Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons

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**A Town Called Malus**

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

The guy on the right is clearly petitioning that Axe beats Rock.

The guy just to the left of him is playing DDR.

**Slayer-Fan123**

Slayer le boucher wrote:
LightKing wrote:
Slayer le boucher wrote:
Like i said Eldrad died ( even if it was retconned he still dead for me) and tycho died, their models and profiles for those who wants to play them in a "historical" way.

Even if Logan dies, it doesn't mean that he won't be playable anymore, it will instead add to the drama around the character.

thats also a reason why people want to see him dead, because it makes sense.

He is the greatest defender and champion of Humankind, its a logical step to have him sacrifice himself for what he belief, it adds depth and a sense of duty and tension to a character.

Having him survive everything thrown at him just " because" only enforce the "plot armour" syndrome, where if someone reads something about him been in "grave danger" they'de be like " well not much of danger here, he's the main character he won't die, thats boring", but him dying put back tension into the story and some drama, where you can again feel excitement because their destinies are unsure.

And whats more Marines life by the sword, and die by the sword.
What makes you think Logan is greater than any of the other chapter masters as a champion of humanity?

Simple, 1st War for Armageddon.

Logan going head to head with GK grand master, because he doesn't like the fact that they have to kill off all the population and IG that fought against the Chaos Hordes of Angron.

Any other Chapter MAster will be like" okay Gk's do your duty" Him? he told them to feth off, he thinks about the small people, unlike all the others who see Imperial Citizens and IG's or anything below Astartes just as fodder and low lifes.

Thats whats make him Humankind greatest Champion, the others are the Imperium Champions, wich for me is not the same thing.

Even though they were clearly a risk? They're a bunch of short sighted donkey-caves.

**Jehan-reznor**

Well if Logan bites the dust defeating Magnus, off course that would mean Ragnar woulf be come the Wolf Lord!

**nintura**

Slayer le boucher wrote:
LightKing wrote:
Slayer le boucher wrote:
Like i said Eldrad died ( even if it was retconned he still dead for me) and tycho died, their models and profiles for those who wants to play them in a "historical" way.

Even if Logan dies, it doesn't mean that he won't be playable anymore, it will instead add to the drama around the character.

thats also a reason why people want to see him dead, because it makes sense.

He is the greatest defender and champion of Humankind, its a logical step to have him sacrifice himself for what he belief, it adds depth and a sense of duty and tension to a character.

Having him survive everything thrown at him just " because" only enforce the "plot armour" syndrome, where if someone reads something about him been in "grave danger" they'de be like " well not much of danger here, he's the main character he won't die, thats boring", but him dying put back tension into the story and some drama, where you can again feel excitement because their destinies are unsure.

And whats more Marines life by the sword, and die by the sword.
What makes you think Logan is greater than any of the other chapter masters as a champion of humanity?

Simple, 1st War for Armageddon.

Logan going head to head with GK grand master, because he doesn't like the fact that they have to kill off all the population and IG that fought against the Chaos Hordes of Angron.

Any other Chapter MAster will be like" okay Gk's do your duty" Him? he told them to feth off, he thinks about the small people, unlike all the others who see Imperial Citizens and IG's or anything below Astartes just as fodder and low lifes.

Thats whats make him Humankind greatest Champion, the others are the Imperium Champions, wich for me is not the same thing.

Salamanders say "what's up bro?"

**Ashiraya**

Please tell me that's not GMC wolves in the background.

**LightKing**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Slayer le boucher wrote:
LightKing wrote:
Slayer le boucher wrote:
Like i said Eldrad died ( even if it was retconned he still dead for me) and tycho died, their models and profiles for those who wants to play them in a "historical" way.

Even if Logan dies, it doesn't mean that he won't be playable anymore, it will instead add to the drama around the character.

thats also a reason why people want to see him dead, because it makes sense.

He is the greatest defender and champion of Humankind, its a logical step to have him sacrifice himself for what he belief, it adds depth and a sense of duty and tension to a character.

Having him survive everything thrown at him just " because" only enforce the "plot armour" syndrome, where if someone reads something about him been in "grave danger" they'de be like " well not much of danger here, he's the main character he won't die, thats boring", but him dying put back tension into the story and some drama, where you can again feel excitement because their destinies are unsure.

And whats more Marines life by the sword, and die by the sword.
What makes you think Logan is greater than any of the other chapter masters as a champion of humanity?

Simple, 1st War for Armageddon.

Logan going head to head with GK grand master, because he doesn't like the fact that they have to kill off all the population and IG that fought against the Chaos Hordes of Angron.

Any other Chapter MAster will be like" okay Gk's do your duty" Him? he told them to feth off, he thinks about the small people, unlike all the others who see Imperial Citizens and IG's or anything below Astartes just as fodder and low lifes.

Thats whats make him Humankind greatest Champion, the others are the Imperium Champions, wich for me is not the same thing.

Even though they were clearly a risk? They're a bunch of short sighted donkey-caves.

How did Draigo react to Logan when he said that?

**NinthMusketeer**

Pretty sure he was carving a name into Mortarion's heart or something around that time, so wasn't present.

**455_PWR**

Oh no. I really hope the rumors and theories aren't true about Russ. I hope to god he wasn't turned into a giant naked werewolf... I see the giant werewolf in the back of that picture that is much larger than the thunderwolf on the right side (and standing on two legs).

As a primarch, he should be able to heal and keep from mutation. It would be a horrible abomination if he turned into a mindless or even mindful wulfen. It would be awesome if he returned in splendant decorated armor with his spear and sword.

It would be even better if he had to team up with the Lion to kill Magnus. Brothers become brothers again??? It would be a shame if he turned into a big beast like the lion used to kill and needed to be purged by the glory of the 1st legion.

**buddha**

I thought the wolves in the back are just statues.

**Matt.Kingsley**

They're statues. The art is from Part 1.

It depicts the Wolves' leaders discussing the Wulfen and what should be done with them/what they are.(Or at least, that's the passage it accompanies)

**Davor**

Veteran Sergeant wrote:

The guy on the right is clearly petitioning that Axe beats Rock.

Those giant wolves in the background. Are they statures or Wolves the size of titans?

*edit*

I guess that is what happens when you leave a page open and don't hit enter properly and do it late. I see the answers above me.

**Kirasu**

455_PWR wrote:
Oh no. I really hope the rumors and theories aren't true about Russ. I hope to god he wasn't turned into a giant naked werewolf... I see the giant werewolf in the back of that picture that is much larger than the thunderwolf on the right side (and standing on two legs).

As a primarch, he should be able to heal and keep from mutation. It would be a horrible abomination if he turned into a mindless or even mindful wulfen. It would be awesome if he returned in splendant decorated armor with his spear and sword.

It would be even better if he had to team up with the Lion to kill Magnus. Brothers become brothers again??? It would be a shame if he turned into a big beast like the lion used to kill and needed to be purged by the glory of the 1st legion.

It would just be another example of current GW writers ignoring their own backstory and the FW Horus Heresy series. Primarchs *are* created with warp knowledge and thus wouldn't be affected in any normal manner.. There is no real reason that a Primarch would degenerate since they don't have "geneseed" since that is a Space Marine thing.

**LightKing**

Russ coming back as a Wulfen would be quite lame indeed, agree with you guys

**Snake Tortoise**

Gargantuan monstrous creature wolves would be the final straw

Or maybe Russ coming back as a GMC wulfen, on a super heavy sleigh (new unit type) pulled by two GMC wolves

**Nuclear Mekanik**

For anyone thinking that there is no way GW would put the axe to Grimnar (so to speak) remember that the most successful fantasy series ever at the moment is Game of Thrones... for those of you who hadn't read the books, who foresaw Ned Stark losing his head at the end of Series 1? I wouldn't be surprised if new GW are taking note and going "Huh, so you can kill off a main character and people still buy in to it?"

Could be that they think adding a bit of gritty realism to their Grimdark space fantasy might help more people buy into new GW/endtimes/emperor times?

Just a thought... personally I have no desire to see Logan killed off, even if his dorky sled is silly. (SW player here)

**Warhams-77**

First the Changeling fooled the Dark Angels. Now the Tzeentch daemons in the White Dwarf blurb fool the Space Wolves. And DakkaDakka too, it seems.

Automatically Appended Next Post:

Wrath of Magnus is technically part 3 of the WZF Storyline. The first two (campaign book and MacNiven's Legacy of Russ) are a recommended read. Especially those MacNiven stories, now being re-released as a tie-in novel (part 2) which connect the campaign books.

**Slinky**

Sorry, couldn't see this in the first post - Do we know what this supplement does for Death Guard yet, please?

**JohnnyHell**

No. We have literally a paragraph of text to go in.

**jimraynor**

LightKing wrote:
Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Slayer le boucher wrote:
LightKing wrote:
Slayer le boucher wrote:
Like i said Eldrad died ( even if it was retconned he still dead for me) and tycho died, their models and profiles for those who wants to play them in a "historical" way.

Even if Logan dies, it doesn't mean that he won't be playable anymore, it will instead add to the drama around the character.

thats also a reason why people want to see him dead, because it makes sense.

He is the greatest defender and champion of Humankind, its a logical step to have him sacrifice himself for what he belief, it adds depth and a sense of duty and tension to a character.

Having him survive everything thrown at him just " because" only enforce the "plot armour" syndrome, where if someone reads something about him been in "grave danger" they'de be like " well not much of danger here, he's the main character he won't die, thats boring", but him dying put back tension into the story and some drama, where you can again feel excitement because their destinies are unsure.

And whats more Marines life by the sword, and die by the sword.
What makes you think Logan is greater than any of the other chapter masters as a champion of humanity?

Simple, 1st War for Armageddon.

Logan going head to head with GK grand master, because he doesn't like the fact that they have to kill off all the population and IG that fought against the Chaos Hordes of Angron.

Any other Chapter MAster will be like" okay Gk's do your duty" Him? he told them to feth off, he thinks about the small people, unlike all the others who see Imperial Citizens and IG's or anything below Astartes just as fodder and low lifes.

Thats whats make him Humankind greatest Champion, the others are the Imperium Champions, wich for me is not the same thing.

Even though they were clearly a risk? They're a bunch of short sighted donkey-caves.

How did Draigo react to Logan when he said that?

His answer to Logan was..I LIKE HAM !!! and then he ran off to follow his dream and he became a sun

**techsoldaten**

We don't actually know what it does for anyone, sorry.

Looking through some past posts on the new Legions dex has revealed an awful amount of wishlisting, tho. Some of it is amusing to read.

**Slinky**

Cheers - I have a few half-built Nurgle marines around the place, this could be the spur to get them done

**Crimson**

455_PWR wrote:
It would be a horrible abomination if he turned into a mindless or even mindful wulfen.

Nah. That would be the only way to maintain the theme of the setting about the Imperium decaying and everything turning into crap. Shiny superhero in his shiny armour returning to save the day would be extremely lame. A former hero turned into a monster finding the last glimmer of his humanity in order to save the day would be nicely grim dark.

**Kirasu**

GW would sell a lot of 50$ books to all the 18-23 year olds tho if they went the super hero route. Wizards of the Coast has done it with the Gatewatch to mimic The Avengers.

I wouldn't be surprised if more and more companies create teams of super heroes to sell product with!

**Lord Scythican**

LightKing wrote:
kronk wrote:
LightKing wrote:
mrhappyface wrote:
LightKing wrote:
wasn't it said that Logan surpassed Russ in combat ability?

I believe the word that was used was "almost". Russ is 10,000 years older than Grimnar and has seen far more conflict.

i meant in pure power and fighting ability...does Logan surpass Russ?

Russ is a Primarch, so no. Logan could be a complete badass, though.

Primarchs are superior to 30k regular astartes

but Primarchs compared to 40k regular astartes are equal

Really? So a tactical marine can take this guy out?

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/fw_warscrolls/Leman%20Russ%20Rules.pdf

**jreilly89**

Warhams-77 wrote:
Via Wraithwing on B&C, the original source is Warseer (on FB)

- 2 campaign books featuring Dark Angels and The Fallen
- Models for Luther, Merir Astelan and Lion El Johnson

Link: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/328036-the-hunt-da-the-fallen-luther-the-lion/

Sounds interesting

Be still, my heart. I would love this

**Ratius**

Primarchs are superior to 30k regular astartes

but Primarchs compared to 40k regular astartes are equal

Hmmm? Not sure on that even by half. What are you basing this off?

**Caederes**

LightKing wrote:
Primarchs are superior to 30k regular astartes

but Primarchs compared to 40k regular astartes are equal

Please tell me you're joking?
Legionnaires were MORE skilled than their 40K counterparts.
Even if the opposite was true, a Primarch has an incredible genetic advantage over a Space Marine.
In what world would a regular Space Marine be the equal of a bloody Primarch!?
Oh, and to answer your question, Logan would get ripped apart by Russ but might put up a bit of a fight.

**Roknar**

Yea, just like it's even more preposterous that a space marine could beat a daemon primarch in single combat and rip out his heart.....oh wait. -_-
Which is to say it makes no sense and seriously diminishes the awe surrounding primarchs, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

**Caederes**

Roknar wrote:
Yea, just like it's even more preposterous that a space marine could beat a daemon primarch in single combat and rip out his heart.....oh wait. -_-
Which is to say it makes no sense and seriously diminishes the awe surrounding primarchs, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Ridiculous as it was, Draigo was a Grey Knight, not a "regular Astartes". Didn't he know Mortarion's true name as well? Makes a big difference with Daemons.

**Vash108**

Caederes wrote:
Roknar wrote:
Yea, just like it's even more preposterous that a space marine could beat a daemon primarch in single combat and rip out his heart.....oh wait. -_-
Which is to say it makes no sense and seriously diminishes the awe surrounding primarchs, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Ridiculous as it was, Draigo was a Grey Knight, not a "regular Astartes". Didn't he know Mortarion's true name as well? Makes a big difference with Daemons.

Did he have his super special deamon killing sword too?