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If the Blood Angels had Captain Dracula on Giant Vampire Bat you'd rip the piss out of them too, but they don't.

Canis Wolfborn was really the one that started the heavy handed wolf thing - his name is basically Wolfy mcWolfface, he's equipped with Wolf Claws, he's riding a Wolf... There's nothing comparable in the blood angels or dark angels ranges.

"Leman Russ, most fearsome of the Emperor's primarch sons"

So Mortarion, Horus, Curze, Angron and Perturabo don't count? All of those were pretty scary even before they turned traitor and became actual literal daemons and/or glowing red.

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 Bull0 wrote:
If the Blood Angels had Captain Dracula on Giant Vampire Bat you'd rip the piss out of them too, but they don't.

Canis Wolfborn was really the one that started the heavy handed wolf thing - his name is basically Wolfy mcWolfface, he's equipped with Wolf Claws, he's riding a Wolf... There's nothing comparable in the blood angels or dark angels ranges.

No, but the Blood Angels do have "blood fists" on their Dreadnoughts instead of power fists, even though they're exactly the same thing. And bloodstrike missiles. It's not as bad as the Space Wolves - they've yet to get Thunderblood Cavalry or Angelblood Bloodtalon Gunships - but it's still pretty bad.

 Bull0 wrote:
If the Blood Angels had Captain Dracula on Giant Vampire Bat you'd rip the piss out of them too, but they don't.

Canis Wolfborn was really the one that started the heavy handed wolf thing - his name is basically Wolfy mcWolfface, he's equipped with Wolf Claws, he's riding a Wolf... There's nothing comparable in the blood angels or dark angels ranges.

Pretty much this.

And the fact that he has claws... could you think of a less useful weapon for a cavalryman outside of just stock standard power fists?

 Bull0 wrote:
If the Blood Angels had Captain Dracula on Giant Vampire Bat you'd rip the piss out of them too, but they don't.

Canis Wolfborn was really the one that started the heavy handed wolf thing - his name is basically Wolfy mcWolfface, he's equipped with Wolf Claws, he's riding a Wolf... There's nothing comparable in the blood angels or dark angels ranges.

I wasn't implying that the Dark Angels or Blood Angels were comparable. I was simply stating that everybody picks and models their armies how ever they like. For the record if there was a Bat rider in 40k i would not " rip the piss out of them". I would just say its not for me, but I will gladly kill it in a game.

Let's also not forget Murderfang. I really want to see someone rise up and defend the naming scheme, there.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
Let's also not forget Murderfang. I really want to see someone rise up and defend the naming scheme, there.

Pobody's nerfect.

Actually Murderfang works pretty well for a bunch of space pseudovikings since they did use ekenames like that

it doesn't excuse the over the top naming in some other marine factions which don't have the same excuse though

Billymac321 wrote:

Spoiler:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Accolade wrote:
I like that it keeps the marines look less like caricatures of their particular themes. Space Wolves are particularly egregious with this in 40k, saturated head-to-toe in wolves.

What? You don't like these?


Or these?


Imagine if we could have a werewolf Space Wolf dude with wolf claws riding a space wolf? Wouldn't that be awesome?

Personally Canis Wolfborn is the Miniature that got me into Space Wolves. I never understood the bashing people do of what other people like. For me I like my Space wolves on thunderwolves or turned into werewolves, for others not so much. I personally have no interest in Blood angels or Dark angels, but I can see why people like them, and I don't go shame them for too many robes or winged blood drops on their models.This hobby is about getting together with friends or meeting new people. Not slamming things other people like just because you don't. Everybody has a opinion, and that is what message boards are for. But you can say you do not like something without insulting the people who do.

Brilliant post.

The truth is the hobby is what you make of it, if someone really doesn't like the overly wolfy aesthetic of the Space wolves, but still likes their old fluff, there's absolutely nothing stopping them building a classic looking space wolf army, there are plenty of bits available to do just that, especially on forgeworld.

Showed my wife the box contents and told her I was thinking of ordering one. She emailed back, you're getting 2, right? (She wants the Sisters).

fething A!

 kronk wrote:
Showed my wife the box contents and told her I was thinking of ordering one. She emailed back, you're getting 2, right? (She wants the Sisters).

fething A!

That's how you know GW nailed it with this release

 kronk wrote:
Showed my wife the box contents and told her I was thinking of ordering one. She emailed back, you're getting 2, right? (She wants the Sisters).

fething A!

Oh if your wife is ok...

Perfect wife ever *_*

I'll take 2 box for my New Space Wolves project Custodes and Sisters is just for fun.

Death Company should totally have bat-winged jump troops with space vampire heads! EASY retcon job for a new unit, and just give everything Shred and Rending and peeps will buy them whether they like the models or not!

Back to the topic please.

Thank you.

So...what do you suppose the probability of Custodes being released separately is?

They're definitely going to be released separately, as the Custodes are a multi part kit.

The Custodes shields look great. I'll have to use them as storm shields.

 Ashenwyte wrote:
They're definitely going to be released separately, as the Custodes are a multi part kit.

The Custodes shields look great. I'll have to use them as storm shields.

That's what I am hoping. Getting five more for a total of ten would be great. I like the Shields as well. The Custodes look over-the-top but that is a good thing, IMO. More Tartaros Terminators would be good too.

Almost certain. Everything in BaC is out on its own, and Custodes will probably be mighty popular anyway (especially with 40k rules as well).

On an unrelated note, if anyone in the UK is planning to pre-order and wants to offload the Sisters for a reasonable price, please let me know, I'd love to pick up a squad but it'll be a while before I can afford the full BoP set.

 Azazelx wrote:
Speaking of books, which HH novels go with the Prospero box? Obviously Prospero Burns. Any others?

And which - if any - go with Betrayal at Calth?

Know No Fear is the first Calth book, and A Thousand Sons is the good Prospero book.

If you think Space Wolf minis have gotten silly, just wait until you read Abnett's Prospero Burns, an attempt to distance Space Wolves from their slightly campy William King days by going full Batman and Robin over-the-top stupid.

I'm just going to get a box for christmas and buy a few sets of custodes soon.

Actually, Blood Angel Tactical Squads are BATS...

How do the Custodes work rule wise? Are they another faction like the Deathwatch? Wouldn't mind picking them and the Sisters up for some Allies for my Dark Angels.

 Paradigm wrote:
Almost certain. Everything in BaC is out on its own, and Custodes will probably be mighty popular anyway (especially with 40k rules as well).

On an unrelated note, if anyone in the UK is planning to pre-order and wants to offload the Sisters for a reasonable price, please let me know, I'd love to pick up a squad but it'll be a while before I can afford the full BoP set.

I'm hoping for separate releases for both Custodes and Sisters of Silence, but I'm always of the opinion of I'll not bank on it until I see it. I know Custodes should see a separate release, but how likely are Sisters to get the same?

I am also in the boat of wanting to pick up a squad of Sisters if people are planning on offloading them. We already have too many marines to justify buying another huge boxed set with 30 more Tac Marines just for the 5 Custodes and 5 Sisters. (I am under no illusion that people would sell their Custodes - crossing fingers for the separate army/box release for them.)

 jreilly89 wrote:
How do the Custodes work rule wise? Are they another faction like the Deathwatch? Wouldn't mind picking them and the Sisters up for some Allies for my Dark Angels.

I hope so. I really, really hope so. Lore wise I am beyond in love with Custodes, and want to field them more than anything.

Mathematically custodes should cost around £10 for 5. £95 for the box, I rounded up to £100. 47 miniatures, I rounded up to 50. Selling them for 15 (what i'm willing to pay) would get you a nice profit

 Bull0 wrote:
If the Blood Angels had Captain Dracula on Giant Vampire Bat you'd rip the piss out of them too, but they don't.

Canis Wolfborn was really the one that started the heavy handed wolf thing - his name is basically Wolfy mcWolfface, he's equipped with Wolf Claws, he's riding a Wolf... There's nothing comparable in the blood angels or dark angels ranges.

Weeeeeeell BA did had that vibe in 5-th edition - Blood angels Sanguinary guard with angelus boltguns that fires bloodshard ammo)
And there was that overly-angelic parts - and wings in particulary - Sanguinor-Astorath-Sanguinary guard all came with wings and wing bits.

Thankfuly that wasn't heavily used in new 7-th edition.

But I agree space wolves in 40k looks like they lived in Eye of terror all this years becoming a blue dog-worshipers instead of harsh-brutal-grey-norse-warriors as they were in 30k.

I think Prospero box is a perfect start for a truth space wolves player, not that McWolfy posers on wolves.

If the Blood Angels had Captain Dracula on Giant Vampire Bat you'd rip the piss out of them too, but they don't.

Touché

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:
So it looks like at long last SM are getting access to the mighty reaper autocannon. Maybe they'll finally be able to compete with their traitorous brethren on an even footing!

I nearly choked on my tea.....

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Mathematically custodes should cost around £10 for 5. £95 for the box, I rounded up to £100. 47 miniatures, I rounded up to 50. Selling them for 15 (what i'm willing to pay) would get you a nice profit

Even people selling off parts of the box are going to charge way more then that. Calth marines in sets of 10 were selling for 25$+ GWs contemptor selling separate is 60$, so people sell it for 30 on ebay. Basically take the price you think GW will sell it for, and half it and that is what it is worth on the secondhand market.

Some guesses, but based on calth...

10 Marines = 50$ gw = 25$ ebay
5 Custodes = 60$ gw = 30$ ebay
5 sisters = 60$ gw 30$ ebay
5 Termies = 65$ gw = 40$ ebay
Characters 50$ gw = 15$ish ebay (yea less then half but they are not in a high demand so they usually sell cheap.)

They might go 50 for SoS and Custodes, but I easily see them charging same as 5 termies.

This is why its just always better to buy this big box and sell off what you don't need then to buy a single box as it is crazy expensive.

$50 for Custodes & Sisters? Hm. $5/model is a little spendy, but not unreasonable. No hurry here.

I really like what they are doing with these themed Games in a Box, and in this case (just like BaC before it), the models are multi-part kits that will be released later. It gives people an opportunity to get the new minis and a (possibly) cool themed game to go along with them for cheaper than you would be able to buy them individually later. I love the characters, I love the Custodes and SoS, I even love most of the Marines...I've just never been a fan of the medieval knight looking helmets on the MkII/MkIII armor. I realize they are paying homage to the clasic design/concept art and cover art on the HH novels, and really these are a cleaned up CAD version of the ForgeWorld versions anyway...I just think they look goofy. I know this will appeal to tons of 40k/30k fans though, so good on GW and overall I am impressed despite my minor aesthetic nitpick.

I don't have the time or desire to keep up with all of the 30k novels and lore, but I still have a deep rooted love and appreciation for the whole HH concept as a back story to the 40k universe. I hope they keep doing stuff like this and developing the range of plastic models further...ultimately giving us the entire range of power armor marks from MkI to MkVIII and possibly beyond. The options create much more variety for collectors/gamers to field/paint Space Marine legions made up of several different versions. To me this makes sense thematically, showing the reverence they show for the wargear due to it's historical, spiritual, and monetary value to the chapter. It also allows collectors/gamers to field the Traitor Legions they want at the historical time-frame they desire AND makes for some really cool eclectic 40K Chaos Space Marine forces when mixed with the current (and hopefully, future) range of kits available.

I still want to do a Dark Angels Legion in their original black armor, but I am a sucker for MkVI Corvus 'beakie' armor as I first started collecting Space Marines back in the Rogue Trader era of the game. So, I am a bit torn, as I don't really know 'canon-wise' when the armor color change 'officially' happened....and, I'm operating under the assumption that MkVI power armor came post-HH and the breakup of the legions into chapters.

Also, I still hold on fairly strongly to the lore presented in the Deathwing expansion to the original Space Hulk game where the Deathwing started painting their Terminator armor bone-white (and Native American tribe theme, feathers, etc.) after the incident where Cloud Runner and friends liberated their plains-people tribes from the Genestealer infestation on their recruiting world. Was this before or after they changed from black to green? Has this been retconned?

Any of you lore-gurus care to enlighten me on how all of these issues 'line-up' historically in canon?