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 angelofvengeance wrote:

 CoteazRox wrote:
So with all the stuff being sold on eBay, if I am only interested in the new Harlequin rules and formation(s), which book / booklets should I be looking for?

You're after the A4 size booklet with a colour print of Brother Captain Artemis on the cover + the Codex Harlequins if you want to go in deep.

Thanks! I have the codex so only looking for the new rules. Also have a ton of unpainted models which are the next now. Although all those diamonds are scaring me.

Ohman wrote:
You can have one of mine, I have several. PM an address and we'll sort it out!

Amazing! PM sent.

This is a good day.

@CoteazRox: No worries! Look up GW's WarhammerTV channel on YouTube and there's a couple of Harlequin tutorials. Should be able to do it in no time

 Yodhrin wrote:
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How exactly are you planning a year ahead when you don't know what's going to be released? As for "Just don't buy it on release day" that's hardly a very useful sentiment given GW's penchent for limited-run boxes, splash-releases etc - I already have a purchase plan going out well over .

Simple. I don't have to have newest kit all the time. There's enough miniatures from lots of companies for me to buy so gw releases something nowi have no pressing need to buy it now now now.

Also week or two is no biggie for preplanning. Hobby budget is planned more like start of month. Not every week. For USEFULL prewarnings i use sources like sad panda, hastings etc who told of deathwatch months ago. So if i wanted to make sure i have money on release date that is when to start.

 CoteazRox wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 CoteazRox wrote:
So with all the stuff being sold on eBay, if I am only interested in the new Harlequin rules and formation(s), which book / booklets should I be looking for?

You're after the A4 size booklet with a colour print of Brother Captain Artemis on the cover + the Codex Harlequins if you want to go in deep.

Thanks! I have the codex so only looking for the new rules. Also have a ton of unpainted models which are the next now. Although all those diamonds are scaring me.

Ohman wrote:
You can have one of mine, I have several. PM an address and we'll sort it out!

Amazing! PM sent.

This is a good day.

I'm in exactly the same boat as you regarding the Harlequins and the Diamonds, I've had the Codex and the models for months, but they have sat in my pile of shame for ages waiting for me to get up the guts to paint them. Well they shall wait no longer. I'm going to finish a Tervigon I've got half finished and then they will get started.

Angel of Vengeance speaks the truth when he advises to watch the Warhammer tv video about doing the diamonds, it's really good, I'd also practice doing them on some junk models first and see how you get on, practice makes perfect after all. Even if you have to waste a tenner on a box of those push fit space marines that GW sells, buy some and paint them up as Harlies. That's what I am thinking of doing to get my hands confident.

Finally get some brushes you are super confident with. I've got a couple of the artificer brushes and I really like them, other people swear by Windsor and Newton, whatever brush your comfy with will do the trick, but it will make the world of difference.

Good luck dude I hope we both get our Harlies done soon.

 Alpharius wrote:
What's the 'real' meltafist look like in comparison?

That one there looks like it would be hard to use as a 'fist'...

Pretty similar tbh.

I might grab the boxset just to have the models.

 General Kroll wrote:

I'm in exactly the same boat as you regarding the Harlequins and the Diamonds, I've had the Codex and the models for months, but they have sat in my pile of shame for ages waiting for me to get up the guts to paint them. Well they shall wait no longer. I'm going to finish a Tervigon I've got half finished and then they will get started.

Angel of Vengeance speaks the truth when he advises to watch the Warhammer tv video about doing the diamonds, it's really good, I'd also practice doing them on some junk models first and see how you get on, practice makes perfect after all. Even if you have to waste a tenner on a box of those push fit space marines that GW sells, buy some and paint them up as Harlies. That's what I am thinking of doing to get my hands confident.

Finally get some brushes you are super confident with. I've got a couple of the artificer brushes and I really like them, other people swear by Windsor and Newton, whatever brush your comfy with will do the trick, but it will make the world of difference.

Good luck dude I hope we both get our Harlies done soon.

Don't work hard, work smart. Get yourself a Pigma Micron 005 and paint consistent lines easy with little effort and with the same consistent thickness. Sorry for sounding like a bad infomercial.



You can see its use on this video, really helped me!

 Zewrath wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

I'm in exactly the same boat as you regarding the Harlequins and the Diamonds, I've had the Codex and the models for months, but they have sat in my pile of shame for ages waiting for me to get up the guts to paint them. Well they shall wait no longer. I'm going to finish a Tervigon I've got half finished and then they will get started.

Angel of Vengeance speaks the truth when he advises to watch the Warhammer tv video about doing the diamonds, it's really good, I'd also practice doing them on some junk models first and see how you get on, practice makes perfect after all. Even if you have to waste a tenner on a box of those push fit space marines that GW sells, buy some and paint them up as Harlies. That's what I am thinking of doing to get my hands confident.

Finally get some brushes you are super confident with. I've got a couple of the artificer brushes and I really like them, other people swear by Windsor and Newton, whatever brush your comfy with will do the trick, but it will make the world of difference.

Good luck dude I hope we both get our Harlies done soon.

Don't work hard, work smart. Get yourself a Pigma Micron 005 and paint consistent lines easy with little effort and with the same consistent thickness. Sorry for sounding like a bad infomercial.



You can see its use on this video, really helped me!

Nice, I will give that a try

Well, those new Deathwatch models are quite nice looking. They certainly look more 'unique' on a model-by-model basis compared to my 5000pts that used the original metal upgrade kit and standard marines with kit-bashing.

Unfortunately I won't be buying any - £44 for a single 10-man squad of tactical marines and other high prices are off-putting. Especially when an entire metal army (~25 models upwards) for saga costs £33. I'll keep my eyes peeled for fleabay opportunities in the meantime.

I'm assuming the Deathwatch codex doesn't make use of Storm Talons and Storm Ravens if it has this nifty looking Black Star waffle iron (Which I rather like!)

 Wulfmar wrote:
Well, those new Deathwatch models are quite nice looking. They certainly look more 'unique' on a model-by-model basis compared to my 5000pts that used the original metal upgrade kit and standard marines with kit-bashing.

Unfortunately I won't be buying any - £44 for a single 10-man squad of tactical marines and other high prices are off-putting. Especially when an entire metal army (~25 models upwards) for saga costs £33. I'll keep my eyes peeled for fleabay opportunities in the meantime.

I'm assuming the Deathwatch codex doesn't make use of Storm Talons and Storm Ravens if it has this nifty looking Black Star waffle iron (Which I rather like!)

£44 for ten man squads isn't really relevant when the idea is for the squads to be fielded in 5 man kill teams, sometimes with a single terminator, biker or character added in for flavour.

They really don't operate like normal space marines.

Nope, no mention at all of Stormravens/talons/hawks.

Hi all. Quick query. Are the DW troops able to take standard Heavy Weapons? I've got a few DW marines I was putting together from before Deathwatch: Overkill was released and one of them had a standard Heavy Bolter. Is he still legal?

The other I am now unsure about was a White Scars DW marine with two power lances in a martial arts stance - just seemed to aesthetically work and it was possible if you used the DW as "counts as". Is he gonna have to just be one for the display shelf?

Yep, you can take a Heavy Bolter (or Heavy Flamer or Missile) on Kill Team Marines, up to 4 per squad.

The two Power Weapons is fine as well, though since you're paying 15 points just to get the extra attack, I'd count one as a regular CCW even if it's modelled as a PW. (Veterans come with a Bolter and CCW standard, so swap the Bolter for a PW and keep the CCW, rules-wise).

 TP^DC Deputy Manager wrote:
Hi all. Quick query. Are the DW troops able to take standard Heavy Weapons? I've got a few DW marines I was putting together from before Deathwatch: Overkill was released and one of them had a standard Heavy Bolter. Is he still legal?

The other I am now unsure about was a White Scars DW marine with two power lances in a martial arts stance - just seemed to aesthetically work and it was possible if you used the DW as "counts as". Is he gonna have to just be one for the display shelf?

Yes - 4 heavies per veteran squad.

Your biker could still count as a power weapon, but wouldn't get the bonus for 2 since they only can buy 1 in their datasheet.


Edit comprehension fail. You can do 2 ccws on veterans.

Paradigm wrote:Yep, you can take a Heavy Bolter (or Heavy Flamer or Missile) on Kill Team Marines, up to 4 per squad.

The two Power Weapons is fine as well, though since you're paying 15 points just to get the extra attack, I'd count one as a regular CCW even if it's modelled as a PW. (Veterans come with a Bolter and CCW standard, so swap the Bolter for a PW and keep the CCW, rules-wise).

tetrisphreak wrote:

 TP^DC Deputy Manager wrote:
Hi all. Quick query. Are the DW troops able to take standard Heavy Weapons? I've got a few DW marines I was putting together from before Deathwatch: Overkill was released and one of them had a standard Heavy Bolter. Is he still legal?

The other I am now unsure about was a White Scars DW marine with two power lances in a martial arts stance - just seemed to aesthetically work and it was possible if you used the DW as "counts as". Is he gonna have to just be one for the display shelf?

Yes - 4 heavies per veteran squad.

Your biker could still count as a power weapon, but wouldn't get the bonus for 2 since they only can buy 1 in their datasheet.


Edit comprehension fail. You can do 2 ccws on veterans.

Cheers gents. They may not have as nice mouldings as the new DW, but I quite liked what I had put together. I was gutted at the thought I couldn't use them.

@tetrisphreak - I completely understand the comprehension fail! I know WSs are normally on bikes, but I just couldn't think of a better chapter for a samurai-style load out and pose

 General Kroll wrote:

 Zewrath wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

I'm in exactly the same boat as you regarding the Harlequins and the Diamonds, I've had the Codex and the models for months, but they have sat in my pile of shame for ages waiting for me to get up the guts to paint them. Well they shall wait no longer. I'm going to finish a Tervigon I've got half finished and then they will get started.

Angel of Vengeance speaks the truth when he advises to watch the Warhammer tv video about doing the diamonds, it's really good, I'd also practice doing them on some junk models first and see how you get on, practice makes perfect after all. Even if you have to waste a tenner on a box of those push fit space marines that GW sells, buy some and paint them up as Harlies. That's what I am thinking of doing to get my hands confident.

Finally get some brushes you are super confident with. I've got a couple of the artificer brushes and I really like them, other people swear by Windsor and Newton, whatever brush your comfy with will do the trick, but it will make the world of difference.

Good luck dude I hope we both get our Harlies done soon.

Don't work hard, work smart. Get yourself a Pigma Micron 005 and paint consistent lines easy with little effort and with the same consistent thickness. Sorry for sounding like a bad infomercial.

Spoiler:

You can see its use on this video, really helped me!

Spoiler:

Nice, I will give that a try

Excellent! Now I am almost looking forward to paint them. Almost.

Warhammer TV video shows Black Shield being made with HTH.

I... I don't understand.

Cephalobeard wrote:
Warhammer TV video shows Black Shield being made with HTH.

I... I don't understand.

I modeled mine with a HTH. Why can't they take one? Upgrade a Veteran with a HTH then upgrade him to a Black Shield. I see no problem

Similar to Space Marine apothecaries. Per GW FAQ, You can't give units items and then upgrade them to something else, or something along those lines.

In which case a Black Shield can take no upgrades and none of the GW ones in pictures have legal weapon loadouts. Seems stupid that they can only have the standard Bolter/CCW loadout.

Well, my one will be HTH as I only play at home and I say it's ok

 Nostromodamus wrote:
In which case a Black Shield can take no upgrades and none of the GW ones in pictures have legal weapon loadouts. Seems stupid that they can only have the standard Bolter/CCW loadout.

Well, my one will be HTH as I only play at home and I say it's ok

Not really? Blackshields are still "a model" so they can take "any model" upgrades, just not "any veteran" or "up to four veterans" upgrades.

That said, can Veteran squads Combat Squad? The rule is there in the army rule section on p.102 but not mentioned int he veteran squad entry despite the rule itself only mentioning Veterans…

The general consensus until a FAQ is that as the Black shield has a separate profile from the standard Veterans he can only take the options that refer to "any model" not the ones that say a "Veteran may". So he can take melee, ranged and special weapons and replace his bolter or cc weapon with a storm shield. But he cant take heavy weapons or the heavy thunder hammer.

Edit- Same would probably apply to the Sarge as well.

Those of you who have managed to get your power-fists onto a copy of the codex - would you say it's significantly different to say, a standard marine codex?

How difficult would you think the conversion of an existing marine force into a Deathwatch force would be?

I ask as I have 5K 'Deathwatch' based around Crimson Fists sternguard with Kantor in drop-pods with an Ultramarine allies detachment (All painted and converted as Deathwatch).

Oh, I'm reading this all wrong then.

Never mind.

 Wulfmar wrote:
Those of you who have managed to get your power-fists onto a copy of the codex - would you say it's significantly different to say, a standard marine codex?

How difficult would you think the conversion of an existing marine force into a Deathwatch force would be?

I ask as I have 5K 'Deathwatch' based around Crimson Fists with Kantor in drop-pods with an Ultramarine allies detachment (All painted and converted as Deathwatch).

There are a few differences as DW don't have access to the full SM armoury and there are a some odd restrictions on options for some of the units/models they do share, mostly based on what's available as a plastic model. The DW section of the web store should give you a good idea. Top of my head they share...
Rhinos and Razerbacks
Land raiders(all three)
Drop pods
Bikes(no attack bikes or special weapons though)
Vanguard vets
Standard and Venerable Dreads(in the kit options only)
Power armour Chaplins(no jump packs or bikes)
Liberians(no jump packs or bikes)
Terminators
Power armour Marines can take H.Bolters, H.Flamers, Missile launchers and all four special weapons.
Commanders(no bikes)

 Wulfmar wrote:
Those of you who have managed to get your power-fists onto a copy of the codex - would you say it's significantly different to say, a standard marine codex?

How difficult would you think the conversion of an existing marine force into a Deathwatch force would be?

I ask as I have 5K 'Deathwatch' based around Crimson Fists sternguard with Kantor in drop-pods with an Ultramarine allies detachment (All painted and converted as Deathwatch).

Er, it's quite a bit different. The only Troops unit is the Veteran squad of 5-10 models but those models can take damn near anything.
There are no Tactical or Devastator squads, though the base vets can take enough heavy weapons to fill in for the latter. The only other squads in the book are Teminators, Vanguard Veterans, and Bikes, all of which are in units of 1-5 models only.
You have the usual array of armour, minus the Predator and its variants, but plus the new flying assault transport.
You also get the usual array of heroes though the chapter master equivalent has almost zero customisation options.

I think maybe if you listed what you've got someone might be able to tell you if you need to rebuild a bunc of stuff or not…

That's cool - thanks for the summary guys

I'll make a separate thread and write down the models I have in the army builder to save cluttering up this one further

Advice is much appreciated

 Mr_Rose wrote:
Er, it's quite a bit different. The only Troops unit is the Veteran squad of 5-10 models but those models can take damn near anything.

Except Grav cannons

tneva82 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
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How exactly are you planning a year ahead when you don't know what's going to be released? As for "Just don't buy it on release day" that's hardly a very useful sentiment given GW's penchent for limited-run boxes, splash-releases etc - I already have a purchase plan going out well over .

Simple. I don't have to have newest kit all the time. There's enough miniatures from lots of companies for me to buy so gw releases something nowi have no pressing need to buy it now now now.

Also week or two is no biggie for preplanning. Hobby budget is planned more like start of month. Not every week. For USEFULL prewarnings i use sources like sad panda, hastings etc who told of deathwatch months ago. So if i wanted to make sure i have money on release date that is when to start.

If you're going to argue a point, try quoting the whole thing and then actually addressing it.

Has anyone else noticed the sprue for the libby doesn't match the picture, like at all?








Either they just included the wrong sprue pic or they messed up big time. That sprue pic is for this libby: