely potent, but it does not help the user block lasers or anything like that( which is what a lightsaber does). Invulnerable saves differ from other saves in that they represent things like force-fields, or users that dodge extremely quickly. Rather I represented amazing properties of Beskad by making it S+3 ap4.

For the heavy stormies, give them a multi-laser instead of lascannon and call it a tripod mounted E-WEB

I might try this. Good idea.

Plz include wookie slaves, can fix like a probe droid but also fight in CC but might defect on the battlefield (failed leadership maybe) once the handler with force whip is dead.

I'm not sure how to implement this idea although it is cool.

Shadow troopers should instead be imperial commandos, shadow trooper should be an upgrade (commandos have fear, shadow troopers replace that with stealth, scout, etc.)

I think I'll try this. Its a good idea.

As for fortifications, in addition to lascannons/quad guns on the ADL and bastions, have shield generators.

I think that the currently available fortifications do a good job representing Imperial bases, just have to model accordingly. ( Void Shield Generator= Shield Generator)

Needs an imperial scout droid/probe (beginning of episode IV)

Do you mean Ep V?

All in all, I am very impressed!
I admire your patience in this line of work, I certainly don't have it.

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback.

Warning: big post incoming

Needs an imperial scout droid/probe (beginning of episode IV)

Do you mean Ep V?

I've done it, I've lost all credibility (not really, but I'm still very disappointed).

note: a mandalorian sword is called a 'beskad' and their armor is called 'beskar' and they use the same weapons as regular soldiers, except maybe MC (especially verpine stuff).
A beskad can block a lightsaber with little to no ill efects, it should provide a 4+ invulnerable save in CC.

I disagree with this. First off, Mandalorians often use custom weapons and gear for their own personal preferences so giving them higher powered assault oriented blasters was my way of representing this. I did NOT give any Mandalorians Verpine weapons. I gave that to the Emperor's Hand which have access to every asset available to the Empire, and would of course pick the best weapons available( speaking of the Hand, check out the Gun of Control they can take. Pretty sweet right?)
Secondly Mandalorian iron is extremely potent, but it does not help the user block lasers or anything like that( which is what a lightsaber does). Invulnerable saves differ from other saves in that they represent things like force-fields, or users that dodge extremely quickly. Rather I represented amazing properties of Beskad by making it S+3 ap4.

"The man staggered, turned, and swept the lightsaber across him, but it skidded off his neck plate."

Sourced directly from the expanded universe (and now non canon ) books, in this case Star Wars: Republic Commando: Order 66 by Karen Traviss (page 408, chapter 22). In this scene, a Jedi tries to behead Kal Skirata, a mandalorian, with a lightsaber, but due to Skirata's armor, the lightsaber bounces right off. A sword made of this material would easily pary a lightsaber. Hence the invuln save in CC only.
Wookiepedia (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Beskad) also states that these are effective weapons against lightsabers.

As for the verpine rifles, Kal Skirata, from above, along with his clone trooper 'family' make extensive use of verpine weaponry. At least two other mandos (one by the name of Ghez Hokan), including Boba Fett use this kind of weaponry, in fact, more mandalorians are mentioned using them than anyone else (hordes of verpine soldiers don't count).
Many mercs (including myself) affiliated with the Maldalorian Mercs (http://mercs.firespray.net/forum/index.php) use verpines as our main weapons. Im not sure if that represents real mandalorians, but an interesting side note nonetheless.
Mandalorians would also have access to the best weapons available (in addition to the emperor's hand), mainly because their services are so costly and their combat skill is of such high regard. They have the ability to buy and trade firearms deemed illegal because their planetary government doesn't really exist and they can outwit most police forces.

I'll start getting to work on the Yuuzhan Vong rules, though I dont know quite how to evaluate points values and will need assistance with that.


I cant wait to field storm troopers now, just found the old box filled with that kind of stuff .
Cheers!

Side note: I loved the Clone Commando books although never finished the series.
Back on topic: You've made some great points in here. I'm going to add in a 4+ invul save in cc for them and make verpine weapons a purchasable upgrade.
Also I have a bunch of Wizards of the Coast Star Wars minis I'm going to use to field the Imperials. The vehicles I'll build off of existing 40k ones for the tanks, and I know some of the ship models from the 80s-90s would be pretty good, and they're like 20ish$


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If you started working on the Vong that would be AWESOME. Usually I come up with rules first and then match the points accordingly. I also overprice them a little on purpose to make it so people will willingly play them.

Verpine pistol and sniper are now purchaseable upgrades for Mandalorian Warbands.

Here is the updated Verpine rules:
Verpine - you add 2 to the die when determining to-wound rolls to a maximum 6. Rolls of 1 always count as failure to wound.

Stormtroopers: BS 0.

 Bluefalcon23 wrote:
Warning: big post incoming

Needs an imperial scout droid/probe (beginning of episode IV)

Do you mean Ep V?

I've done it, I've lost all credibility (not really, but I'm still very disappointed).

note: a mandalorian sword is called a 'beskad' and their armor is called 'beskar' and they use the same weapons as regular soldiers, except maybe MC (especially verpine stuff).
A beskad can block a lightsaber with little to no ill efects, it should provide a 4+ invulnerable save in CC.

I disagree with this. First off, Mandalorians often use custom weapons and gear for their own personal preferences so giving them higher powered assault oriented blasters was my way of representing this. I did NOT give any Mandalorians Verpine weapons. I gave that to the Emperor's Hand which have access to every asset available to the Empire, and would of course pick the best weapons available( speaking of the Hand, check out the Gun of Control they can take. Pretty sweet right?)
Secondly Mandalorian iron is extremely potent, but it does not help the user block lasers or anything like that( which is what a lightsaber does). Invulnerable saves differ from other saves in that they represent things like force-fields, or users that dodge extremely quickly. Rather I represented amazing properties of Beskad by making it S+3 ap4.

"The man staggered, turned, and swept the lightsaber across him, but it skidded off his neck plate."

Sourced directly from the expanded universe (and now non canon ) books, in this case Star Wars: Republic Commando: Order 66 by Karen Traviss (page 408, chapter 22). In this scene, a Jedi tries to behead Kal Skirata, a mandalorian, with a lightsaber, but due to Skirata's armor, the lightsaber bounces right off. A sword made of this material would easily pary a lightsaber. Hence the invuln save in CC only.
Wookiepedia (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Beskad) also states that these are effective weapons against lightsabers.

As for the verpine rifles, Kal Skirata, from above, along with his clone trooper 'family' make extensive use of verpine weaponry. At least two other mandos (one by the name of Ghez Hokan), including Boba Fett use this kind of weaponry, in fact, more mandalorians are mentioned using them than anyone else (hordes of verpine soldiers don't count).
Many mercs (including myself) affiliated with the Maldalorian Mercs (http://mercs.firespray.net/forum/index.php) use verpines as our main weapons. Im not sure if that represents real mandalorians, but an interesting side note nonetheless.
Mandalorians would also have access to the best weapons available (in addition to the emperor's hand), mainly because their services are so costly and their combat skill is of such high regard. They have the ability to buy and trade firearms deemed illegal because their planetary government doesn't really exist and they can outwit most police forces.

I'll start getting to work on the Yuuzhan Vong rules, though I dont know quite how to evaluate points values and will need assistance with that.


I cant wait to field storm troopers now, just found the old box filled with that kind of stuff .
Cheers!

How are the Vong rules coming along? Also I'm thinking of adding General Veers( unique tank commander character) and grand moff tarkin as characters. I can make veers fairly easy, but I am less knowledge of how to implement tarkin. Although he should definitely have stubborn

Here's what I have for General Veers:
General Veers: 150pts
Ws 4 Bs4 s3 t3 w2 I3 A1 ld10 4+
Infantry (unique)

Wargear: Hot-Shot Laspistol, Orbital Bombardment Array, Multi -Track Targeter, Stormtrooper armor

Special Rules:
For the Emperor, Imperial Tank Commander, Maximum Firepower, Independent Character, split fire,

*Maximum Firepower- If the vehicle General Veers is in has not moved in the movement phase then it may fire one weapon at full ballistic skill one additional time

For the vong, I finally decided on this... (will become it's own thread) (Big spoiler, but no pics)

Note, this is a separate army from the Imperials listed elsewhere on this thread

Yuuzhan Vong Warrior Squad (Troops)

 Bluefalcon23 wrote:
For the vong, I finally decided on this... (will become it's own thread) (Big spoiler, but no pics)

Note, this is a separate army from the Imperials listed elsewhere on this thread

Yuuzhan Vong Warrior Squad (Troops)

Spoiler:

Ws4 Bs2 s4 t4 w1 I3 A2 ld8 3+
Ws4 Bs2 s4 t4 w2 I3 A2 ld9 3+ (Champion)
Infantry

Composition:
4 Warriors, 1 Champion

Wargear:
Amphistaff (see below)
Vonduun Crab armor (power armor)
Thud Bugs (frag and krak grenades)

Special rules:
Fearless
Bulky
Fear
Feel no pain 6+
Furious Charge
Hatred(Droids and Jedi)
Extreme Hatred (droid)

Upgrades:
May take up to 5 extra warriors
Up to 2 models may take...
-Blast Bug (missile launcher w/ soul blaze)
-Fire spitter (flamer)
-plasma eels (plasma cannon)
Entire unit may replace amphistaffs with...
-two coufees
Champion may take
-plaeryin bol (digital weapons)

Amphistaff:
Venom Spit:
- Range: 12in S: AP: Type: assault 1, poison 4+
Whip:
- Range: - S:+1 AP: 5 Type: Melee, Shred, unwieldy, poison 4+, no bonus attacks for any reason
Spear
- Range: - S: +2 AP: 4 Type: Melee, poison 4+

Coufee:
regular cc weapon

Extreme hatred:
-all wounds caused by a unit with extreme hatred must be allocated to the specified unit type first

I like it. I'll add 'droid' to the maintenance Droid and dark trooper profiles.
The Yuuzhan Vong would be Come the Apocalypse allies with the Imperials.

Here is an idea for the imperials.

Yuuzhan Vong Hunter Killer Combat Droid (sorry, I cant figure out the right points cost)

With toughness 6 (and functionally s6) were probably talking 85+ per model. I like the idea and these guys look like they should take up a non FOC slot of 1 per HQ choice
I think they DEFINITELY should have relentless.
For the Vong I think the thud bugs should be twinlinked and they should cost 110pts and able to purchase each other model at 22ppm

Stormtroopers are now 16pts per model. -decreased from 18ppm.
(they were overcosted)
Emperor's hand( no upgrades) base cost was decreased from 150 to 130pts

I like this! My dreams of a Mando army have come true!

Ok couldn't come up with a straight up 'codex' for them, but here is a Mandalorian Formation:

Mandalorian Crusade:
1 - Boba Fett
0-2 Mandalorian Captain
0-6 Mandalorian Warbands
0-3 Bassilisk War Droids*

Bassilisk War Droid- 200pts
Ws4 Bs 4 S7 T7 W4 I4 A2 Ld10 SV2+
Jump Monstrous Creature
Wargear:
Two Multilasers, Typhoon Missile Launcher

Stormtroopers dropped to 14ppm. They were still overcosted despite a previous price drop.

A little scared to open this can of worms but... are we sure Stormtroopers would be 3+ and not 4+? If we're going on the EU, Rebel SpecForce units used slugthrowers(aka autorifles again plain old guns) to penetrate Stormtrooper armor. I think most in-game weapons rated at AP4(Heavy Bolters and autocannons come to mind) would probably get AP against such armor. This would also help keep points down.

Stormtroopers confers a 4+ save.
Katarn armor however confers a 3+ save.


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The following list is an example of a Mandalorian Crusade and comes to a total of 1,820 pts:
Mandalorian Crusade:

Warlord
Boba Fett- 220

Elites
Mandalorian Warband 260pts
4 Mandalorians with Mandalorian pistol, Mandalorian Sword, and Thermal Detonators

Mandalorian Warband 260pts
4 Mandalorians with Mandalorian pistol, Mandalorian Sword, and Thermal Detonators

Mandalorian Warband 195pts
3 Mandalorians with Mandalorian pistol, Mandalorian Sword, and Thermal Detonators

Mandalorian Warband 195pts
3 Mandalorians with Mandalorian pistol, Mandalorian Sword, and Thermal Detonators

Mandalorian Warband 195pts
3 Mandalorians with Mandalorian pistol, Mandalorian Sword, and Thermal Detonators

Mandalorian Warband 195pts
3 Mandalorians with Mandalorian pistol, Mandalorian Sword, and Thermal Detonators

Heavy Support:
Bassilisk War Droid- 150pts

Bassilisk War Droid- 150pts

Exalted. There's lots of neat stuff here, most of which I can't comment sensibly on because I don't know the EU. But I'd love to see Veers and Tarkin characters; I remember being a little kid and being the only one who wanted to be Tarkin.... He probably needs some kind of commissar-like power and/or extra warlord traits to reflect that he sits in a safe place, "motivating" others, rather than leading from the front.

Thank you, I'm glad you like it!

I'm very proud of this project, it really seems to feel like the Star Wars Empire should. There are a LOT of different types of builds you can make with it to fit your fancy as well.

As for your requests, there is a General Veers character right now, but he is a little bland.

Tarkin would be an awesome character to add. I'm going to work on making his profile. Any ideas what his abilites should be?

Tarkin:
- Commissar-style "don't retreat or I'll kill you."
- Reserve roll manipulation to represent his authority over vast resources
- Fairly squishy in melee but with some kind of super "look out sir!" to represent his ability to get people to take bullets for him
- extra Lord of War slot because Tarkin loves BIg Things?

Veers has such a brief appearance in the actual films, I'm not sure what more to do than you've already got. Maybe HE should unlock an extra LoW slot?

I like that idea! I'll add it in.


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How is this?
Grand Moff Tarkin: 150pts (jut pulled a point value out of the air on this one, probably needs adjusting)
Ws 4 Bs 5 S3 T3 W3 I4 A1 Ld10 Sv5+
Infantry (unique)
Warlord Trait: Supreme Command- You may choose whether to pass or fail any leadership tests for any unit within 12” of Grand Moff Tarkin.

Wargear:
Hot Shot Laspistol, Flak Armor,

Special Rules:
Independent Character, Stubborn, Grand Moff*, Master Strategist*,


Grand Moff- If a model with this rule is taken as part of your detachment, you may include a second LOW in a Combined Arms Detachment. In addition, if a model with the Grand Moff rule joins a unit all other models in the unit gain the Protective Detail* special rule.
Master Strategist- As long as a model with this rule lives you may steal the initiative on a roll of 4+. In addition you may re-roll failed reserve rolls.
Protective Detail- Models with this rule reroll failed Look Out Sir attempts for models with the Grand Moff rule.

Heh. He needs to shoot people in the head more, I think. Also automatically seizing the initiative without having to roll is probably overpowered.

Also: "Tarkin may take the Death Star as a Dedicated Transport."

Heh. He needs to shoot people in the head more, I think. Also automatically seizing the initiative without having to roll is probably overpowered

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Except, Takin never really did that. Vader was always the one who went around killing people who failed him. In fact he stopped Vader from carrying out one of his force choke executions. ( Which is a testament of how badass he is considering Vader actually listened to him.)
I'm going to change it to being able to seize the initiative on a 4+. That's a 50% chance for it to happen which is still really good.

. Also: "Tarkin may take the Death Star as a Dedicated Transport."

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Now, now no shenanigans here. We have to give 40k universe a chance

(exalted btw, made me laugh)

He could stand to have an Orbital Strike type attack at his disposal as a reference to the Death Star.

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:

Heh. He needs to shoot people in the head more, I think. Also automatically seizing the initiative without having to roll is probably overpowered

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Except, Takin never really did that. Vader was always the one who went around killing people who failed him. In fact he stopped Vader from carrying out one of his force choke executions. ( Which is a testament of how badass he is considering Vader actually listened to him.)

Apparently Tarkin executes two subordinates in an episode of Star Wars:Rebels. Which I haven't actually seen, but read about.
I may or may not have played the preview clips of Tarkin over and over again. On advice of counsel I will exercise my right against self-incrimination. But Tarkin snarks so beautifully.

And yes, the original Star Wars (New Hope, Episode IV, whatever) states outright that Tarkin has seniority over Vader -- he's "holding Vader's leash," in Leia's words. If I were to rewrite the prequel films, I'd make him a major character, rather than shoehorning him in without lines at the end.
Also I'd excise Padme Amidala and make Luke & Leia's mother a Sith, but that's getting too far off topic.

 SisterSydney wrote:

Also I'd excise Padme Amidala and make Luke & Leia's mother a Sith, but that's getting too far off topic.

As long as she is still Natalie Portman. She stole my heart with that rap on SNL. And she was able to pull off the shaved head look almost as well as me!

Well I just wish that Obi wan and satine had become Mandalorian warriors, and that THEIR child was the one that defeated Vader so I guess none of us get what we want.

So does anyone have any problems with my pricing for the stormtroopers?

I took the stats from the stormtrooper units in the IG codex( which are universally believed to be overcosted), removed deepstrike, and added the Concentrate Fire and For the Emperor! special rules.


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Also please let me know what you think of the following special rule.

Shadowed Purpose -Models with this rule can only join/ be joined by units.models that also have the rule. Models with rule may gain the invisibility rule for one turn if they opt not to fire their weapons in the shooting phase and as long as they are not in an ongoing assault

(This is different then it was before as the unit originally just had the invisibility special rule all the time. Now the power cannot be used the turn they shoot so it becomes a choice of survivability or killing power. Also it cannot be activated on a turn that the unit is locked in assault so it does not become broken in that way either

Self-Destruct Protocols- If a vehicle with this special rule loses all of its hull points then the player controlling it may place a S10 ap1 large blast over the vehicle and scatter it the full distance. Keep rolling the scatter die until an arrow is rolled.

( I wanted to represent the suicidal nature of the Tie Maulers and let their main purpose to be to run up to the enemy guns blazing and then explode in their face when they die. A single S10 ap1 large blast is NOT overpowered, and it actually runs the risk of blowing up the rest of the squadron before they can even make it close enough to do damage.

Mandalorian -models with this special rule have the following: Fearless, Honor or Death( characters only), stealth. In addition models with the Mandalorian special rule may use their jump-packs both in the movement phase and the assault phase during the same turn.

First let me say that the Mandalorian units in this codex are pretty expensive, and definitely need as much help as they can get in fulfilling their jobs as elite super jet pack troopers. giving them better use of their jet packs and fearless to make sure they don't just run off the table helps them get where they are going (although they will actually lose more wound in cc because of this) Honor or Death is there purely for fluff reasons

Lying in Wait- A model with this special rule may attempt a charge on Turn 1 regardless if they infiltrated or scouted that turn. Models charged by this unit on Turn 1 then gains an additional attack in the assault phase for that turn only.

I have a feeling that a LOT of people will be up in arms about this rule. However let me quell your fear by first stating that it is only available on 1 very specific assault-oriented T3 unit that also happens to be pretty expensive. This rule will not make the codex broken and in fact actually grants a bonus to the enemy unit thats charged to counter-act any possible brokenness.

Hired Bounty - If the model with this rule kills the highest point value character or independent character in the opponents army then you gain D3 Victory Points. If there are no characters in the opponents army then the single highest point value model in the army must be slain instead. The model with this rule gains the Preferred Enemy rule when attacking this specific model's unit

This is a really cool special rule for Boba Fett that fits his character perfectly. I love how it makes you want to send him after whatever big and 'ard warlord or Monstrous creature is out there in the game ( also if an imperial knight happens to be the warlord it qualifies for the rule because it will be at least a 370 point character

Stormtrooper pricing, let me see:

Stormtrooper Platoon 70pts: (4 stormtroopers + 1 stormtrooper sgt.)
Spoiler:
Ws 4 Bs 4 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 Ld8 Sv4+
Ws 4 Bs 4 S3 T3 W1 I3 A1 Ld8 Sv4+ (sgt)


I'm going to follow my variation of Ovion's excellent (albeit not perfect) method:

Start with AM/IG Veterans: 60 pts per 10 (w/ sergeant)
Downgrade sergeant to regular trooper, as we only want basic troop cost: -10
Upgrade to carapace armour: +15
NET: 65 points per 10 models = 6.5 points per model

Add +1 WS: +2 ppm
Add +1 Ld: +1 ppm
Replace lasgun w/ hotshot lasgun: +2, at a guess
Add pistol: +2 pts
Replace Orders with "For the Emperor" and "Concentrate Fire": a wash?
Total additions per model: +6

So I'd get 12.5 points per basic grunt Stormtrooper, a little cheaper than the 14 ppm you have -- probably appropriate given that Tac Marines have better armor, weapons, strength, and toughness for 14 points.

PS: I'm not sure how the squad can take an AT-AT as a dedicated transport -- which by definition doesn't take a FOC slot -- and have the AT-AT still take a Lord of War slot.