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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 00:10:49
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Manchu wrote:But here we go again: even if we agree that nuns are female monks, and warrior monks (in terms of medieval Christianity) were knights, female warrior monks (warrior nuns) are NOT therefore also knights. note: I keep wanting to edit this to make it more polite, as I feel it might be a little too much... but I keep feeling like every time I do it reduces the impact, so I end up not editing it. I hope you understand that I'm not really trying to insult you, I just am in a mood where it's hard for me to express myself without being blunt. So? Historically, this is because of a combination of double standards (which, even to this day, we are still overcoming) on how men and women should act, as well as the traditional bias of historians that made them gloss over the existence of women in history, never mind the achievements. So even if they do exist, proof of their existence is found only in obscure, dusty places of knowledge that no one outside of lifetime historians would even bother to look, and usually not even them, either. So they might have existed but were minor and unrecorded because no one thought them notable because they're women and who cares what those silly womenfolk do. Or they might not. But that's irrelevant, for several reasons. First off, 40k is a game, and therefor makes acceptable breaks from reality. And if, in a world full of psychic ninja space elves, drunken barbarian fungus men who make tech work by sheer willpower, and blue-grey skinned communist fishcowbirds, nun-knights are an unacceptable break from reality to you, I would find that unfathomably petty of you and openly wonder what is wrong with you. Second off, 40k is set 38,000 years in the future, therefor there could easily have been societies in that time that defied the history up until this point (and there was, the Daughters of the Emperor-- an order of warrior nuns from the planet of San Leor, whom eventually became the Sisters of Battle). Thirdly, 40k is not a realistic historical setting, so I simply don't care whether or not there's historical precedence, and I'm boggled as to why you care about pointless historical trivia in a discussion such as this.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 00:47:06
Subject: Re:How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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Crazed Zealot
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The updates I would most like to see include:
1) return of the frateris militia (there's nothing like having a few priests whipping the populace into a zealous mob)
2) use of Faith Points for psychic denial (matching faith against the psycher)
3) anti-air options (either as a stand-alone or modified Ret Squad, or for the Exorcist)
4) assault vehicle
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 00:54:34
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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I'd quite like to add a Sabine option for Priests, too - doesn't have to be anything complicated, just a label and a bit of fluff, really, to change the priest entry so that it could represent a Sister Sabine instead.
A Pronatus unit wielding archeotech could be nice too, but unnecessary.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 01:11:29
Subject: Re:How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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I see nothing wrong with making Sisters female orders of knights or whatever. In fact thats what I thought the were to begin with
Its not like there aren't dozens of knight-themed 40k armies already.
BTW I think comparing them to Paladins in platemail is a great description of how I personally envision them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 01:18:48
Subject: Re:How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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Grimmor wrote:
Im not disagreeing, but they didnt fight like berserkers.
Maybe they would have if they'd had giant chainsaws.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 01:31:02
Subject: Re:How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 01:35:42
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
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Furyou Miko wrote:I'd quite like to add a Sabine option for Priests, too - doesn't have to be anything complicated, just a label and a bit of fluff, really, to change the priest entry so that it could represent a Sister Sabine instead.
A Pronatus unit wielding archeotech could be nice too, but unnecessary.
Not content with male shepherds leading the female herd?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 02:23:38
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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Hallowed Canoness
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Actually no - the Sabine's role, fluff wise, is more like a missionary than a cleric. I will never understand why they decided to rename the missionaries to 'priests' when they updated the codex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 02:35:10
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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Furyou Miko wrote:Actually no - the Sabine's role, fluff wise, is more like a missionary than a cleric. I will never understand why they decided to rename the missionaries to 'priests' when they updated the codex.
Especially since Missionaries where actually trained at combat, so they should be better than Priests. Honestly i wouldnt mind having both as Priests are good in their own right.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 08:38:15
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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I'm not going to even attempt a discussion about history when the water is already poisoned with ideologically-driven conspiracy theories masquerading as gender studies. And why should I? It's irrelevant. Nothing I have posted is an argument from history. I have been extremely careful about this actually, pointed it out multiple times, and I make no apologies to folks who have not read or cannot read carefully enough to grasp as much. My point has been: for whatever reasons, which are totally immaterial to this discussion, the image of an armoured male warrior who lives in an exclusively male community under religious rule has come down to us from the medieval period and that image has been a primary influence on the development of the Space Marine brand. In developing the SoB brand, GW was dreaming up something more original and complicated than Space Marines and it is precisely that originality that is so extremely important for the future of the Sisters as a part of the 40k IP. It's pretty fair to sum up SM as "space knights" but you can't sum up Adpeta Sororitas that way.
As befits the most ancient custom of monasticism, the SM live apart from society at large. Apart from the literal fortress monasteries in which they reside, a SM chapter world is even set apart from the wider imperium in tax grade and ecclesiarchical influence ... exactly as IRL monasteries have traditionally enjoyed autonomy from both civil and ordinary diocesan authorities. SoB, by stark contrast, seem to be an integral part of the fabric of Imeprial society. You will find Sisters serving as important members of influential system courts; as diplomats, advisers, and bodyguards. When a system is threatened, it is the Sisters who as often as not are already there -- not the IG and certainly not some aloof SM chapter.
Additionally -- sex/gender is NOT irrelevant when we talk about SoB. How could it be? We are talking about an exclusively female religious order. And they don't just happen to be exclusively female, either. The loophole in the Decree Passive about the Ecclesiarchy maintaining no men under arms was not some kind of mistake based on a reckless use of language. Sebastian Thor was not an idiot. And the precursor organization of the SoB was in no way obscure at that time: the Daughters/Brides of the Emperor had played a major role in both the apostate reign of Goge Vandire and his overthrow. The gender-based loophole in the Decree Passive therefore could only have been intentional. Thor and his collaborators consciously and willfully decided that the Ecclesiarchy should be defended by a group of women rather than men. Sex/gender is clearly not immaterial to the culture of the Imperium, at least as a matter of Ecclesiarchical politics, as a lot of posters seem to assume.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 09:10:30
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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The whole "Sisters are Knights / SMs are Knights" confusion and overlap is a lot of the reason why Sisters don't sell. They're geared like SMs, but they're not as good because they don't have the statline, nor any of the high tech stuff, nor any of the long range gear. And the models cost a lot more. Sisters lack the notion of being walking heraldry, along with the conversion bitz to tailor the army to a personal vision. But they have ridiculous "boob plate" armor which flies in face of the tech as described in 40k. They are fundamentally flawed in concept and execution, the Dan to Ultramarines Ryu and Black Legion Ken, rather than Sakura (much less Akuma). Worse, they attract some of the most difficult adherents on the board who simply can't see that the army as-is is precisely why it cannot succeed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 09:39:00
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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JohnHwangDD wrote:The whole "Sisters are Knights / SMs are Knights" confusion and overlap is a lot of the reason why Sisters don't sell. They're geared like SMs, but they're not as good because they don't have the statline, nor any of the high tech stuff, nor any of the long range gear. And the models cost a lot more. Sisters lack the notion of being walking heraldry, along with the conversion bitz to tailor the army to a personal vision.
I kind of agree with you, insofar as I think there is some serious MEQ envy denial going around in SoB circles, but it's also unfair to judge the potential of a line based on its confused, neglected form. Look at DE or Necrons before their long overdue updates in contrast to today. The same could be done with Sisters. Of course, just as some folks prefer the more one-dimensional version of Necrons, there will always be folks who basically wants Sisters to be " SM but even better" in one way or another. And if whoever designs a SoB upgrade feels the same, the resulting line will be a failure.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 10:17:03
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Sure, but it's kind of a circular issue. Someone in the studio loves (loved) DE and Necrons, so they got stuff. Sisters are these stock models that resist personalization by both fluff (black, white and red; limited Orders) and physical model (metal, very hard to convert).
You can far more easily get away with pink SMs a la desert "Pink Panthers" and pink CWE than pink Sisters. That's a problem. Same with ordering (or printing / casting) alternate heads / shoulderpads for SMs and IGs.
Sisters aren't even compelling in the Studio, hence bland maintenance releases versus someone championing them into something more significant. With all-new customizable plastics (which are harder to do, because the parts are smaller).
Really, it's like the neglect of the Squats, pre-Squatting, except GW said they woudln't Squat anything ever again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 10:20:51
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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Let's not gloss over the Necron example there -- someone loved Necrons so much that they completely overhauled their background and the miniatures line. SoB have potential in the same way Necrons had potential.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 10:22:25
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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Mighty Vampire Count
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JohnHwangDD wrote:Sure, but it's kind of a circular issue. Someone in the studio loves (loved) DE and Necrons, so they got stuff. Sisters are these stock models that resist personalization by both fluff (black, white and red; limited Orders) and physical model (metal, very hard to convert).
You can far more easily get away with pink SMs a la desert "Pink Panthers" and pink CWE than pink Sisters. That's a problem. Same with ordering (or printing / casting) alternate heads / shoulderpads for SMs and IGs.
Sisters aren't even compelling in the Studio, hence bland maintenance releases versus someone championing them into something more significant. With all-new customizable plastics (which are harder to do, because the parts are smaller).
Really, it's like the neglect of the Squats, pre-Squatting, except GW said they woudln't Squat anything ever again.
Yeah but bizarely they foccussed loads of attention (and presumably money) on them in Shield of Baal - fluff, new artwork, coolness - the works - except no new models or rules - bizare or what?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 14:39:15
Subject: Re:How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
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I was thinking about this earlier, it would be nice if Sisters had Rocket Launchers. Seriously IIRC every IoM army pre Ad Mech had Rocket Launchers, except them and thats a big deal because the Rocket Launcher is the swiss army knife of weapons. Horde/Light Infantry? Frag Rocket. MEQs/Vehicles Krak Rocket. Now its great that Multimelta and Heavy Flamers are so easy to get (seriously we can spam the crap out of those) but a general utility weapon would be great.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 14:54:17
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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You're reading too much in to what I said. It's not that there was a conscious effort to conspire to do this. It was simply how society functioned at the time. Unconscious bias is present even today, and furthermore, it provably exists even today even after having confronted a lot of society's problems. To say that it's a conspiracy theory to point out that it existed back then, centuries before the feminist movement gained steam, is disingenuous; I expect better from you. Manchu wrote:It's pretty fair to sum up SM as "space knights" but you can't sum up Adpeta Sororitas that way.
Not entirely no. But it is an important part of who they are. The very first image is of them in thick powered armor with a wimple and gas mask, killing an Astartes with a boltgun. That's how Sisters of Battle started off. The first actual models thankfully took their armor in a better direction than the nipplespikes and shoulder-ovaries of Sister Sin, but even in their first physical incarnation, they were holy knights of the Imperial Creed, defending the faithful and sacrificing themselves for the Imperium. Manchu wrote:When a system is threatened, it is the Sisters who as often as not are already there -- not the IG and certainly not some aloof SM chapter.
... thus why I said, paladins, defenders of the faith, protectors of the people-- sacrificing themselves to protect the lives and purity of the Imperium's populace. Manchu wrote:Additionally -- sex/gender is NOT irrelevant when we talk about SoB.
I never said it wasn't. I said the historical aspect was irrelevant. I would point out, however, that "feminine" as a word has a great deal of baggage. For example, a study was done asking for terms that one associated with a leader or manager, and with male, and with female. Of those, 75% of the terms associated with leader are associated with masculinity, while only 10% are associated with femininity. Because of the cultural baggage we carry around those terms, attempting to define Sisters of Battle based on their femininity and focusing overmuch on that is a bit of a trap. Women who are leaders, warriors, soldiers, combatants, aggressive, supremely confident, etc, are viewed as inherently unfeminine by many, and Sisters are all of these things.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 14:59:54
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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I would like to see them get a physical codex, at the very least a 10 woman plastic battle sister box and some kind of flyer in their codex. Maybe make the Avenger plastic and throw it in the Codex?
I would also like to see a "Forces of Ecclesiarchy" supplement that includes Frateris Militia and some big cheese priests.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 15:37:52
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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It shouldn't be that hard for them to get the GK-treatment. An infantry box to cover all existing power-armoured units (To deal with Seraphim, they could either make it 5 models per box or release a separate jumppack sprue.), a big walker thing which can make a penitent engine and a similar but new kind of walker, probably something shooty and a clampacked Character. Hopefully that one has at least one additional arm but I doubt that but you would still be able to mix that with the troop box. That would still leave the Terminator-sized box the GKs got, which could go into a tank box out of which you could build into an Exorcist, an Immolator and probably a Repressor or a completly new tank. The Scitarii got an almost identical release so it seems totally possible to hope for and imho that would give an awesome starting point for further improvements on the line. The only models not updated this way would be Repentias and some Characters and especially Celestine doesn't need a transition to plastic and while the Repentias DO need new models, they would need a seperate box which would not offer much to the other models except Eviscerators for your Characters.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 16:28:21
Subject: Re:How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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It has been a long while since I have spoken out in favor of the sisters, but I suppose I can come up with a few ideas.
Plastic 10 woman Sisters of Battle box. 10 helmets, 10 to 13 unhelmeted heads, full weapons list. This is your troop choice, so it best have everything.
Plastic clampack 5 woman set. 2 heavy flamers, 2 meltas, etc. 5 helmets, 5 to 8 unhelmeted heads, extra gubbins. This covers celestians and the rest of the various groups except the next batch.
5 pack of seraphim. Full range as above.
Adjust Penitent Engine to a MC. Give it a poor armor save but a good fnp roll for balance.
Sprinkle in a build a bear cannoness and call it done.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 16:43:50
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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Ten helmets please, everyone else gets the option for full helmets, why shouldn't we? Automatically Appended Next Post: Also, build-a-bear canoness. Epic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 16:49:48
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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Furyou Miko wrote:Ten helmets please, everyone else gets the option for full helmets, why shouldn't we?
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Also, build-a-bear canoness. Epic. 
Edited for corrections. Thank you as always Furyou. You always are the first to catch my oversights.
Now that I see it, 1 more thing can be added to the list;
Aquila lander to be added as fast attack.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 19:16:34
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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TheCustomLime wrote:
I would also like to see a "Forces of Ecclesiarchy" supplement that includes Frateris Militia and some big cheese priests.
Or, you know, they could actually include that content as part of the codex
Unyielding Hunger wrote:
Aquila lander to be added as fast attack.
Why an Aquila lander? It has a single gun and a tiny tranpsort capacity, IIRC. What would be its purpose?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 20:01:10
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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It looks absolutely badass and could easily be dual-kitted into an attack craft.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 20:58:39
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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I hope they get something entirely new, as far as a flier goes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 21:49:29
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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Furyou Miko wrote:It looks absolutely badass and could easily be dual-kitted into an attack craft.
I have been thinking about a Flier too.
Fist the Stormraven, but no, to Marine
The the Valarie, but no, to Guard
But the Aquila lander, that fits them almost perfect, make a gunship version with an Avenger or Punisher and Maybe...Maybe rockets.
Paint the pilot as Black Widow, Epic Levels Complete.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 21:59:28
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 22:02:56
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The Aquila was my first choice, too. People talked me out of it for my 5e codex IIRC, but still.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 22:07:04
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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JohnHwangDD wrote:The whole "Sisters are Knights / SMs are Knights" confusion and overlap is a lot of the reason why Sisters don't sell. They're geared like SMs, but they're not as good because they don't have the statline, nor any of the high tech stuff, nor any of the long range gear. And the models cost a lot more. Sisters lack the notion of being walking heraldry, along with the conversion bitz to tailor the army to a personal vision.
But they have ridiculous "boob plate" armor which flies in face of the tech as described in 40k. They are fundamentally flawed in concept and execution, the Dan to Ultramarines Ryu and Black Legion Ken, rather than Sakura (much less Akuma).
Worse, they attract some of the most difficult adherents on the board who simply can't see that the army as-is is precisely why it cannot succeed.
See, the lack of a marine statline and lack of access to, for instance, thunderfires or grav weapons isn't an issue for me. I like that they aren't marines. I just also like that their faith powers are their own unique edge that makes them interesting and effective on the tabletop. Normally, a sister shouldn't have great odds against, say, a chaos marine. Throw some faith on her in the form of a few minor buffs though, and suddenly she's got a fighting chance. That's why I'd like to see a customizable "living saint" unit. Flashy miracles shouldn't be happening left and right with sisters, but having legends spring up around a sister whose weapon burns with holy fire near daemons or who survives mortal wounds is potentially cool. The chances of meeting said sister are up there with the chances of meeting a chapter master, so the "faith" angle wouldn't turn into a "look! See! Flaming sword!" angle. It would just be cool and different from other armies out there.
I feel that Sisters' niche could be better defined/explored, but the potential is there. Especially if you add in this whole, "Inspire the peasants" angle.
Boob plate isn't especially realistic, but it isn't a power armor bikini either. I'm willing to overlook the physics of armor plates considering it's A.) not as silly as many suits of female armor you see in media and B.) from a universe where fungus orks fight psychic ninja space elves. Plus there's the whole "no men at arms" thing, so you can sort of write it off as an aesthetic choice rooted in the culture of the ecclesiarchy. I wouldn't object to boobless plate armor either though. And honestly, I think the sisters' power armor armor is pretty darn cool looking. I actually like it quite a bit more than most images of marine power armor I see.
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ATTENTION. Psychic tests are unfluffy. Your longing for AV is understandable but misguided. Your chapter doesn't need a separate codex. Doctrines should go away. Being a "troop" means nothing. This has been a cranky service announcement. You may now resume your regularly scheduled arguing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/08/16 22:09:42
Subject: How would you update Sisters of Battle for 7e?
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Solahma
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Wyldhunt wrote:And honestly, I think the sisters' power armor armor is pretty darn cool looking.
100% agree and of course that's the real reason for the design.
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