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LightKing wrote:

Tastyfish wrote:

LightKing wrote:

Tastyfish wrote:

LightKing wrote:
Ok Magnus coming back, a Daemon Primarch, means this has to be the biggest shift in 40k since when?

Scale shift for model making really - daemon primarchs have been active and about for a while, especially in Epic and in the novels. Angron came out a few years ago for apocalypse, as part of the coverage for the 3rd War of Armageddon (for prequel altar or war missions).

true, but if the rumors are correct, then we are going to see some loyalist primarchs come back which will definitely be a big shift

Particularly as most have 30K era models from Forgeworld. Russ coming back a monster, and another (Lion/Vulkan/Guilleman) coming back as an angelic/Celestant Prime type character would make sense - but not sure they'd update the full set as if nothing happened.
That's assuming they all stay loyal...afterall, the Druchii were vindicated when Malekith turned out to be the true Phoenix King after all.

You mean Russ would come back as a Wulfen or something?

Sad Panda said specifically that we wouldn't see Russ, it will be some other loyalist primarch and presumably one that hasn't been released as a model from FW.

I'd almost put money on Sanguinus as the outside chance - lot easier to do wings in plastic, perfect first (Living) Saint of the Imperium, and hasn't Blood Angel lore being going in that direction recently with the Sanguinor?

Kind of refreshing to see GW sharing all this stuff ahead of time. It is what I hoped when white dwarf started to be more backward looking. I hope GW can start to to be even more open in the future. A gradually increasing scale of hints from about 3 months out would be perfect.
I think the imperial agents book is a good idea. Taking rules from white dwarf, virtual codexes and physical codexes and putting it all in one place is great.
It makes the cannoness rumour seem much more believable too.
It is also kind of crazy that this is all coming in December. Until only a couple of years ago GW only released bundles at this time. This year we a getting a primarch, a whole range of new minis, 5 books and more bundles than usual.

 Arbitrator wrote:

Thommy H wrote:

If there are nine factions as advertised, what do we think they'll be?

- Inquisition
- Adepta Sororitas
- Officio Assassinorium
- Deathwatch (probably just a standard Kill Team squad)
- Grey Knights (just terminators?)
- Adeptus Astra Telepathica
- Adeptus Custodes
- Sisters of Silence?

That leaves one slot free. New plastic SoB I can believe, but would they release something else? Arbites, for example? Seems unlikely. The other possibility is Militarum Tempestus, I suppose.

Adeptus Arbites. They had rules back in the Witch Hunters book and a shotgun wielding, carapace wearing unit would be pretty unique, not to mention the riot shields and shock mauls.

Militarum Tempestus also seems likely, since they were always a mini-codex anyway.

Legion of the damned is likely.

I wonder if these will just be reprints of the ebook codexes for sisters assassins and inquisition with a few formations thrown in.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:

Thommy H wrote:

If there are nine factions as advertised, what do we think they'll be?

- Inquisition
- Adepta Sororitas
- Officio Assassinorium
- Deathwatch (probably just a standard Kill Team squad)
- Grey Knights (just terminators?)
- Adeptus Astra Telepathica
- Adeptus Custodes
- Sisters of Silence?

That leaves one slot free. New plastic SoB I can believe, but would they release something else? Arbites, for example? Seems unlikely. The other possibility is Militarum Tempestus, I suppose.

Adeptus Arbites. They had rules back in the Witch Hunters book and a shotgun wielding, carapace wearing unit would be pretty unique, not to mention the riot shields and shock mauls.

Militarum Tempestus also seems likely, since they were always a mini-codex anyway.

Legion of the damned is likely.

Adepta Sororitas
Ordo Assassinorium.
Ordo Hereticus
Ordo Xenos
Ordo Malleus
Legion of the Damned
Legio Custodes
Sisters of Silence

How interesting that I just accepted a new job offer... Then I come here and read this and my wallet just sits on my computer stand smiling at me, ever so lovingly.

 Korinov wrote:
As much as I like to see CSM finally getting some attention, I can't just shake the sinking sensation that this will be little more than a brutal cash grab, with insanely overpriced models and supplements, and said supplements will have quite a short lifespan if, as rumored, 9th edition arrives shortly after and shakes things up.

I fear too many people will be left severly disappointed in the end.

Have you been in a cave through recent releases, Genestealers, Deathwatch, hell Raven Guard and many more.
Prices have been great and the codexes and rules have been the most fun and interesting in some time.
Even the previous Russ suppliment gave Chaos some life.
Models have been amazing, prices have been better than previous releases.

Post edited for rule 1, be polite

Tastyfish wrote:
I'd almost put money on Sanguinus as the outside chance - lot easier to do wings in plastic, perfect first (Living) Saint of the Imperium, and hasn't Blood Angel lore being going in that direction recently with the Sanguinor?

Potentially, but the fluff is vague and doesn't the Sanguinor to be any one person over another.

It's just as likely to be Azkaellon (the founder of the Sanguinary Guard) or a Psychic Projection as much as it is Sanguinius.

Personally I hope his background remains a mystery, but if they do reveal it he shouldn't be Sanguinius reborn.

 BloodGrin wrote:

 Korinov wrote:
As much as I like to see CSM finally getting some attention, I can't just shake the sinking sensation that this will be little more than a brutal cash grab, with insanely overpriced models and supplements, and said supplements will have quite a short lifespan if, as rumored, 9th edition arrives shortly after and shakes things up.

I fear too many people will be left severly disappointed in the end.

GTFO.
Seriously.
What does GW have to give you mouth breathers where you will stop coming in and trying to piss on everyone's parade with stupid negativity.
Have you been in a cave through recent releases, Genestealers, Deathwatch, hell Raven Guard and many more.
Prices have been great and the codexes and rules have been the most fun and interesting in some time.
Even the previous Russ suppliment gave Chaos some life.
Models have been amazing, prices have been better than previous releases.
But no. Always some negative git has to roll in and try to hide their negativity behind looking out for others.

(Yes mods, I know...I own it.)

They guy doesn't even know that he next edition is 8th. As long as these aren't a 50 point unit that costs £25 i'm fine with pricing. Except Khárn. £22 fo one guy is insane.

Traitor Legions is 136 pages, soft back.

http://i.imgur.com/e2KDPny.jpg Found the image on reddit, so don't have more details.

 Genestealer Acolyte wrote:
Traitor Legions is 136 pages, soft back.

http://i.imgur.com/e2KDPny.jpg Found the image on reddit, so don't have more details.

Already posted but thanks for trying

 BloodGrin wrote:

 Korinov wrote:
As much as I like to see CSM finally getting some attention, I can't just shake the sinking sensation that this will be little more than a brutal cash grab, with insanely overpriced models and supplements, and said supplements will have quite a short lifespan if, as rumored, 9th edition arrives shortly after and shakes things up.

I fear too many people will be left severly disappointed in the end.

GTFO.
Seriously.
What does GW have to give you mouth breathers where you will stop coming in and trying to piss on everyone's parade with stupid negativity.
Have you been in a cave through recent releases, Genestealers, Deathwatch, hell Raven Guard and many more.
Prices have been great and the codexes and rules have been the most fun and interesting in some time.
Even the previous Russ suppliment gave Chaos some life.
Models have been amazing, prices have been better than previous releases.
But no. Always some negative git has to roll in and try to hide their negativity behind looking out for others.

(Yes mods, I know...I own it.)

If they don't immediately invalidate all this wonderful new stuff with 8th edition, I'll be happy.
Your full of gak with price comment though.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Tastyfish wrote:
I'd almost put money on Sanguinus as the outside chance - lot easier to do wings in plastic, perfect first (Living) Saint of the Imperium, and hasn't Blood Angel lore being going in that direction recently with the Sanguinor?

Potentially, but the fluff is vague and doesn't the Sanguinor to be any one person over another.

It's just as likely to be Azkaellon (the founder of the Sanguinary Guard) or a Psychic Projection as much as it is Sanguinius.

Personally I hope his background remains a mystery, but if they do reveal it he shouldn't be Sanguinius reborn.

As a living saint, possessed by the spirit of Sanguinius - no reason it couldn't be both. Sanguinius Reborn could have been both Sanguinius and Azkaellon in a previous life, plus a bunch of other blood angel spirits all merged into one thing and given a new life. Sigmar was also Karl Franz after to possession/merging of spirits.

But anyway, this is neither rumours or news but speculation. Just reckon if loyalist primarchs return in 40K, they're probably not just going to be marine models.

LightKing wrote:
So is this actually moving the fluff foward?

yup

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
The paragraph that references the army picture only talks about Wrath of Magnus, not Traitor Legions.

No doubt Traitor Legions is just Formations and all that while Wrath of Magnus contains the TSon/Daemons cross stuff.

It's also possible that we'll get our first multi-faction Decurion Detachment.

Traitors Legions is a 136pages softback book, with Army wide rules, detachements, artifacts, objectives, Warlord traits for ALL OF THE 9 LEGIONS.

And it merly cost 25euro or 35$!

Lets say a good 60-80pages of fluff and photo gallery, thats still 60-ish pages of rules.

Man, I hate to be greedy but hoping for some rule leaks soon.

I really want to know where to go to get rules for the 1k sons.

Wrath of Magnus? Traitor Legions? Will they get new point costs? Re haul of Tzeentch powers?

As much as I want this whole range of models these questions must be answered.. I cant take it anymore!

I agree. Greedy. I need rules otherwise this is false excitement!

Slayer le Boucher on b&c said the white dwarf gives names for the new weapons.

The rocket pack on the terminator is a hellfyre launcher, the cannon he says is a old school AC reaper cannon and they also get a heavy warp flamer.

Rubrics have warp flamers and a soul reaper cannon.

 Genestealer Acolyte wrote:
Traitor Legions is 136 pages, soft back.

http://i.imgur.com/e2KDPny.jpg Found the image on reddit, so don't have more details.

Wasn't Traitor's Hate supposed to be the supplement for CSM? Lol.

Those sound cool. Torrent would be a nice touch.

Traitors Hate was a supplement to field a force on a Black Crusade.

So any rules for Magnus yet?

All praise be to Tzeentch, Architect of Fate!

Is Magnus still suppose to be Red though?

LightKing wrote:
So any rules for Magnus yet?

In the wrath of Magnus book :

The returning loyalist Primarch will be Omegon in the guise of Janus.

Grey Knights and Alpha Legion get first loyalist Primarch, tears flow.

So probably 1ksons new units in Wrath of Magnus, overall legion rules and formations in Traitor legions and Codex CSM for the bulk of everything else

GoatboyBeta wrote:
So probably 1ksons new units in Wrath of Magnus, overall legion rules and formations in Traitor legions and Codex CSM for the bulk of everything else

They could put the Tzeentch rules in both the Wrath of Magnus AND Traitor Legion supplement. Not the first time- they did it for Tau with Kauyon and the new Tau codex, and then MontKa and the updated Farsight Enclaves supplement.

Not to mention Angels of Death was just White Scar and Raven Guard stuff from Kauyon (or was it Mont'ka that they were in?) plus updated versions of Sentinels of Terra & Clan Raukaan along with a few new rules.

Traitor Legions might be similar by having stuff from Traitor's Hate, the Black Legion Supplement and Wrath of Magnus plus some other stuff that does't have nearly as much effort put in to it.