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Fair. I just want you to know. Im flip flopping on this movie a bit honestly. Sometimes I think it was good, other times not.
Im not sure how I feel about it. It did do a bit a cool stuff, like the way joe walked, like a fat old man. I mean it really showed how he may not be the best for leading.
Also, could you imagine having sex with joe? What it must have been like for those women? Ughh
hotsauceman1 wrote: Fair. I just want you to know. Im flip flopping on this movie a bit honestly. Sometimes I think it was good, other times not.
Im not sure how I feel about it. It did do a bit a cool stuff, like the way joe walked, like a fat old man. I mean it really showed how he may not be the best for leading.
My suggestion... skip school or whatever and go see it again that should help with mixed feelings
But yea I don't know if Australia has oil refineries. I know above them in the asian regions there are oil fields (Japan was fighting for them in WW2) but not sure about Australia itself.
They do.
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KamikazeCanuck wrote: Anyway, one question I had was you know when Max has some flashbacks about some kids or people he couldn't save - who was that? Is that his family from the first movie? Didn't he save some kids in the third movie? It's been a long time since I've seen those movies.
He lost his wife and son in the first movie, but it was a little girl that was haunting his dreams in this film. And it can't be the kids he rescued in the third movie, because they flew off while he stayed behind to allow them to escape. So maybe he made a life for himself in Bartertown, had a new family and they got killed?
Don't know. Honestly this may be the first movie I've seen where seeing the previous movies actually makes this harder to follow.
One of the few things we see in the film that gives Hardy’s character any glimpses of backstory are flashbacks are to a little girl being run over by a big truck. Some are remembering this incorrectly as flashbacks to the original Mad Max when Toecutter and his biker gang ran down Max’s wife and child. However, Max had an infant son (Sprog), not a toddler daughter…and they were killed by motorcycles, not a truck as seen in the flashbacks of Fury Road. Definitely one of the most mysterious, unexplained aspects of Hardy’s character in the film.
This is true, and made me think it was either some more recent tragedy suffered after he built a new life after Bartertown, or possibly it was like your post suggested.
Spoiler:
Though I didn't consider this Max being the Feral Kid from the first movie, that's quite imaginative, if a little silly.
But more and more, I kind of just think any answer makes this less interesting than just leaving it as is. It's like the kids in the National Lampoon movies - sometimes the boy is older, sometimes the girl is older, and the answer is to just ignore all that and focus on Chevy Chase doing stupid stuff.
Actually i forget is mad max even in Australia? (like based not filmed in)
We have refineries, yes. Mostly for natural gas, though. The school I work for actually has a training refinery - it's basically house sized mess of pipes, perhaps the least impressive looking $20m structure I've ever seen.
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Ensis Ferrae wrote: I personally think it takes place in America, or at least MM and Road Warrior do anyhow I mean look at these costumes and tell me that Australians actually have much history with these items?
Well, the shoulder pads I'll grant you, but in the third movie they actually reach Sydney, so unless you guys have an Opera House hidden away somewhere...
There's also the language, terms like 'fang it', which probably sounds to Americans like made up wasteland speach, but is a very real part of Australian bogan culture.
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“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
I think its max's kids from the first movie, just re imagined. We get tips of the hat to the originals with the music box scene and the dud 2xbarreled shotty scenes, but we also have a lot of divergence from that story as max looks younger, has his V8 back despite it being destroyed in a prior movie, and he has the music box despite giving it away in a prior movie.
So it pretty much has to be an alternate timeline for him I think.
I like that I am actually enjoying it the more I think about it though
sebster,
I took three people to go see it, none had ever seen the MM movies, they were so lost that all the action seemed like a deathproof/hobo with a shotgun/ or grind house level of action for actions sake.
Ensis Ferrae wrote: Agreed... I think that movies like Book of Eli, for good or ill are done in a more serious tone (and say what you will about Eli, I actually like that movie) and do a pretty good job of story, backdrop and everything that goes along with.
I loved the look and the world creation of the Book of Eli. It was honestly so close to being a great movie, but there were some things I just couldn't get past.
And it wasn't the final twist (which was silly but whatever). Honestly my problem there was that the main character was supposed to be a fallen Christian, but he was actually just a completely amoral turd. Nothing wrong with basing films around amoral turds (especially not in post-apocalypse movies), but it really jarred with the theme this film was supposed to be exploring.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
I took three people to go see it, none had ever seen the MM movies, they were so lost that all the action seemed like a deathproof/hobo with a shotgun/ or grind house level of action for actions sake.
Is that right? Huh. I mean, this is a very specific kind of movie and if it's not a fantasy that appeals then that makes sense. But it didn't occur to me that people would have missed the meaning in amongst all the action. I don't know, I see a group of girls crawl out from a hiding space under a truck to escape slavery (complete with cutting off chastity belts) and, well, I don't think anyone misses that - it ain't subtle you know
Maybe it's more a case of it not being a theme that resonates with some people? If it doesn't give an emotional reaction, then there's no emotion to fuel the next action scene or two, so I guess it can end up feeling flat.
Maybe, I don't know. Whatever stopped them getting in to it, I don't think familiarity with the previous films is going to help.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
I took three people to go see it, none had ever seen the MM movies, they were so lost that all the action seemed like a deathproof/hobo with a shotgun/ or grind house level of action for actions sake.
Is that right? Huh. I mean, this is a very specific kind of movie and if it's not a fantasy that appeals then that makes sense. But it didn't occur to me that people would have missed the meaning in amongst all the action. I don't know, I see a group of girls crawl out from a hiding space under a truck to escape slavery (complete with cutting off chastity belts) and, well, I don't think anyone misses that - it ain't subtle you know
Maybe it's more a case of it not being a theme that resonates with some people? If it doesn't give an emotional reaction, then there's no emotion to fuel the next action scene or two, so I guess it can end up feeling flat.
Maybe, I don't know. Whatever stopped them getting in to it, I don't think familiarity with the previous films is going to help.
oh yeah, they know what is happening for sure in the sense of the what, just not the why i guess, the movie seems to rely on the others to establish set/setting and the protagonist. Its like hobo with a shotgun, we get why he does it it makes perfect sense, but we dont have much emotional content in the setting, protagonist, or antagonists and its just a stringing together of action scenes (though HWAS is not even close in quality of action scenes to Mad max). My brother loved the idea of it when I explained to him before going what mad max was, dystopic wasteland movies are up his ally.
The first scene where max is run off the road so very easily, but then he defeats three towns worth of vehicles through out the rest of the movie? just seemed a bit off. that and when max wastes half a mag on warning shots... the feeling that we are in a post apocalyptic world where things are scarce just isnt there, even if we do have an attempt to explain why there is no scarcity of all these things.
The scene where max is on top of the tanker, flashes back to his daughter, then gets the arrow through his hand into his head is awesome though, and there are lots of good scenes like that in the movie.
The action was extremely well done this is a new standard to live up to of action movies if thats where the series is going. I do hope the next one keeps the same level of action, but shows it can do other types of scene really really well too.
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hotsauceman1 wrote: Fair. I just want you to know. Im flip flopping on this movie a bit honestly. Sometimes I think it was good, other times not.
Im not sure how I feel about it. It did do a bit a cool stuff, like the way joe walked, like a fat old man. I mean it really showed how he may not be the best for leading.
Also, could you imagine having sex with joe? What it must have been like for those women? Ughh
Wait what? Old people can't be leaders? And, I'm going to go out on a limb here, but you're going to e hard pressed to find anyone else wondering about what boning Joe would be like.
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Really didn't care for this guys butt floss get up. Just rewatched roadwarrior over the weekend and at the point where humongous has him chained by the neck and cuts him loose he jumps up from the car's hood you get flashed with his junk. ugh.
Really didn't care for this guys butt floss get up. Just rewatched roadwarrior over the weekend and at the point where humongous has him chained by the neck and cuts him loose he jumps up from the car's hood you get flashed with his junk. ugh.
No need to get testy
I think he has the right of it, we all got shafted when we watched that scene
hotsauceman1 wrote: Im not saying old people cant lead. but that he may not be the best.
Most likely, in that environment he had managed to "cement" his leadership position long before he would be considered old, and that his position had become so safe that even if/when he shouldn't be physically capable of maintaining his position through might, he still does. Whether it's via his new religious cult (the half-life war boys) or just the fact that no one's tried in such a long time, he has still managed to hold onto his power.
I mean the whole him wanting an heir was probably why he wanted his wives bsck. He was old and dying, he was scared of it too I think. I think he saw an heir that would be strong and intelligent was what he wanted.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Fair. I just want you to know. Im flip flopping on this movie a bit honestly. Sometimes I think it was good, other times not.
Im not sure how I feel about it. It did do a bit a cool stuff, like the way joe walked, like a fat old man. I mean it really showed how he may not be the best for leading.
Also, could you imagine having sex with joe? What it must have been like for those women? Ughh
Wait what? Old people can't be leaders? And, I'm going to go out on a limb here, but you're going to e hard pressed to find anyone else wondering about what boning Joe would be like.
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easysauce wrote: oh yeah, they know what is happening for sure in the sense of the what, just not the why i guess, the movie seems to rely on the others to establish set/setting and the protagonist. Its like hobo with a shotgun, we get why he does it it makes perfect sense, but we dont have much emotional content in the setting, protagonist, or antagonists and its just a stringing together of action scenes (though HWAS is not even close in quality of action scenes to Mad max). My brother loved the idea of it when I explained to him before going what mad max was, dystopic wasteland movies are up his ally.
HWAS was deliberately trashy, though. The events had no emotional content because they weren't really meant to - the various awful things that happened were elevated to a ludicrous extreme for cheap laughs. It isn't really a criticism of the movie, because the film is meant to be trashy fun. I don't think that's what Fury Road wanted at all - while there was a lot of carnage, it aimed for that carnage to have a level of emotional meaning. It obviously didn't succeed for everyone.
I know what you're saying about Max getting captured easily, and it did seem a bit off. On the one hand, the franchise has always focused more on circumstance than heroes and hapless extras getting slaughtered - in the right circumstance even Max gets bested by nobodies in the second film. But it was so quick it did feel a bit perfunctory.
And I agree with the crazy waste of resources, but then that doesn't just apply to bullets but to fuel and to vehicles as well. But that's really a post-apocalyptic genre thing, you just accept it and move on.
The action was extremely well done this is a new standard to live up to of action movies if thats where the series is going. I do hope the next one keeps the same level of action, but shows it can do other types of scene really really well too.
I think the reason the action scenes did so well is because they were such a relief from the last few years of CGI spectacle. Hopefully it will mark a return to more grounded action and effects work in the future.
“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”
Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something.
hotsauceman1 wrote: I mean the whole him wanting an heir was probably why he wanted his wives bsck. He was old and dying, he was scared of it too I think. I think he saw an heir that would be strong and intelligent was what he wanted.
Pretty sure he laid that out explicitly in the movie.
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KamikazeCanuck wrote: Anyway, one question I had was you know when Max has some flashbacks about some kids or people he couldn't save - who was that? Is that his family from the first movie? Didn't he save some kids in the third movie? It's been a long time since I've seen those movies.
Well, there's a theory kicking around about the new Max, I'll just post a link here but beware of spoilers.
Anyone else notice this. Max narrates he used to be a cop......but in this civilization, only the really old remember civilization.
someone's hardiest age couldn't be a cop.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Anyone else notice this. Max narrates he used to be a cop......but in this civilization, only the really old remember civilization.
someone's hardiest age couldn't be a cop.
hotsauceman1 wrote: Anyone else notice this. Max narrates he used to be a cop......but in this civilization, only the really old remember civilization.
someone's hardiest age couldn't be a cop.
Or perhaps he was a "rookie" cop when gak started heading south??
Perhaps his constant movement staves off any radiation landing on him and sticking??
One thing I will point out in seriousness though.... I think time becomes extremely subjective if all the clocks have stopped. We'd be forced to go back to a true "sun time", hence why people count days instead of years and hours.
And in the course of shooting, I would say there are some scenes where Hardy does appear to be older than Theron (though I think IRL, the reverse is true), and as we know, she was born at some point when her homeland was capable of bearing plant-borne foods for people. What is debatable is whether this was near the "beginning of the end" or sometime well after the nukes started being tossed about.
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The Mad Max movies don't have a particularly strict continuity. It's meant to be loose and dreamlike. We're talking about a movie series that has cast the same actor for similar but different roles not just once but THREE TIMES now.
People can have fun with this stuff if they want, but Mad Max films aren't Marvel movies. Or even Star Wars movies.
Fun fan theory -- Was the Harry Callahan in later films a clone of the original, since he clearly quit the force at the end of Dirty Harry and there was no reference made to him rejoining the force or at least diving in the water to retrieve his badge? Ooooooo.
gorgon wrote: The Mad Max movies don't have a particularly strict continuity. It's meant to be loose and dreamlike.
Even the director/writer/producer has said as much.
Yes, but being a continuity lawyer is a longstanding tradition of people trying to maintain the appearance of being smart and critical about a movie/game/series without actually having anything of value to say.
Was anyone else slightly bothered by the mixture of accents in the movie? I think the sparsity of dialogue made it more bearable than it would have been otherwise. Charlize Theron in particular sounded pretty American. Would've been a bit cooler IMO if the director unified the accents more.
And now I can't remember if Tina Turner put on an Australian accent or not.
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jasper76 wrote: And now I can't remember if Tina Turner put on an Australian accent or not.
She didn't.
curran12 wrote: being a continuity lawyer is a longstanding tradition of people trying to maintain the appearance of being smart and critical about a movie/game/series without actually having anything of value to say
It can also be a fun game played by fans.
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