[40k] Death Masque Starter/Boxed Set & Deathwatch Codex - Pics, luchiban's info, NEW pics in OP

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**Crimson**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
So Atia posted an image that shows the current setup of the Watch Companies.

Link?

Also, going back to the shotgun and Bolter issue, GW either has to allow it, or they have to say no special weapons on SM Bikes.

Well, they can errata it. In any case, I hope they address this issue soon in one way or another, people need to know how they can build their models.

**casvalremdeikun**

Cephalobeard wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:

Also, going back to the shotgun and Bolter issue, GW either has to allow it, or they have to say no special weapons on SM Bikes. Also, I really hope they fix it so a Watch Captain can take a Stalker Bolter. That way there is a reason for the Stalker profile of the Banebolts.

Or they'll just pull a John Madden and make a random ass ruling.

They wouldn't do that, would they? Not GW. The FAQs have been clear and non-contradictory!

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Crimson wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
So Atia posted an image that shows the current setup of the Watch Companies.

Link?

Also, going back to the shotgun and Bolter issue, GW either has to allow it, or they have to say no special weapons on SM Bikes.

Well, they can errata it. In any case, I hope they address this issue soon in one way or another, people need to know how they can build their models.

Also possible. Though I don't see how they could fix it without potentially breaking it worse.

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Just for fun, I think I want to get an Interrogator Chaplain miniature to convert into a Deathwatch Chaplain.

**Crimson**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Also possible. Though I don't see how they could fix it without potentially breaking it worse.

By removing 'melee weapon' line from the ranged weapons armoury instructions. Would also prohibit dual-wielding pistols, but it is impractically expensive in any case.

**tetrisphreak**

Crimson wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Also possible. Though I don't see how they could fix it without potentially breaking it worse.

By removing 'melee weapon' line from the ranged weapons armoury instructions. Would also prohibit dual-wielding pistols, but it is impractically expensive in any case.

Yeah that would be the simplest solution if that's their intent - swap ranged for ranged and melee for melee.

**casvalremdeikun**

Crimson wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Also possible. Though I don't see how they could fix it without potentially breaking it worse.

By removing 'melee weapon' line from the ranged weapons armoury instructions. Would also prohibit dual-wielding pistols, but it is impractically expensive in any case.

since veterans are the only ones that benefit from this oversight, this would probably fix the issue. Except you can still exchange yourate CCW for a Boltgun in the Ranged Weapons, and then the Boltgun for a Shotgun.

**Cephalobeard**

I'm honestly hoping they rule you get to keep both, as is written. I don't think having multiple firing modes, all under 24", is a wickedly overpowered option.

**tetrisphreak**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Crimson wrote:
casvalremdeikun wrote:
Also possible. Though I don't see how they could fix it without potentially breaking it worse.

By removing 'melee weapon' line from the ranged weapons armoury instructions. Would also prohibit dual-wielding pistols, but it is impractically expensive in any case.
since veterans are the only ones that benefit from this oversight, this would probably fix the issue. Except you can still exchange yourate CCW for a Boltgun in the Ranged Weapons, and then the Boltgun for a Shotgun.

No i think what he's saying is change the Ranged weapons to say "Boltgun or Bolt pistol for:", The special weapons to say "Boltgun for:" and leave the Melee weapons to read, "Boltgun, bolt pistol, and/or melee weapon..."

Then you can't have any more than 1 2-handed shooting weapon on a veteran, but are still free to upgrade them with dual lightning claws, etc. It also still allows the characters to take a boltgun instead of a bolt pistol etc (though with a chaplain or captain that would be silly as you'd lose +1 Atk)

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Cephalobeard wrote:
I'm honestly hoping they rule you get to keep both, as is written. I don't think having multiple firing modes, all under 24", is a wickedly overpowered option.

100% agree, however i want to play the army in whatever way kelly and cruddace intended me to.

**Leth**

Honestly, it doesnt strike me as this super big deal that it needs to be errata-ed or FAQed out. They did it in the past when things like cmd squads couldnt actually buy weapons they needed to buy.

It strikes me as the sort of thing where it is not game breaking in any way, and is pretty cool, so they will just let you play as you play.

**Cephalobeard**

We'll see. I went back and forth with them on Warhammer TV for about an hour before they "Sent it to the rules team", and also got emails from them advising they'd consult the rules team.

I'm... excited to hear something.

**casvalremdeikun**

Fluffwise, it makes perfect sense for the DW to be carrying Shotguns and Boltguns. They are equipped to deal with nearly every threat. This is why their Frag Cannons and Infernus Heavy Bolters are so versatile and they have Bolt Pistols with Special Issue Ammunition. They plan for every contingency possible.

**Cephalobeard**

That's why it seems entirely intentional.

**cuda1179**

So, as long as we are looking at what is a legal weapons combination..... Does it look like terminators with Cyclone missile launchers, thunder hammers, and storm shields is legal, or illegal?

**Cephalobeard**

No reason to not be legal. Its just 70pts or so, per model.

**VictorVonTzeentch**

cuda1179 wrote:
So, as long as we are looking at what is a legal weapons combination..... Does it look like terminators with Cyclone missile launchers, thunder hammers, and storm shields is legal, or illegal?

Legal, but expensive.

**harkequin**

I've got my fingers crossed they give the okay to roll with both shotguns and bolters. It's just a fantastic level of versatility that would make DW veterans stand out, even from sternguard.

**casvalremdeikun**

cuda1179 wrote:
So, as long as we are looking at what is a legal weapons combination..... Does it look like terminators with Cyclone missile launchers, thunder hammers, and storm shields is legal, or illegal?

Totally legal. There is nothing at all preventing you from doing it. Probably the most expensive, but also most effective loadout.

**Mr_Rose**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
So Atia posted an image that shows the current setup of the Watch Companies. Artemis is the Watch Captain of Watch Company Tertius (3rd Company). My Crimson FISTS are the 3rd Company(decided immediately when I built my Captain back when I first started). My Blood Angels are the 3rd Company(decided when I bought Deathstorm when it came out). My Deathwatch will be the 3rd Company.

Weird little tidbit, I am also the third child in my family. Perhaps the universe is trying to tell me something.

It's trying to tell you that Riker was right and you have to decompress the shuttlebay to save the ship.

**StevetheDestroyeOfWorlds**

cuda1179 wrote:
So, as long as we are looking at what is a legal weapons combination..... Does it look like terminators with Cyclone missile launchers, thunder hammers, and storm shields is legal, or illegal?

Deathwing have been able to do that for a while too

**Wolfblade**

Wait, but doesn't the TH/SS entry say exchange ALL weapons? Or is that simply gonna be subject to the "can't trade bought wargear for more wargear"?

**casvalremdeikun**

Wolfblade wrote:
Wait, but doesn't the TH/SS entry say exchange ALL weapons? Or is that simply gonna be subject to the "can't trade bought wargear for more wargear"?

Just take the CML after you exchange his weapons.

**Verviedi**

This was just posted on Naftka's blog, pertaining to the End Times. It may possibly have some truth to it. Possibly.

Naftka wrote:
http://natfka.blogspot.rs/2016/08/40k-primarchs-and-demon-primarchs.html?m=1

This is coming from yet another source, talking about how things are about to step even further towards midnight. Primarchs and Demon Primarchs coming to 40k, a huge Black Crusade Campaign.

via anonymous sources on Faeit 212
Primarchs and Demon Primarchs are coming to 40K.

They won't be the same as they are in 30K. They're going to be slightly different to account for the 10k year gap.

We will be seeing The Lion, Russ, Guilliman, Khan, Mortarion, Angron, Perturabo and Magnus.

It will be once all of the 'end times' build up has finished (all of the latest campaigns) and we enter the new age (8th edition).

GW wants to cash in on FW success with the HH series as well as the fact that we're returning to a 'Golden Era' style GW with the new CEO and Merchandising and Marketing Director - Meaning they are actively listening to us, the customers and are proactively doing what we want now.
(Just look at the new Monthly WD with battle reports and painting guides, the new Get Started sets, the new clip n play introductory kids sets, the FAQ/Errata they're doing, the Points Systems for AoS, the social media interaction with the Facebook groups and new Warhammer TV talk show etc!!)

GW has been paying attention to the success of the HH/30K and to us wanting storyline advancement and more excitement (whilst not wanting a full AoS style reboot) and 8th edition is going to be that. (The latest campaigns, Baal, Curse of the Wulfen, Death Masque etc are all part of that lead up).

Apparently there is going to be a huge global campaign based around the next Black Crusade and a huge push by Chaos - As well as Nids doing their thing, the Orks going on a Rampage, The Tau pushing out, The Eldar getting themselves involved, The Necrons rising up and The Imperium battling on all fronts. (Business as usual but things are much more desperate!).

There will be storyline advancement on a scale we've not seen before!!

Apparently, the next Campaign will feature the Ordo Hereticus and Chaos and after that, we will be seeing the final stages of the lead up - with lots of new a chaos goodies including those Greater Demons, Rubric Marines, Plague Marines and everything else chaos related that's coming!

**pm713**

I totally believe that.

**Gamgee**

Calling it now. Tau will invent a new FTL/or discover warp travel style. We're coming for you. 4th sphere of expansion. Possibly even the destruction of Ultramar or necessitating the awakening of Ol Roboute him to try and save/salvage/stave of the realms destruction/conquest.
My Ta'unar the Danger Zero will be proud to serve in the upcoming campaign.

Spoiler:

I can't wait for the space marine rage.

**Blacksails**

No Vulkan eh? Didn't he just disappear much the same as Russ and Khan?

**Gamgee**

I hope we'll see the next Tau titan by then which will be bigger. The one of equivalence to the raver class. We know its coming in lore, we just don't know when IRL.

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All forces and factions likely need to fight Necrons due to their awakening.

**Kanluwen**

Blacksails wrote:
No Vulkan eh? Didn't he just disappear much the same as Russ and Khan?

It's a Naftka rumor. Never mind that Vulkan is literally the only Loyalist Primarch whose activities we know about post-Heresy(spoiler: "The Hunt for Vulkan" isn't just a title...), of course he won't show up.

**Verviedi**

Gamgee wrote:
I hope we'll see the next Tau titan by then which will be bigger. The one of equivalence to the raver class. We know its coming in lore, we just don't know when IRL.

Edit
All forces and factions likely need to fight Necrons due to their awakening.

Please, no. The Supremacy is already a complete breach of common sense. I'd rather have a giant hover tank like the Planetary Annihilation Atlas Titan.

**Blacksails**

Kanluwen wrote:
Blacksails wrote:
No Vulkan eh? Didn't he just disappear much the same as Russ and Khan?

It's a Naftka rumor. Never mind that Vulkan is literally the only Loyalist Primarch whose activities we know about post-Heresy(spoiler: "The Hunt for Vulkan" isn't just a title...), of course he won't show up.

Well yeah, I've got my salt pile to my right here for these rumours, but man, I'd be a little upset if Vulkan didn't show in case of a big primarch highschool reunion party.

**shade1313**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
So Atia posted an image that shows the current setup of the Watch Companies.

Interesting. Of what's in the picture, there's a good spread of chapters represented in the watch captains and sergeants. 2 each Imperial Fists, Space Wolves, Ultramarines, three Blood Angels.

It's this sort of thing, plus what looks like 100-200+ personnel for a typical Watch Fortress and who knows how many in Watch Stations, that makes me wonder just how many members from a typical chapter are farmed out to DW at any particular time. Which chapters send higher numbers? Which send as few as possible or none at all? How many of any one chapter are you likely to have at a given Watch Fortress, or even within a kill team?

All sorts of interesting questions.

**Gamgee**

Verviedi wrote:
Gamgee wrote:
I hope we'll see the next Tau titan by then which will be bigger. The one of equivalence to the raver class. We know its coming in lore, we just don't know when IRL.

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All forces and factions likely need to fight Necrons due to their awakening.

Please, no. The Supremacy is already a complete breach of common sense. I'd rather have a giant hover tank like the Planetary Annihilation Atlas Titan.

Why not both?