Daemon Primarch Magnus/Wrath of Magnus/Traitor Legions Codex Supplement/Thousand Sons

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**Cephalobeard**

Spoiler:

*spoilers for HH Praetorian of Dorn*

Spoiler:

I thought it was just about 100% certain that Alpharius gets killed by Dorn? Like torn in half by chainsword, no surviving, no doubt who it was, game over. Of course there are two primarchs for the AL, so he could certainly make a return as Omegon, but my thoughts were that the primarch died there.

**BloodGrin**

Nvs wrote:
Davor wrote:

Saw this on Lady Atia's site in the comments section. Don't recall seeing this here.

Latro_the_Zombie > Daniil Osudin • 2 hours ago

rumours from 4chan

Rubric Marines

Same stats as a basic chaos space marine, but has a 5++. 140pts for 5 with aspiring sorcerer. 22pts per extra, up to 5 extra.
Inferno bolters: same stats as a bolter but ap3 and soulblaze.
Warpflamer: 10pts upgrade, ap3 flamer with soulblaze.
Soulreaper cannon: 30pts upgrade. s5, ap3, heavy 5.
Aspiring sorcerer is a level 1 psyker.

Scarab occult terminators:
300pts for 5, 50pts for each additional one. ws5, bs4, s4, t4, w2, i4, a2, ld10, 2+/4++
Leader has 3 wounds and 3 attacks.
Can sweeping advance.
Combi inferno bolters are same as inferno bolters but twin linked.
Heavy warpflamer is 10pts and is a strength 5 warpflamer.
Soulreaper cannon is same as above.
Hellfyre missile packs: dual profile- s4, ap3, small blast or s8 ap3. 20pts per model.

Those stats are from 4chan and the poster wasn't willing to show proof. There was also a post further down that said they weren't 100% accurate. So I'd be careful with that leak.

If it turns out to be true though, Rubrics somehow managed to become worse :/

I will bite...please tell me how they got worse?
They are cheaper, they can have an ap3 flamer. Their bolters have soul blaze without having to pay for the icon, there is a strong chance that they will not be SNP and possibly have grenades.
So PLEASE tell me how they got worse?

**Roknar**

WS5/BS5 has always been a bringers of despair thing so far. I'd be pleasantly surpried to see that change.

**jojo_monkey_boy**

Cephalobeard wrote:

Spoiler:

The whole point of Alpharius had many doubles, and we won't ever know if it was him. Because just because.

*spoilers for HH Praetorian of Dorn*

Spoiler:

I thought it was just about 100% certain that Alpharius gets killed by Dorn? Like torn in half by chainsword, no surviving, no doubt who it was, game over. Of course there are two primarchs for the AL, so he could certainly make a return as Omegon, but my thoughts were that the primarch died there.

Spoiler:

**Abadabadoobaddon**

Will laugh so hard if they lose Slow & Purposeful just in time for them to get their very first heavy weapon.

**Crazyterran**

If those stats are true, everyone to the Centurion boat, it's not a drill!

**nudibranch**

BloodGrin wrote:

I will bite...please tell me how they got worse?
They are cheaper, they can have an ap3 flamer. Their bolters have soul blaze without having to pay for the icon, there is a strong chance that they will not be SNP and possibly have grenades.
So PLEASE tell me how they got worse?

Worse invuln.

**Cephalobeard**

Spoiler:

jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Cephalobeard wrote:

Spoiler:

The whole point of Alpharius had many doubles, and we won't ever know if it was him. Because just because.

*spoilers for HH Praetorian of Dorn*

Spoiler:

I thought it was just about 100% certain that Alpharius gets killed by Dorn? Like torn in half by chainsword, no surviving, no doubt who it was, game over. Of course there are two primarchs for the AL, so he could certainly make a return as Omegon, but my thoughts were that the primarch died there.

Spoiler:

If it's anything at all, ADB, one of the authors behind the Heresy series, is on record stating he personally thinks Alph is dead. It's not absolutely conclusive but I take it as a strong nudge towards it having happened.

**Kraytirous**

LightKing wrote:
Im just confused with the statuses of the primrachs now

The Traitor side there are 7 daemon primarchs currently, and 2 that are dead are Horus and Curze

but on the loyalist side, 8 are still alive and the only one dead is Sanguinius, right?

Angron, Magnus (see OP

), Mortarion, Fulgrim, Lorgar and Perturabo are all Daemon Princes now (that's 6).

Alpharius, Horus, and Curze are officially dead (unofficially, we don't know about Alpharius).

Loyalist side we have 4 fates.

Run off into EoT to fight chaos: Russ, Corax, Khan (webway for Dark Eldar)
Dead: Ferrus Manus (Iistvan Dropsite massacre), Dorn (The Scouring, his skeletal hand is now on The Phalanx), Sanguinius (Battle of Terra)
Disappeared but definitely alive: Vulkan
Severely wounded but healing: Roboute Guilliman (he's on Macragge), Lion El'johnson (he's in The Rock)

The total tally is 6 daemon primarchs, 1 possibly alive primarch for the traitors.

The loyalists have 3 dead primarchs, 4 active, 2 out of action primarchs.

Fortunately for the loyalists, all of their active primarchs are in very vague places and can truly spring up out of nowhere to shoulder their way into any plot.

**Crazyterran**

Didn't Vulkan die in the beast arises series?

**mrhappyface**

nudibranch wrote:
BloodGrin wrote:

I will bite...please tell me how they got worse?
They are cheaper, they can have an ap3 flamer. Their bolters have soul blaze without having to pay for the icon, there is a strong chance that they will not be SNP and possibly have grenades.
So PLEASE tell me how they got worse?

Worse invuln.

What if they are just refering to the aura of dark glory 5++ invul and haven't included the mark of Tzeentch? That would bring them back to 4++.

**Kirasu**

So they're doubling down on low strength AP3 weapons.. hm, can't say that makes them any more attractive than before.

Not gonna do a damn good against 2+ chapter masters or other 2+ save models.

**Slayer le boucher**

From NZ GW site:

New datasheets, special rules and wargear for:
- Magnus the Red
- Ahriman
- Exalted Sorcerer
- Tzaangors
- Rubric Marines
- Scarab Occult Terminators

6 Formations for Codex: Chaos Space Marines:
- War Cabal
- War Coven
- Tzaangor Warherd
- Sekhmet Conclave
- Ahriman’s Exiles
- Rehati War Sect

Plus new and updated psychic disciplines:
- an updated Discipline of Tzeentch
- Sinistrum Discipline
- Heretech Discipline
- Ectomancy Discipline
- Geomortis Discipline

Thousand Sons special rules:
- 6 Thousand Sons Warlord Traits
- Chaos Artefacts of the Thousand Sons
- Thousand Sons Grand Coven Detachment
- 6 Thousand Sons Tactical Objectives
- 3 Thousand Sons Altar of War missions

New datasheets, special rules and wargear for:
- Pink Horrors
- Blue Horrors
- Brimstone Horrors

4 Formations for Codex: Chaos Daemons:
- Lorestealer Host
- Brimstone Conflagration
- Omniscient Oracles
- Heralds Anarchic

Plus new and updated daemonic loci and icons of Chaos.

Daemons of Tzeentch special rules:
- Tzeentchian Warp Storm table
- Pandemoniad of Tzeentch Detachment
- 6 Daemons of Tzeentch Tactical Objectives
- 3 Daemons of Tzeentch Altar of War missions

**Cephalobeard**

I wonder if you'll be able to use Magnus with Daemons, as opposed to only with Tsons.

Ugh. I need rules leaks.

**Chikout**

Preorders are up on the New Zealand site. The tzaangors are one of the weirdest releases I have ever seen from GW. It is a full multi part kit with options for a musician and a standard bearer, clearly designed for AOS. The box also comes with 2 identical sprues each containing 5 bolt pistols and 5 chainswords. Along with the photoshopped box art, this really feels like a rushed release and probably a last minute addition to the range.

**BloodGrin**

nudibranch wrote:
BloodGrin wrote:

I will bite...please tell me how they got worse?
They are cheaper, they can have an ap3 flamer. Their bolters have soul blaze without having to pay for the icon, there is a strong chance that they will not be SNP and possibly have grenades.
So PLEASE tell me how they got worse?

Worse invuln.

So everything else is better except the invul which is one point worse, when we have been hinted at heavily that formations may improve invul saves?

**The Deathless Host**

Models are up on the GW website.

CONFIRM 10 WARP FLAMERS PER BOX

**Kirasu**

I wonder if anyone at GW even considered that the new pink horrors rule is completely cumbersome in a game where you bring units of 15-20 models. More slowing down of the game just kills it further.

**BloodGrin**

Do we have a confirmed US price for the Limited Edition WoM?

**nudibranch**

BloodGrin wrote:
nudibranch wrote:
BloodGrin wrote:

I will bite...please tell me how they got worse?
They are cheaper, they can have an ap3 flamer. Their bolters have soul blaze without having to pay for the icon, there is a strong chance that they will not be SNP and possibly have grenades.
So PLEASE tell me how they got worse?

Worse invuln.

So everything else is better except the invul which is one point worse, when we have been hinted at heavily that formations may improve invul saves?

I wasn't agreeing with them, just stating what seems to be the point most seem to be bringing up.

**unmercifulconker**

Haha, the feathers on the back of Magnus' ankles makes it look like hes wearing big fur boots, cas hes faaaaabulous. Gotta return in style.

**Ghaz**

**unmercifulconker**

Ha, seems the Tzaangor is primarily the AoS kit as the chainswords and pistols are on their own little sprue, some of those cc weapons look kick ass and the banner looks delicious.

**ZebioLizard2**

FoxPhoenix135 wrote:
2 wound terminators with improved invul saves? Leader with 3 wounds and ML 2? AP3 weapons? All for 300 points? I am not so sure about that. That would make them substantially better than regular terminators for the points, especially if they have any access to AP2. Unless we have a substantial amount of power creep in this release, it seems a bit far fetched to me. I could be wrong though.

Regular Terminators are very poor and unused anyways, might as well have an option that is.

**mrhappyface**

Although the TS stuff is up on the site there are no blue/brimstone horrors in their own box or with the pink horrors. Can anyone else find them?

**unmercifulconker**

mrhappyface wrote:
Although the TS stuff is up on the site there are no blue/brimstone horrors in their own box or with the pink horrors. Can anyone else find them?

Nah they aint up, they'll prob be on their own week once the major releases are out.

**jah-joshua**

oh my goodness!!!

Magnus and Arhiman are must haves...
the rest get more tempting, the more i look at them...

so excited to see what is in the new White Dwarf tomorrow

cheers
jah

**Cephalobeard**

Magnus is incredible. Arhiman is incredible.

I'm not obsessed with the marines or the tzaangors.

I can't wait to see our ruuuules.

**Hive City Dweller**

Hmmm... Tzaangors appear to be viable as bolt pistol/chain sword or 2 close combat weapon variants.

Seems to me the kit was meant for AoS and the little upgrade sprue with chain sword sand guns was included to make them part of the release. Very neat shields included.

**unmercifulconker**

I love that 2 handed sword, did not expect this much variety with the Tzaangors.