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**CREEEEEEEEED**

I don't know if this has been seen already, but I thought it was worth posting.

**Tamereth**

455_PWR wrote:
I wouldn't worry. Abaddon is blessed by all four gods. Kharn has been killed many times and resurrected by Khorn. I'm sure he will either be resurrected or reincarnated as a demon lord.

Abaddon isn't leaving the 40k universe any time soon. This isn't whfb where the world explodes and all characters die lol.

Lets hope you haven't tempted fate by saying that out loud.

If we get a new Abaddon he will be some giant demon prince type centre piece. If they were going to redo him in plastic as a terminator armour wearing version, they would have used it up front and not used the old metal (finecast now?) version. Which kinda defeats the whole point of his character, being he had the will to lead the forces of Chaos without bowing to the gods desires.

**Lord Kragan**

CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I don't know if this has been seen already, but I thought it was worth posting.

That "thier" killed me. My eyes are still sore as all hell. Still, tbh, Guilliman doesn't really fit the AoS aesthethics, rather he fits more the CSM aesthetics.

Just look at DV's chosen and chaos lord: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Dark-Vengeance-EN?_requestid=23353299 switch skulls/flesh for more filigrane and you get a carbon copy of Guilliman's design.

**Joyboozer**

Lord Kragan wrote:
CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I don't know if this has been seen already, but I thought it was worth posting.

That "thier" killed me. My eyes are still sore as all hell. Still, tbh, Guilliman doesn't really fit the AoS aesthethics, rather he fits more the CSM aesthetics.

Just look at DV's chosen and chaos lord: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Dark-Vengeance-EN?_requestid=23353299 switch skulls/flesh for more filigrane and you get a carbon copy of Guilliman's design.

Massive, oversized armour and huge characters aren't the trademark of AoS? Really?

**Tamereth**

I'd love to see a side by side of the Forge World and GW versions, and a regular marine.

Also throw in the 54mm version of Artemis from the old inquisitor range.

I never felt the forge world versions were that much bigger, maybe a normal marine comes up to their shoulders. But GW guilliman seems to be at least twice the height.
I know the forge world bases add a lot of height, but that works. It helps them stand out on the table without throwing the proportions into stupid territory.

**Lord Kragan**

Joyboozer wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I don't know if this has been seen already, but I thought it was worth posting.

That "thier" killed me. My eyes are still sore as all hell. Still, tbh, Guilliman doesn't really fit the AoS aesthethics, rather he fits more the CSM aesthetics.

Just look at DV's chosen and chaos lord: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Dark-Vengeance-EN?_requestid=23353299 switch skulls/flesh for more filigrane and you get a carbon copy of Guilliman's design.

Massive, oversized armour and huge characters aren't the trademark of AoS? Really?

So this is reasonably sized?

https://1d4chan.org/images/d/dd/Blingmarine.jpg

https://1d4chan.org/images/0/09/Iron_Snakes_1.jpg

Whow didn't know pauldrons (don't get me started on the powerfists or legs) should block someone's line of sight, now I'm more relieved that 40k has always had sensible looking armor in both artwork and sculpts!

**Joyboozer**

Lord Kragan wrote:
Joyboozer wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I don't know if this has been seen already, but I thought it was worth posting.

That "thier" killed me. My eyes are still sore as all hell. Still, tbh, Guilliman doesn't really fit the AoS aesthethics, rather he fits more the CSM aesthetics.

Just look at DV's chosen and chaos lord: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Dark-Vengeance-EN?_requestid=23353299 switch skulls/flesh for more filigrane and you get a carbon copy of Guilliman's design.

Massive, oversized armour and huge characters aren't the trademark of AoS? Really?

So this is reasonably sized?

https://1d4chan.org/images/d/dd/Blingmarine.jpg

https://1d4chan.org/images/0/09/Iron_Snakes_1.jpg

Whow didn't know pauldrons (don't get me started on the powerfists or legs) should block someone's line of sight, now I'm more relieved that 40k has always had sensible looking armor in both artwork and sculpts!

You realise those aren't actual miniatures?

**OgreChubbs**

Joyboozer wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
Joyboozer wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I don't know if this has been seen already, but I thought it was worth posting.

That "thier" killed me. My eyes are still sore as all hell. Still, tbh, Guilliman doesn't really fit the AoS aesthethics, rather he fits more the CSM aesthetics.

Just look at DV's chosen and chaos lord: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Dark-Vengeance-EN?_requestid=23353299 switch skulls/flesh for more filigrane and you get a carbon copy of Guilliman's design.

Massive, oversized armour and huge characters aren't the trademark of AoS? Really?

So this is reasonably sized?

https://1d4chan.org/images/d/dd/Blingmarine.jpg

https://1d4chan.org/images/0/09/Iron_Snakes_1.jpg

Whow didn't know pauldrons (don't get me started on the powerfists or legs) should block someone's line of sight, now I'm more relieved that 40k has always had sensible looking armor in both artwork and sculpts!

You realise those aren't actual miniatures?

Plus whats wrong with the second one....

**Lord Kragan**

OgreChubbs wrote:
Joyboozer wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
Joyboozer wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I don't know if this has been seen already, but I thought it was worth posting.

That "thier" killed me. My eyes are still sore as all hell. Still, tbh, Guilliman doesn't really fit the AoS aesthethics, rather he fits more the CSM aesthetics.

Just look at DV's chosen and chaos lord: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Dark-Vengeance-EN?_requestid=23353299 switch skulls/flesh for more filigrane and you get a carbon copy of Guilliman's design.

Massive, oversized armour and huge characters aren't the trademark of AoS? Really?

So this is reasonably sized?

https://1d4chan.org/images/d/dd/Blingmarine.jpg

https://1d4chan.org/images/0/09/Iron_Snakes_1.jpg

Whow didn't know pauldrons (don't get me started on the powerfists or legs) should block someone's line of sight, now I'm more relieved that 40k has always had sensible looking armor in both artwork and sculpts!

You realise those aren't actual miniatures?
Plus whats wrong with the second one....

You do realise those pauldrons block the sides, don't you? Just as an example of how out of proportion SM armor usually is, but those shoulderpads impede people from seeing anything beyond a 60-70 degrees angle.

And yeah, really, considering that, amongst the releases, we've had plenty of things like:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Sylvaneth-Branchwych
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/the-changeling-2016

Your statement rather fits "40k/endless tide of power armor".

**Crimson**

Tamereth wrote:
I'd love to see a side by side of the Forge World and GW versions, and a regular marine.

Also throw in the 54mm version of Artemis from the old inquisitor range.

I never felt the forge world versions were that much bigger, maybe a normal marine comes up to their shoulders. But GW guilliman seems to be at least twice the height.
I know the forge world bases add a lot of height, but that works. It helps them stand out on the table without throwing the proportions into stupid territory.

Nah, FW Primarchs are absurdly large too (based on various pictures, I'd say at least five cm tall without a base.) I really don't like them either, as on tabletop they just look like someone put a wrong scale miniature on the table. And they make the normal marines look like hobbits. It is not same with various monsters and dreadnoughts, as those are not just upscaled marines. The new Custodes models are about the size I think would have been good for the primarchs. Obviously larger than normal marines, but not absurdly so. They could use same vehicles, furniture, weapons, etc.

**Joyboozer**

Lord Kragan wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
Joyboozer wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
Joyboozer wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I don't know if this has been seen already, but I thought it was worth posting.

That "thier" killed me. My eyes are still sore as all hell. Still, tbh, Guilliman doesn't really fit the AoS aesthethics, rather he fits more the CSM aesthetics.

Just look at DV's chosen and chaos lord: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Dark-Vengeance-EN?_requestid=23353299 switch skulls/flesh for more filigrane and you get a carbon copy of Guilliman's design.

Massive, oversized armour and huge characters aren't the trademark of AoS? Really?

So this is reasonably sized?

https://1d4chan.org/images/d/dd/Blingmarine.jpg

https://1d4chan.org/images/0/09/Iron_Snakes_1.jpg

Whow didn't know pauldrons (don't get me started on the powerfists or legs) should block someone's line of sight, now I'm more relieved that 40k has always had sensible looking armor in both artwork and sculpts!

You realise those aren't actual miniatures?
Plus whats wrong with the second one....

You do realise those pauldrons block the sides, don't you? Just as an example of how out of proportion SM armor usually is, but those shoulderpads impede people from seeing anything beyond a 60-70 degrees angle.

And yeah, really, considering that, amongst the releases, we've had plenty of things like:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Sylvaneth-Branchwych
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/the-changeling-2016

Your statement rather fits "40k/endless tide of power armor".

So now can you just have a little snigger at the comic or not and not have to prove it inaccurate, regardless if it is or isn't?

**Lord Kragan**

Joyboozer wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
Joyboozer wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
Joyboozer wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I don't know if this has been seen already, but I thought it was worth posting.

That "thier" killed me. My eyes are still sore as all hell. Still, tbh, Guilliman doesn't really fit the AoS aesthethics, rather he fits more the CSM aesthetics.

Just look at DV's chosen and chaos lord: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Dark-Vengeance-EN?_requestid=23353299 switch skulls/flesh for more filigrane and you get a carbon copy of Guilliman's design.

Massive, oversized armour and huge characters aren't the trademark of AoS? Really?

So this is reasonably sized?

https://1d4chan.org/images/d/dd/Blingmarine.jpg

https://1d4chan.org/images/0/09/Iron_Snakes_1.jpg

Whow didn't know pauldrons (don't get me started on the powerfists or legs) should block someone's line of sight, now I'm more relieved that 40k has always had sensible looking armor in both artwork and sculpts!

You realise those aren't actual miniatures?
Plus whats wrong with the second one....

You do realise those pauldrons block the sides, don't you? Just as an example of how out of proportion SM armor usually is, but those shoulderpads impede people from seeing anything beyond a 60-70 degrees angle.

And yeah, really, considering that, amongst the releases, we've had plenty of things like:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Sylvaneth-Branchwych
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/the-changeling-2016

Your statement rather fits "40k/endless tide of power armor".

So now can you just have a little snigger at the comic or not and not have to prove it inaccurate, regardless if it is or isn't?

I think you've missed my point. I did have a snigger at the comic. I then saw the thier. I cried blood. Then I just said that it adds up more with CSM (something others said already in this thread) Then you needed to pop in and start this pseudo-mess, because you were unhappy people just didn't want to point fingers and laugh (or something like that, really your argument had little purpose). I know this will literally break rule 1 but it's worth telling people to go screw themselves for being wannabe smartipants.

And going back on topic, and regarding a previous comment of mine. I think I'll buy this set, if anything just to give Guilliman a black and gold paint-coat.

**streetsamurai**

Lord Kragan wrote:
streetsamurai wrote:
Lord Kragan wrote:
Gimgamgoo wrote:
Quick question for a semi-given-up-on-40k person...

Skimming through the blurbs I'm seeing for these new products, are GW going to end up merging Eldar and Dark Eldar together under the name Aeldari, much like they did to the Dark Elf and Elf ranges in Fantasy?

I sooo hope the answer is NO.

Short answer: NO.

Long answer: Eldar are going to get further divided. We had the traditional 5 factions (corsairs,craftworlds, dark, exodites, and harlequins) and now this new group, the Ynnari, is a shcism that is happening right now in the three main groups. So no, no merging, further division more like.

wrong answer: That's only supposition and we simply don,t know

There, done for you. Since we DO know the eldar are going to be further separated, with the Haemonculous Covens spearheading the opposition in Commorragh, and at least a whole craftworld (plus groups in others) opposing the Ynnari. Plus quite a few groups of harlequins. This is old news and we've known it for a while that they'd be, for all intents and purposes, a different faction.

I'm assuming that the guy was asking about the fate of the Eldar (or Eldari) come 8th edition, not what happens to them in Gathering storm.

**LightKing**

Do you guys think this is going to be a one in done thing like Vulkan during The Beast Arises

or will Roboute's return be a long term thing?

**streetsamurai**

CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I don't know if this has been seen already, but I thought it was worth posting.

that's pretty great

**DarthDiggler**

Just use the FW version if you don't like the new one. FW might be cheaper to.

**mightymconeshot**

Got a question for everyone. Do you think he will be able to fit in a transport and if so, how much room would he take up?

**Theophony**

mightymconeshot wrote:
Got a question for everyone. Do you think he will be able to fit in a transport and if so, how much room would he take up?

He'll ride on top of the rhino, reduce fire points by 1 as they cannot shoot out of the top hatch

.

**Slayer-Fan123**

OgreChubbs wrote:
Sgt_Smudge wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
LightKing wrote:
I highly doubt Guilliman will have the same miniscule effect Vulkan had

no disrespect to Vulkan, but Roboute is a administrative genius, he was the whole reason the Imperium survived after the Heresy
I always thought gilliman was a traitor.

He did

started a new empire when he lost contact with terra
Didn't help during the siege of terra screw your home world the betterment of the galaxy all that matters.
After he came when the fighting was over and had a 1000 marines left he threw a tantrum and almost started a second war because he wanted everyone to be the same as him.
Then he refused to back down to the point his brothers said fine you whiny baby have your way.

He literally did nothing but emo threw a crusade.

Only people who did anything was dorn and saguin.
Not sure if trolling, but that's not what happened.

Ya it is

In the un remembered empire. He tried to make his own empire til sag came in then he said he guess he can be in charge.
After word bearers attacked he never showed up at terra he stayed home unlike the lion.
In the space marine codex "the last one forget the edition" it said guilman imposed the codex astres, many of his brothers disagreed with it. Then with neither side backing down, which almost cost a second war. Until dorn finally agreed then the white scars followed suit.

oh here is the story

Rogal Dorn initially rejected the Codex Astartes and enmity developed between him and Guilliman. Dorn called Guilliman a coward, citing his lack of participation in the defense of the Imperial Palace. Guilliman accused Dorn of being a traitor for refusing the Codex. This enmity quickly involved other Space Marine Legions and a rift developed, Leman Russ of the Space Wolves stood by the Imperial Fists, while Jaghatai Khan of the White Scars and Corax of the Raven Guard supported the Ultramarines. A second civil war appeared likely when the Imperial Fists strike cruiser Terrible Angel was fired upon by the Imperial Navy in connection with Codex crisis.[7]
However, Dorn ultimately relented after spending seven days meditating in the pain glove. There, he concluded that the Legion could no longer serve the Emperor who had been and must serve the Emperor who was, which involved accepting the new order of which the Codex was a part.[8] Secretly however Dorn formulated his own protocol to possibly circumvent the Codex Astartes known as the Last Wall.[14] The Space Wolves Legion, however, never fully accepted the new doctrine. Rather they held sacred the teachings of their Primarch. One of the few ideals the Codex implemented that the Space Wolves Legion actually followed was the succession of Chapters. However, the Space Wolves Legion was never very large. That combined with the genetic instability of the legion gene-seed lead to the Legion only founding one successor Chapter, the ill-fated Wolfbrothers.

Guilman I KNOW BEST OBEY OR YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO MY KINGDOM!!!!

from the unremembered empire

The unthinkable has happened – Terra has fallen to the traitor forces of Warmaster Horus! Nothing else could explain the sudden disappearance of the Astronomican's guiding light at the heart of the Imperium, or so Roboute Guilliman would believe. Ever the pragmatist, he has drawn all his forces to Ultramar and begun construction of the new empire known as Imperium Secundus. Even with many of his primarch brothers at his side, he still faces war from without and intrigue from within – with the best of intentions, were the full truth to be known it would likely damn them all as traitors for all eternity

And why he never showed

After seeing off the Shadow Crusade, Guilliman decided that if his father could not be saved, His ideals would be, setting up a new government called Imperium Secundus, a second Imperium of Man which would reject Horus's alliance with Chaos. Although potentially traitorous, Guilliman's motives at least appeared sincere, he made a big hoohah about not taking the throne himself, since he would look like a Tyrant if he did. Fortunately/Unfortunately, The Lion arrived at Macragge and didn't like where it was heading. Neither brother trusted the other with the job of ruling the next Imperium, so Sanguinius got the job only to settle the matter between the two and was declared regent of the Imperium in the Emperor's absence, which meant feth all because he promptly got murdered by Horus in the battle of Terra.

Last paragraph came from lexium so grain of salt but how did the blood angles make it and dark angles yet gilly wasnt going to try?

A lot of that is inaccurate if you actually look at it from a neutral point of view.

**Theophony**

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
Sgt_Smudge wrote:
OgreChubbs wrote:
LightKing wrote:
I highly doubt Guilliman will have the same miniscule effect Vulkan had

no disrespect to Vulkan, but Roboute is a administrative genius, he was the whole reason the Imperium survived after the Heresy
I always thought gilliman was a traitor.

He did

started a new empire when he lost contact with terra
Didn't help during the siege of terra screw your home world the betterment of the galaxy all that matters.
After he came when the fighting was over and had a 1000 marines left he threw a tantrum and almost started a second war because he wanted everyone to be the same as him.
Then he refused to back down to the point his brothers said fine you whiny baby have your way.

He literally did nothing but emo threw a crusade.

Only people who did anything was dorn and saguin.
Not sure if trolling, but that's not what happened.

Ya it is

In the un remembered empire. He tried to make his own empire til sag came in then he said he guess he can be in charge.
After word bearers attacked he never showed up at terra he stayed home unlike the lion.
In the space marine codex "the last one forget the edition" it said guilman imposed the codex astres, many of his brothers disagreed with it. Then with neither side backing down, which almost cost a second war. Until dorn finally agreed then the white scars followed suit.

oh here is the story

Rogal Dorn initially rejected the Codex Astartes and enmity developed between him and Guilliman. Dorn called Guilliman a coward, citing his lack of participation in the defense of the Imperial Palace. Guilliman accused Dorn of being a traitor for refusing the Codex. This enmity quickly involved other Space Marine Legions and a rift developed, Leman Russ of the Space Wolves stood by the Imperial Fists, while Jaghatai Khan of the White Scars and Corax of the Raven Guard supported the Ultramarines. A second civil war appeared likely when the Imperial Fists strike cruiser Terrible Angel was fired upon by the Imperial Navy in connection with Codex crisis.[7]
However, Dorn ultimately relented after spending seven days meditating in the pain glove. There, he concluded that the Legion could no longer serve the Emperor who had been and must serve the Emperor who was, which involved accepting the new order of which the Codex was a part.[8] Secretly however Dorn formulated his own protocol to possibly circumvent the Codex Astartes known as the Last Wall.[14] The Space Wolves Legion, however, never fully accepted the new doctrine. Rather they held sacred the teachings of their Primarch. One of the few ideals the Codex implemented that the Space Wolves Legion actually followed was the succession of Chapters. However, the Space Wolves Legion was never very large. That combined with the genetic instability of the legion gene-seed lead to the Legion only founding one successor Chapter, the ill-fated Wolfbrothers.

Guilman I KNOW BEST OBEY OR YOU ARE A TRAITOR TO MY KINGDOM!!!!

from the unremembered empire

The unthinkable has happened – Terra has fallen to the traitor forces of Warmaster Horus! Nothing else could explain the sudden disappearance of the Astronomican's guiding light at the heart of the Imperium, or so Roboute Guilliman would believe. Ever the pragmatist, he has drawn all his forces to Ultramar and begun construction of the new empire known as Imperium Secundus. Even with many of his primarch brothers at his side, he still faces war from without and intrigue from within – with the best of intentions, were the full truth to be known it would likely damn them all as traitors for all eternity

And why he never showed

After seeing off the Shadow Crusade, Guilliman decided that if his father could not be saved, His ideals would be, setting up a new government called Imperium Secundus, a second Imperium of Man which would reject Horus's alliance with Chaos. Although potentially traitorous, Guilliman's motives at least appeared sincere, he made a big hoohah about not taking the throne himself, since he would look like a Tyrant if he did. Fortunately/Unfortunately, The Lion arrived at Macragge and didn't like where it was heading. Neither brother trusted the other with the job of ruling the next Imperium, so Sanguinius got the job only to settle the matter between the two and was declared regent of the Imperium in the Emperor's absence, which meant feth all because he promptly got murdered by Horus in the battle of Terra.

Last paragraph came from lexium so grain of salt but how did the blood angles make it and dark angles yet gilly wasnt going to try?

A lot of that is inaccurate if you actually look at it from a neutral point of view.

The ultramarine fleet was destroyed in the battle of Calth, luckily most of the ultramarine army had not boarded vessels yet. The lion and Sanguinus had travelled with their forces to ultramar, but didn't bring any hitchhikers to earth (no matter how much leg girly man showed his 5 o'clock shadow even turned off the lion

).

**Davor**

Spoiler tags people. Please, spoiler tags.

**cuda1179**

I think RG could possibly ride in a transport. He'd take up as much room as an Ogryn though. He's at least very bulky. That means he'd be limited to Landraiders, Thunderhawks, StormRavens, and possibly a Corvus Blackstar.

**LightKing**

so is Roboute about to be the most powerful single character in tabletop?

**Caederes**

LightKing wrote:
so is Roboute about to be the most powerful single character in tabletop?

Are we talking 40K only or are we including 30K as well?

Sticking to the former, I seriously doubt he'll out-cheese Daemon Primarch Magnus.

**Azreal13**

LightKing wrote:
so is Roboute about to be the most powerful single character in tabletop?

Do you think entirely too many of your posts are just random questions only tangentially related to the discussion with zero folllow up to any replies you get except more questions?

**jah-joshua**

looking at the minis again, i think i will need two, and possibly three of this box...
Cypher especially...
i am inspired to paint one like the studio version, a grittier one, and convert one to an Inquisitor...
for Guilliman, a studio version, a Salamanders conversion, and maybe a Space Wolves or Blood Angels conversion...
the GK will make a fine Inquisitor, too, in red armor...
the studio version is a no-brainer, so now i just need to come up with an idea for a third variation...

so many ideas of what can be done with these three minis!!!
good thing March is my birthday month

cheers
jah

**Asherian Command**

looking at the minis again, i think i will need two, and possibly three of this box...

I want the three of them because I want to make a minotaur's strike force...

And man oh man, I've been waiting for a big guy to come out so that way I can make Astolian Molic a badass conversion!

In all honesty I hope we see some new space marine models and some other things too!

**ZergSmasher**

Actually, of the three minis in this new Triumvirate box, Rowboat Girlyman interests me the least. I'm not a Smurf-hater or anything, but I don't collect Ultramarines, so it would be of limited use to me. I would probably use the helmeted head if I did get the model, as the face on the bare head is just ugly to me (maybe it's just the studio's paintjob, but I don't like it). Now Cypher, on the other hand, interests me a great deal. I do have the current metal model of him, painted and everything. I didn't want to read through 21 pages of posts to try to find any leaked new rules for him, so I don't know if he even gets new rules, but the new model is AWESOME! The Grey Knight is a cool model at least, and as I'm considering getting a few Grey Knight models to run the Daemonhunter Strike Force from Codex: Imperial Agents, I could find a way to use him.

**Eldarain**

I'm conflicted by my excitement for a new Cypher model and the fact all the mystery around him will probably be revealed now.

**casvalremdeikun**

Eldarain wrote:
I'm conflicted by my excitement for a new Cypher model and the fact all the mystery around him will probably be revealed now.

From the sounds of it, it isn't revealed. He is helping Rowboat to further his own ends. One thing that is revealed is the his destination is known. But that was always strongly hinted at.