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I would be happy with this simple "Command Benefit" or whatever for a Night Lords army: First turn is Night if the player chooses, and all Night Lords have Night Vision.

Just so damn fluffy.

Poly Ranger wrote:

 Perfect Organism wrote:
Honestly, when you compare the Craftworld Eldar with Orks (generally considered one of the weakest codexes) there isn't really a colossal gap in many cases.

Compare eldar jetbikes with ork deffkoptas for example: the eldar is a bit more maneuverable, their survivability is similar (with the edge going to the ork in most cases) and the eldar has a bit more firepower and the ork costs a little more. Knock five points off the deffkopta's cost and let them take a character to lead them and you have a fairly decent match.

The stompa is a reasonable match for a couple of wraithknights; it just isn't worth the cost of two and a half of them. Again, a 20% price drop and a couple of small buffs would close the gap.

Almost all ork infantry would be viable if every squad could have a painboy or kustom force field for a bit less than we pay now and our characters had decent Ld scores (8 on Nobs doesn't seem too much to ask for).

Eldar scatterbikes have bs4, 36" range and 4 st6 shots with jsj. That makes them not only far more survivable due to range and jsj but also a tremendously higher amount of firepower.

Ork deffkoptas with have twin-linked BS 2, which is almost as good as BS 4. They also have 36" range (but no extra move in the assault phase). They get three S 5 shots vs. the Eldar's four S 6. But they are also T 5 with two wounds and a 4+ save, while the Eldar are T 4 with one wound and a 3+ save. In a straight shooting match, one eldar jetbike should kill 0.44 deffkoptas a turn on average while one deffkopta kills 0.37 jetbikes. Jetbikes are better, but not hugely better. Give orks a 20% or so boost in effectiveness and they will be on even footing.

for Space Marines I'd make Land Raiders (and any other vehicle with POTMS) super heavy vehicles. Land raiders have 2 things in specific going for them. they're supposed to be near unkillable bricks and the ability to split their fire between multiple targets. making em super heavies but leaving em otherwise unchanged would make em better for post 7th ed meta

My Dark Angels might not completely suck, but if they went up in power from this codex to the next comparable to Eldar they would at least be low middle tier.

Blood Angels

Can wear their jump packs inside all troop transports and immediately assault after disembarking out of literally anything regardless of how far it moved. Can also assault straight from deep strike.

Death Company get FNP free.
Honour guard (command squads) can take bikes and be expanded to 10 man units.
Librarians can take artificer armour.
Chaplains and tech marines come in packs of 3 for one slot and are Elite choices.
Scouts get Fleet.
Death Company dread comes with free drop pod.
Fragiosos in heavy slot.
Baal pattern predator can take flamestorms on sponsons.
Tac squads gt CCW options.
Land speeders come with skyfire missile racks base, and can be upgraded with an underslung twin linked lascannon.
Terminators made useful in some way....waaaait, nah, that's too powerful, nvm.

Lasguns = Str 14, AP 1, Blast, Ignores Cover, 72" range

Guardsmen get a 1+++. So to make an amour save you need to roll AT LEAST a 1+

As an optional free upgrade, Ogryns get to ride on Eldar Jetbikes.

Tau - All rail weapons become strength D as is fitting for their fluff. However, to be fair, rail rifles get the -1 on the D chart. All pathfinders may exchange their weapon rail rifles for +5 points each. Tau plasma rifle battlesuit weapons become rapidfire and blast. Riptides gain FNP at no cost, but otherwise remain unchanged.

Rough Riders become T4, get a 3++ save and are allowed to take multilasers or Heavy Bolters on every rider.

Necron Warriors get their 3+ again.
Monolith immune to melta/lance.
Old tesla rules.
Death ray is Str D.
Tachyon Arrow is Str D.
All particle weapons are Str D.
All gauss weapons get shred.
Every immortal can take a tesla destructor.

Cultists now cost .5 points per model and can be fielded in whatever size unit you want XD. Oh and Helldrakes are now armor 14 all around, get their turret back, and can take a strength D apocalypse template weapon. Also throw on a 3++ for the hell of it.

WAAAGH!!! Is automaticly active on turn 2 and continues until the warboss is dead. Warboss has to not be in reserves for the WAAAGH!!! to continue.
Cybork adds +1 to FNP.
Nobz can take "Lucky bit" for 10 points to gain 5+ invuln.
Warboss and Big Mek can take a Kustom Force Fingy for personal 4++.
Kustom Force Fields causes vehicles to be able reroll their invuln save but if you reroll and get a 1 it blows up the vehicle instantly. Gives nonvehicle models 5++ invuln from shooting attacks. The entire unit that is containing the KFF gets the 5++ invuln from shooting.
Warboss has T6 on foot or on bike.
Ork Boyz get a free big shoota for ever 10 boyz. Boyz have 6+ FNP when there are more than 15 models in the unit.
PKs cost 15 points. Big Choppas cost 3 points. Eavy armor is included on every nob, flash git, warboss, and big Mek. Nobz (and everything with a nob like profile) have T5 (but bikes do not increase their toughness. Meganobz are 15 points more expensive. Bike upgrade is 10 points.
Bosspole gives a unit the warlord's base leadership -1.
Git Finder gives +1 BS
Flash Gitz are Elites.
Ork vehicles have the ramshackle rule which gives 5+ invulnerable save. Trukks gain 4++
Kommandos have stealth and then also can get shrouded in ruins/forests until they shoot.
Stormboyz have exaust cloud (4+ cover save).
Deffdreads are in squadrons of 3 as heavy support and/or elite slot as a solo unit.
Kanz are aren't cowardly and have proper PKs. When damaged the Kan gains 2 attacks (pushed too far rule).
Gork/Morknauts are 75 points cheaper.
Lootas can swap for a Beamy Deff Gun which is Str 9 AP2 Heavy 1 48" for free.
Trukks hold 15 models.
Deffrollas make ramming a vehicle deal a Str 10 AP1 hit.

Terminators are immune to anything that isn't a 6 to wound on a D weapon, and even then get a 3+ save against it. Also, power fists are strength D, and storm bolters are assault 8.

Never again will my deathwing be garbage.

EDIT: oh, and they can all use their teleport to re-deep strike at any point in the game, within 36", without scattering, and still charge the same turn.

Baneblades (and its variants) get a price reduction to 200 points. They now take up Heavy Support Slots and can be squadroned in groups of 3.

If 3 Basilisks fire on the same target. the Template is upgraded to 10 inchs and a D weapon strike.

DeathStrikes can now use Vortex Missiles in regular games without the need to bring a platoon of infantry for defense and a Lord Commisar. They can be squadroned in groups of 3 and take up Heavy Weapon Slots.

Chimeras can now DeepStrike and the troops inside can fire upon landing.

Leman Russ Tanks are reduced in points by Half per variant, They can be squadroned in groups of 5, but can fire at independent targets.

Leman Russ Tanks can now carry Lascannons in sponsons. If A Leman Russ has 3 Lascannons and they are focused on a single target (and All hit), they turn into a single ST D hit.

The Leman Russ Exterminator, Punisher, and Annihilator gain a special rule (I can't remember its name). If the Tank sits still it can fire all weapons twice into the same target.

A Leman Russ Battle Tank can be upgraded to fire its weapons independently at different targets.

Chimeras gain Fast.

Manticores can now reload their missiles after a turn. On a roll of 5, THe Manticore has the ability to unleash ALL of its missiles at the same time. The Target is hit with 2 10" ST D AP 2 templates.

hellhounds can dump a lot of extra ammunition into their firing chambers for a St 7 AP 3 Hellstorm template with the Gets Hot rule. The Tank can't fire for a turn afterwards.
Banewolfs can do the same thing for a 2+ Poison Hellstorm Template ST 5 AP 3

I can keep going....

BrianDavion wrote:
for Space Marines I'd make Land Raiders (and any other vehicle with POTMS) super heavy vehicles. Land raiders have 2 things in specific going for them. they're supposed to be near unkillable bricks and the ability to split their fire between multiple targets. making em super heavies but leaving em otherwise unchanged would make em better for post 7th ed meta

That or some void shielding!

Fire Warrior Shas'ui can upgrade to a networked markerlight & target lock for the same price.

Fire Warrior teams have can have have 0-2 rail rifles or ion rifles per squad, like Pathfinders.

Drones reduced to 10pts per drone.

Crisis Suits are BS4.

Broadsides are BS4 & relentless.

Improve the Sun Shark bomber with options for S5 AP4 large blast & S6 AP2 small blast bombs.

Make Stealth Teams cheaper to field.

Make Kroot S4 I4.

Either make Vespid cheaper or make their guns assault 2.


That'd be far more than anyone would ever need haha, the only of these changes I'd like to actually see would be the Kroot changes, which would make sense given that in fluff they're stated to almost be as strong as an Astartes & just as quick.

I have a hard time imagining Sisters getting that treatment. But it'd probably look like my old 5th ed fandex... on steroids (I was using C:SM as the basis for balancing it, so it wasn't an OP fandex at the time )

To be serious, one thing that has been the case in both the Necron and Eldar codexes is decreasing cost of "elite" infantry (not "elite" in the sense of Elites, but as in tougher infantry). This is so with Praetorians, Lychguard, Eldar Jetbikes -- in a sense with Wraithguard in that they didn't get more ezpensive despite getting a power boost. I expect this trend to follow in future codexes; I think it's really likely that Terminators are going to get cheaper.

Dark Angels:
Make DW Knights Smite Mode on their maces Strength D.
Give all DW terminators (Knights and regular) 2 wounds.
Lower Nephilim cost by about 30 and buff missiles to S7 AP3.
Make Standard of Devastation buff Plasmaguns as well as bolters.
Lower cost of LS Vengeance by 30, give it AV12/11/10 with 3 HP. Maybe give it Skyfire in rapid fire mode!
Make DW terminators able to assault on the turn they deep strike!
Buff Plasma Talons to Assault 4, cost of RW Black Knights remains the same.
Make Dark Talon stained glass cannon fire strength D blasts, cost remains the same.
Maybe give all RW black knights jetbikes instead of just Sammael.

Some of these ideas are serious, some are intentionally over the top. As a DA player, I would like to see our codex become much stronger though (probably wishful thinking I know...).

Dorkanauts Same price. But super heavy walkers.
Killa Kans to Elites.
Kan Klaws and DCCWs gain instant death
Boss Snikrot allows assaulting out of reserves for his unit
Lootas back to elites
Mob Rule...Old style
KFF = 5++ per unit not model
pain boy can take megarmor + 25 pts. No PK
boyz 5pts (CCW + Slugga)
choppas +1 pt. Str User. AP4
Shootas +1 pt.

 doktor_g wrote:
Dorkanauts Same price. But super heavy walkers.
Killa Kans to Elites.
Kan Klaws and DCCWs gain instant death
Boss Snikrot allows assaulting out of reserves for his unit
Lootas back to elites
Mob Rule...Old style
KFF = 5++ per unit not model
pain boy can take megarmor + 25 pts. No PK
boyz 5pts (CCW + Slugga)
choppas +1 pt. Str User. AP4
Shootas +1 pt.

I'd rather the Orkanauts be dropped in price and remain regular Walkers.

If they were super-heavies at this point it would ruin several formations where they are needed (at least 3).

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Rough Riders become T4, get a 3++ save and are allowed to take multilasers or Heavy Bolters on every rider.

So are they from C.S Gotoland?

Termagants can each upgrade their Devourer to a Brainleech Devourer for 10 points.

Tervigons can spawn 3d6 Termagants each turn without limit.

Hormagaunts become beasts.

Gargoyles get their old 6 to hit auto-wound poison rule AND their current Blind on their attacks.

Swarmlord's Bone Sabres become Str D.

Warp Lance becomes Str D.

A brood of Zoanthropes contributes dice to the pool equal to the number of ML's worth of Zoantrhopes in the unit (like the new Warlocks do).

Trygons gain Armourbane. Haywire on their Bioelectric field shooting.

Alcibiades wrote:
To be serious, one thing that has been the case in both the Necron and Eldar codexes is decreasing cost of "elite" infantry (not "elite" in the sense of Elites, but as in tougher infantry). This is so with Praetorians, Lychguard, Eldar Jetbikes -- in a sense with Wraithguard in that they didn't get more ezpensive despite getting a power boost. I expect this trend to follow in future codexes; I think it's really likely that Terminators are going to get cheaper.

I doubt they are ever going to fix terminator costs. They are forever doomed to remain on the shelf and in games of space hulk.

All summoned units can assault on the turn they arrive.

With rage, furious charge, feel no pain, rampage, adamantium will, eternal warrior, precision strikes and fleet.

Because 'the warp'

 Kain wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Rough Riders become T4, get a 3++ save and are allowed to take multilasers or Heavy Bolters on every rider.

So are they from C.S Gotoland?

Yup. Just like the Solar Auxilia. Goto must've creamed his pants when he saw the Stormhammer.

All Tyranid Termagants should become beasts, magically grow a 3+ armor save, and all have access to Twin-linked Devourers with Brainleech Worms for 2 points per model.

All codexes but Eldar get a 20% decrease in point value across the board... rounded down to the nearest 5. So IG Vet squad would be 45 pts per squad... You could really compete then... sad but true!

Uzibat wrote:Fire Warrior Shas'ui can upgrade to a networked markerlight & target lock for the same price.

Fire Warrior teams have can have have 0-2 rail rifles or ion rifles per squad, like Pathfinders.

Drones reduced to 10pts per drone.

Crisis Suits are BS4.

Broadsides are BS4 & relentless.

Improve the Sun Shark bomber with options for S5 AP4 large blast & S6 AP2 small blast bombs.

Make Stealth Teams cheaper to field.

Make Kroot S4 I4.

Either make Vespid cheaper or make their guns assault 2.


That'd be far more than anyone would ever need haha, the only of these changes I'd like to actually see would be the Kroot changes, which would make sense given that in fluff they're stated to almost be as strong as an Astartes & just as quick.

The point of this thread is to suggest Eldar-level changes to a codex, not reasonable suggestions

Ghaz being placed on the field is an automatic win

OP


Riptides become gargantuam creatures like the night. The nova version of the gatling blaster fires 12 D weapon shots and it now shoots markerlights from its eyes for BS5. Oh and like Gipsy Danger it has this unfurlable str D sword that it can use in CC.

Not only that but all Tau units can fire their guns whilst in close combat and at full BS; which of course means markerlights.

Markerlight bonuses last for the whole game on affected units and stack as they are used.

A railgun traces a line that is str D and all units underneath it take an instant str D hit. Not only that but these cause additional wounds for each successful kill and hull point which are cumulative.

All stealth suits now have assault 6 str6 ap4 cannons, cost 12 pts per model and get a 2+ cover save in the open. They also ignore all rolls for difficult and dangerous terrain.



My brain hurts....