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 TalonZahn wrote:
Plot Twist: Cypher wasn't "bad" the whole time and was just looking for a cure for Papa Smurf.

Cypher heals Papa Smurf, then rallies all the Fallen Angels, and the big guy forgives them and they are back in as good guys.

Dark Angels still emo, but now confused.

Dark Angels have always been confused.

I wonder if Leviathan Dreadnought Carab Culln could take on Gorillaman...(once we find out their rules)

Really do not like the GW Guilliman model, at least in that photo, looks way over done. I'll be sticking with my FW Guilliman, metal Cypher and kit bashing the new Grey Knight. Will be great to have 40k rules for Guilliman.

So is this just the first trilogy of books in this story? Failbaddon dies in this one and comes back as a DP in a later book?

First I'm a little curious about how/why Rowboat is brought back. Cypher is neat, but an odd choice to show up randomly with Ultramarines. The Grey Knight guy is the first one I think looks pretty cool.

Here's my take: it's all part of the plan. Chaos/Abaddon do X, Y, Z knowing that it'll be so important/dangerous that a Primarch (more than one later?) will be raised as a result...with the intent of sparking a new Imperial civil war when they see what the Imperium has become? Perhaps out of sheer weirdness it'll be Gullyman heading to Terra at the head of a large force - instead of Chaos? (being puppet-stringed the whole way).

Add to it that maybe Abaddon gets slain only to rise as some form of super Chaos beasty (or as mentioned before - replaced by a new "chief" bad guy).

I'd like to see the story skew this way honestly. I'm tired of the slightly black-n-white good vs. evil approach. I'd like the turmoil of either A) a civil war of sorts, or B) Chaos actually starts winning - and winning big.

PS: I think Gullyman looks a bit pants.

Thebiggesthat wrote:
They are part of the base, not on his ankles as far as I can see

Looking at it again you might be right. They appear to be behind his feet.

Wow....the Dark Angels in the background are black. That's kind of cool. I wonder if they're fallen angels or if cypher somehow reunites the chapter. Probably not now that I write it.

Less CSM crying you just got two whole campaign books dedicated to you building up to this 3 part campaign. I think it's fine the rest of the 40k factions got 9 models to share between them.

For the grey knight I'm going to guess loken or garro. Either one is huge in grey knight lore and whereabouts unknown.

Regarding rowboatman let's wait to see the actually model outside of blurry bent cluttered shiny white dwarf scans.

I know I came late to the party, but CYPHER and GUILLIMAN?! AT THE SAME TIME?!

Well, I'm glad to see that the model design team has gone down the Chaos route of 'MORE BLING!!!1!111' for Guilliman...

I get that some people must like that, but it's really not for me. I'll stick to the FW one that's actually got some character to it (in that it's got some nice Roman cues and suchlike).

I really hope they keep Cypher mysterious too. Best part of his character is no-one really knows what on earth he's up to.

If they must, how about plot twist Cypher's not traitor...but the inner circle is! Shyamalaaaaaan!

So, will Guilliman and Cypher be marching to Terra in war?

It's strange, as I find the FW Gulliman static and characterless. I did think of doing UM in HH, but it was the Primach model that put me off, I went Salamanders in the end.

They are obviously fallen behind him then, do any of the books state how many there are left?

Well, I won't be needing this one unless Guilliman is really good. His model definitely looks pretty awesome. I literally just received my metal Cypher, so him being in there pisses me off a lot. Grey Knight is rather inconsequential. So far it is a pass.

gungo wrote:
Less CSM crying you just got two whole campaign books dedicated to you building up to this 3 part campaign. I think it's fine the rest of the 40k factions got 9 models to share between them.

For the grey knight I'm going to guess loken or garro. Either one is huge in grey knight lore and whereabouts unknown.

Regarding rowboatman let's wait to see the actually model outside of blurry bent cluttered shiny white dwarf scans.

That, and this is the Gathering Storm.

When said Storm breaks, that's when I reckon we'll get Chaos proper.

Is it just me or do those Smurfs look more purple?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
See that crate between Robert and the Terminators (band name?)....is that new scenery?

It's their amp!

with regards to the sword he's wielding :


...hmmm .....

I wonder how GW is going to keep Guilliman from turning the Imperium into this bright and shiny happy place of enlightenment.

The Primarchs occupy a place in Imperial religion like the Imperial equivalent of Archangels. How is the Imperium going to react if Guilliman turns around and says "No, actually the Emperor didn't want you to worship him at all. Get rid of all this religious stuff. You've been doing this all wrong"? If anyone in 40K these days can claim to know the Emperor's will, it would be the loyalist Primarchs.

How are they also going to prevent Guilliman and the new shiny Imperium from steamrollering every other faction? The Great Crusade created the Imperium because nobody else could really stand up to and defeat the Primarchs.

I expect GW to gloss over that, even though Guilliman pimped-slapped Lorgar over E-worshipping and that it's what kicked of the Heresy in the first place.

I expect in a paragraph of dialogue or 5 minutes of in-universe time Guilliman will accept all the changes 9000 years has brung so that we can quickly get to the story of 'How to kill Abaddon".

Who are the RED Dark Angels behind Cypher?

 Rippy wrote:
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Iracundus wrote:
I wonder how GW is going to keep Guilliman from turning the Imperium into this bright and shiny happy place of enlightenment.

The Primarchs occupy a place in Imperial religion like the Imperial equivalent of Archangels. How is the Imperium going to react if Guilliman turns around and says "No, actually the Emperor didn't want you to worship him at all. Get rid of all this religious stuff. You've been doing this all wrong"? If anyone in 40K these days can claim to know the Emperor's will, it would be the loyalist Primarchs.

How are they also going to prevent Guilliman and the new shiny Imperium from steamrollering every other faction? The Great Crusade created the Imperium because nobody else could really stand up to and defeat the Primarchs.

Another round of infighting beteeen the high lords of terra like what happened before! However if anyone gets all upset it's likely the ecclessairy. Poor sisters of battle.

Sheck2 wrote:
Who are the RED Dark Angels behind Cypher?

 Rippy wrote:
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Dark Angels had Red markings in the Horus Heresy era. I'm thinking all of them are Fallen, even if some have way more red than others.

Sheck2 wrote:
Who are the RED Dark Angels behind Cypher?

 Rippy wrote:
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Expect that to be Fallen. Black was the original colour of the DA during the Heresy.
Otherwise... http://wh40k-de.lexicanum.com/wiki/Angels_of_Vengeance, but that is rather unlikely.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Guardians_of_the_Covenant




maybe ?


Or possibly a mix of various DA related chapters ?

Sheck2 wrote:
Who are the RED Dark Angels behind Cypher?

 Rippy wrote:
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Those are the fallen. Think 13th co. They'd "borrow" armour.

As for this release yet more imperium, really gw. In a release about cadia falling you'd think at least one chaos release but no we get imperial releases. Gaw going to show further disdain to chaos

Yes. Chaos got nothing.
Besides Traitors Hate. Magnus. 1k Sons. Traitor Legions. Tzeentchian demons.

Seriously, show Chaos some love!

Mad Doc Grot it's newish scenery. It comes from this set.
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Munitorum-Armoured-Containers

 Thairne wrote:
Yes. Chaos got nothing.
Besides Traitors Hate. Magnus. 1k Sons. Traitor Legions. Tzeentchian demons.

Seriously, show Chaos some love!

TBH, Chaos kind of needed those books, and the worst part of it? Everything got lumped into Traitor Legions (except daemons and a teensy tiny bit of Magnus, but little, tbh)

 Motograter wrote:

Sheck2 wrote:
Who are the RED Dark Angels behind Cypher?

 Rippy wrote:
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Those are the fallen. Think 13th co. They'd "borrow" armour.

As for this release yet more imperium, really gw. In a release about cadia falling you'd think at least one chaos release but no we get imperial releases. Gaw going to show further disdain to chaos

If I said it once I said it 1000 times gw has been working on minimizing evil guys for years. In aos they are litterally a joke. Chaos marines are the worse army ever made, along with orks. They are there to show how good other armies are. Space marine bob a new guy we are throwing out for you to buy killed a bajillion orks alone then spanked a chaos lord.

If you want models play the good guys. Or good rules.

 Thairne wrote:
Yes. Chaos got nothing.
Besides Traitors Hate. Magnus. 1k Sons. Traitor Legions. Tzeentchian demons.

Seriously, show Chaos some love!

Let's not forget unlesss something changes cypher is still a unit for codex CSM.

But ya chaos get nothing.
We are taking only about 9 (1 of which is chaos) models since CSM got a massive amount of exclusive content and models.
The griping about lack of chaos content is actually sad.

What are the odds that Guilliman won't like the New Imperium - at all?

And that, if he can't reboot the Emperor, well, that Ultramar becomes an Empire on to itself?