Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons

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**Nvs**

Davor wrote:

Saw this on Lady Atia's site in the comments section. Don't recall seeing this here.

Latro_the_Zombie > Daniil Osudin • 2 hours ago

rumours from 4chan

Rubric Marines

Same stats as a basic chaos space marine, but has a 5++. 140pts for 5 with aspiring sorcerer. 22pts per extra, up to 5 extra.
Inferno bolters: same stats as a bolter but ap3 and soulblaze.
Warpflamer: 10pts upgrade, ap3 flamer with soulblaze.
Soulreaper cannon: 30pts upgrade. s5, ap3, heavy 5.
Aspiring sorcerer is a level 1 psyker.

Scarab occult terminators:
300pts for 5, 50pts for each additional one. ws5, bs4, s4, t4, w2, i4, a2, ld10, 2+/4++
Leader has 3 wounds and 3 attacks.
Can sweeping advance.
Combi inferno bolters are same as inferno bolters but twin linked.
Heavy warpflamer is 10pts and is a strength 5 warpflamer.
Soulreaper cannon is same as above.
Hellfyre missile packs: dual profile- s4, ap3, small blast or s8 ap3. 20pts per model.

Those stats are from 4chan and the poster wasn't willing to show proof. There was also a post further down that said they weren't 100% accurate. So I'd be careful with that leak.

If it turns out to be true though, Rubrics somehow managed to become worse :/

**LightKing**

See I thought The Lion was in an underground tunnel, I didn't know he was in The Rock, a space ship

so The Lion will be the first loyalist to come back it seems

**Imateria**

LightKing wrote:
See I thought The Lion was in an underground tunnel, I didn't know he was in The Rock, a space ship

so The Lion will be the first loyalist to come back it seems

Well it's both, The Rock is literaly a chunk of Caliban, the Dark Angels home planet, that has been turned into a space ship. So technically he is underground.

The fact that the Rock is currently above Fenris does make The Lion the most suitable candidate to be the first loyalist Primarch in plastic, but who knows who it's really going to be.

**LightKing**

What if this is the first loyalist primarch to come back...I would be hyped

**nintura**

That would be a helluva trick.

**mrhappyface**

LightKing wrote:
What if this is the first loyalist primarch to come back...I would be hyped

I guess we would have to kill him again and tell him to stay dead.

**Slayer-Fan123**

The rumored Soul Reaper cannon is meh. Nice rate of fire at least.

Also having Soul Blaze standard for the Rubrics really helps. Otherwise don't care and want other Legion junk.

**LightKing**

I heard a possibility that Black Library might retcon Sanguinius death....?

**A Town Called Malus**

LightKing wrote:
I heard a possibility that Black Library might retcon Sanguinius death....?

How? That is one of the defining moments of the Horus Heresy.

Then again, this is Black Library, they might actually be that incompetent to think it is a good idea.

**Daedalus81**

Nvs wrote:

If it turns out to be true though, Rubrics somehow managed to become worse :/

I'm willing to bet formations will get them back to 4++ and further. No worries, yet.

**Chad Warden**

Great with Sanguinius back we can get pure geneseed and cure the Blood Angels
No more furious charge and death company

I think the first loyalist primarch would be from a less popular legion, if they brought back (say) Corax they could also sell a Raven Guard codex and a bunch of new units, might entice people to start playing Raven Guard.

**Azreal13**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
LightKing wrote:
I heard a possibility that Black Library might retcon Sanguinius death....?

How?

The more pertinent question is "where" I feel.

If the answer is any more credible than "while I was asleep" I'll be surprised.

**Hulksmash**

Huh, if that's true for the termites chaos may have a workable deathstar on their hands. Lack of ap2 would be the problem but it'd survive most anything. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

**Skerr**

We have not seen what their kopesh swords do. We can speculate it as normal ps with ap3. But who knows of they have anything else like shred or armor Bane.

50 points is steep but also 2 wounds, the ability to sweep, strong leadership. Excited to see the rest.

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Termies that is. Do normal termies have ws5?

Don't have dex in front of me.

**casvalremdeikun**

Chad Warden wrote:
Great with Sanguinius back we can get pure geneseed and cure the Blood Angels
No more furious charge and death company

They would still have Furious Charge since that is part of the Red Thirst, not the Black Rage.

**Slayer le boucher**

Nope, wich is a falacy.

If they are the best of the best, they should be WS/BS 5 imo.

**casvalremdeikun**

Skerr wrote:
We have not seen what their kopesh swords do. We can speculate it as normal ps with ap3. But who knows of they have anything else like shred or armor Bane.

50 points is steep but also 2 wounds, the ability to sweep, strong leadership. Excited to see the rest.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Termies that is. Do normal termies have ws5?

Don't have dex in front of me.

All power swords are AP3...

We don't know what the base stats of the Terminators will be. It is unlikely they will be WS5 though.

**unmercifulconker**

The art and that diorama of the Emperor facing off against Horus while Sanguinius is dead on the ground is one of the most memorable things about Warhammer, no way are they gonna retcon his death.

Was there any fluff on what they did with Sanguinius' body? Like could there be a possibility that someone tried to heal him or was it outright stated Sanguinius died there?

**kronk**

Imateria wrote:
kronk wrote:
The Sorcerer leading the unit is a powerful psyker in his own right (note: not an Aspiring Sorcerer, a full on bona-fide Sorcerer). With a Mastery Level of 2, and access to 11 psychic disciplines, he adds a lot of flexibility to how this squad can function in your army.

11 powers. The basic rule book powers each have 7 (6 + primaris) and the god's have 4 (3+ primaris ). That's 11.

So Tzeentch + ? Something new? Biomancy? Divination? The fire one?

Access to 11 disciplines does not mean they'll have 11 powers at the same time.

I never said they would.

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Kraytirous wrote:
The Lion is at Fenris because the DA brought their entire fleet, including The Rock, to bomb the daylights out of it.

As far as psychic disciplines, CSM do not have access to divination (haven't since our 6.0 codex). There are 7 rulebook disciplines, we have access to 6. We got 4 new ones in Traitor's Hate, bringing it up to 10. Finally the Lore of Tzeentch (presumably with updated powers to bring it up to 7 powers at last), to make 11.

Ah! I was mixing up powers and disciplines! Thanks for that!

**FoxPhoenix135**

2 wound terminators with improved invul saves? Leader with 3 wounds and ML 2? AP3 weapons? All for 300 points? I am not so sure about that. That would make them substantially better than regular terminators for the points, especially if they have any access to AP2. Unless we have a substantial amount of power creep in this release, it seems a bit far fetched to me. I could be wrong though.

**Cephalobeard**

I always am confused as to why he's drawn with Blonde hair.

It's supposed to be dark, like the emperors.

**A Town Called Malus**

Cephalobeard wrote:
I always am confused as to why he's drawn with Blonde hair.

It's supposed to be dark, like the emperors.

Because he looks fabulous.

Same reason he has black nail polish on his thumbnail.

**LightKing**

Im just confused with the statuses of the primrachs now

The Traitor side there are 7 daemon primarchs currently, and 2 that are dead are Horus and Curze

but on the loyalist side, 8 are still alive and the only one dead is Sanguinius, right?

**dienekes96**

Isn't Mannus dead?

**Davor**

dienekes96 wrote:
Isn't Mannus dead?

Who is Mannus?

**LightKing**

by the way im interested if this is going to lead to some problems between Magnus and Abaddon

because The Thousand Sons are actually under the command of Abaddon, as he is leader of the Chaos Space Marines

possible conflict

**welshhoppo**

9 Traitor in total, 9 Loyal.

2 Confirmed Dead Loyalists (Mannus and Sangy)

2 Confirmed dead traitors (Horus and Kurze)

Everyone else has the potential to reappear in 40K.

**LightKing**

welshhoppo wrote:
9 Traitor in total, 9 Loyal.

2 Confirmed Dead Loyalists (Mannus and Sangy)

2 Confirmed dead traitors (Horus and Kurze)

Everyone else has the potential to reappear in 40K.

what about Alpharius/Omegron?

**jifel**

welshhoppo wrote:
9 Traitor in total, 9 Loyal.

2 Confirmed Dead Loyalists (Mannus and Sangy)

2 Confirmed dead traitors (Horus and Kurze)

Everyone else has the potential to reappear in 40K.

*spoilers for HH Praetorian of Dorn*

Spoiler:

**Skerr**

casvalremdeikun wrote:
Skerr wrote:
We have not seen what their kopesh swords do. We can speculate it as normal ps with ap3. But who knows of they have anything else like shred or armor Bane.

50 points is steep but also 2 wounds, the ability to sweep, strong leadership. Excited to see the rest.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Termies that is. Do normal termies have ws5?

Don't have dex in front of me.
All power swords are AP3...

We don't know what the base stats of the Terminators will be. It is unlikely they will be WS5 though.

Yes I mentioned AP3 as standard for PS.
WS5 is based on the rumored statline which has not been proven or disproven.

I must not have been clear on those 2 points.