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 Crazyterran wrote:
Electro displacement only targets who the Psyker and his unit will trade with.

Maybe if you actually knew Fulimantion's rules you'd have something to argue about him surviving to make combat.

Magnetokinesis can be targeted on another unit, the Levitation copy in Fulmination. It doesn't let you charge.

OK, so you just put one libraian from the conclave with the trade unit.... But keep your head in the sand none the less. I remember when Wraith knights were a garbage unit until a month later when everyone ran them.

 Crazyterran wrote:
Electro displacement only targets who the Psyker and his unit will trade with.

Maybe if you actually knew Fulimantion's rules you'd have something to argue about him surviving to make combat.

Magnetokinesis can be targeted on another unit, the Levitation copy in Fulmination. It doesn't let you charge.

Drop-pod that conclave and switch them with guilliman. Done. Maybe if you actually thought on how to use the spell you'd have something to argue (see, people can be unnecessarily snarky).

Firefox1 wrote:


I for one love to see an end of the situation of the Imperium, i really hate that stupid church-setting.

That "stupid church-setting" you're referring to is called Gothic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_art

E.g., the point being it's meant to be high medieval, to evoke feelings of the Dark Ages.

 TedNugent wrote:

Firefox1 wrote:


I for one love to see an end of the situation of the Imperium, i really hate that stupid church-setting.

That "stupid church-setting" you're referring to is called Gothic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_art

E.g., the point being it's meant to be high medieval, to evoke feelings of the Dark Ages.

Gothic ain't the dark ages, hell, romanic style barely even qualifies as dark ages, which are the 5th to 10th centuries AD.

Though it seems we may be headed to a rennaisance/straight oughta the baroque.

I'm going to call it 2017 will be the best year in GW history profit wise

Who knows, it'll be my first GW purchase in a while, incidentally, eh

 Bobthehero wrote:
Who knows, it'll be my first GW purchase in a while, incidentally, eh

Get sucked into the plastic crack again. Out of curiosity. Has anyone made any leaks on voldus rules? Mini looks pretty and all but I'd like to know how well he measures up.

 TedNugent wrote:

Firefox1 wrote:


I for one love to see an end of the situation of the Imperium, i really hate that stupid church-setting.

That "stupid church-setting" you're referring to is called Gothic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_art

E.g., the point being it's meant to be high medieval, to evoke feelings of the Dark Ages.

By "stupid church-setting" i meant that tech isn´t seen as such but as wondrous artifacts.
Putting sigils on Power armor and other "relics", chanting while doing weapon maintance...
Tech should be seen as what it is, lifeless, soulless tools.
Simply an enlightenend Imperium as it was meant by the Emperor.

I do think even with that and maybe an "alliance" with the eldar, the enemies of Mankind are many, especially now with chaos forces having swept cadia away, the setting would far away from being Star Trek-like.

Here's a pic of Guilliman, stolen off FB, showing him at a top down angle.

 BlaxicanX wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:


My Tyranids are playing tiny violins for you :-D

They really shouldn't, as the dakka Flyrant is an infinitely​ stronger unit.

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Guilliman being a MC has pretty much doomed him to being mediocre at best on the tabletop. The Avatar is a 6" move beatstick force multiplier, and no one takes him. Know why? Good. Those are the same reasons why no ones taking Gulliman outside of fluffy narrative games.

Now think of my non-flying Tyrant option, my Carnifexes, any other MCs...

Also, "fluffy narrative games" are not inherently bad. If they're not how you choose to play, fine, but, ya know... don't tell other people how they're allowed to have fun. :-)

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Who knows, it'll be my first GW purchase in a while, incidentally, eh

Get sucked into the plastic crack again.

Sorta, although none of the new release are what I am getting, and there's a fair bit of resin involved. Its just been a while since I built something and I figured what little things I could change in my army.

 Roleplayer wrote:
Like, in all honestly, there are a lot of great stories to explore with the return of one (AND ONLY ONE) primarch.

Will he kneel to the High Lords of Terra? Will he get a seat with them?
How will the church react? What tensions will appear in the imperium?
Will he like what the Ultramarines have become?
Will he be accepted or deemed a heretic by the inquisition?
is the galaxy just too big for even a primarch to have any influence on at all?Will he come back, but nothing change because the wheels are just too big to get moving again at this point, no matter what
Is it ALL futile?

but I have pretty sure GW has no interest in pausing the universe here for a few years so we can explore those questions in the same, slow careful detail and examination we've xplored things so far.

instead it'll just be on to the next big shiny thing!

Longtime lurker, the desire to say that this is the best thing I have read on the matter made me make an account.

There are advantages and disadvantages to bringing him back but if done well I do not think it has to compromise the central notions and depth of 40K. I could even imagine him becoming emperor and launching another great crusade without compromising what makes 40K good. However, (as I understand it) being awoken by an eldar witch whilst Ultramar is under attack, with RG literally punching a Black Legion terminator as one of his first actions... this says to me a superhero approach rather than careful exploration of complexities of the Imperium approach will be taken.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Here's a pic of Guilliman, stolen off FB, showing him at a top down angle.

Yeah, that is pretty cool with the helmet on.

TBH, I disliked Guilliman when I first saw him, but it is slightly growing on me. I think I'd still shave off a lot of the filigree (keeping the icons), and I'd probably change the OTT gold pauldron - but I'm liking it more each time I see it. Still doesn't compare with FW's version, but I think that's to be expected due to different sculptors and plastic tech limitations. Lore wise, I'm both a little bit concerned, curious and cautiously interested all in one go. This could be the start of something very good, but also the start of a slippery slope. We shall have to wait and see...

Firefox1 wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:

Firefox1 wrote:


I for one love to see an end of the situation of the Imperium, i really hate that stupid church-setting.

That "stupid church-setting" you're referring to is called Gothic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_art

E.g., the point being it's meant to be high medieval, to evoke feelings of the Dark Ages.

By "stupid church-setting" i meant that tech isn´t seen as such but as wondrous artifacts.
Putting sigils on Power armor and other "relics", chanting while doing weapon maintance...
Tech should be seen as what it is, lifeless, soulless tools.
Simply an enlightenend Imperium as it was meant by the Emperor.

I do think even with that and maybe an "alliance" with the eldar, the enemies of Mankind are many, especially now with chaos forces having swept cadia away, the setting would far away from being Star Trek-like.

They are preying for a reason a necron God forget their true names think he was dragon something lives in the heart of Mars. They prey to the meachines God which they may get their tech from him.

Altho when necron became space tomb kings they may have changed it. There was a story of a assassin from the emperium going to attack a traitor government official she snuck in pulled her cyber weapon thing lunged at him. He grabbed her by the throat and said do you not love when your children come home with a gift and then absorbed her blade and killed her. So old lore had some marine tech necron made or inspired atleast.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Two things:

Does anybody else think the fallen weren't even painted? They look photoshopped. They're in the exact same pose as the company vets.

I think Girlyman looks kind of... bad. Admittedly I do mainly play Horus Heresy. I think Valdor would put up a good fight.

Wow, just checked the webstore, haha wow those are certainly some 'shopped Marines!!! My bad. The WD ones were different and unique.

Actually the Fallen ARENT Photoshopped
Look at the DA Fallen and the Picture of the Box
They guy on the Box with a Shield now has a Storm bolter (he had a Plasma Pistol)
The Guy with the Robed Dark Angel Figure on his Backpack now has a Plasma Gun...

 commander dante wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:

NivlacSupreme wrote:
Two things:

Does anybody else think the fallen weren't even painted? They look photoshopped. They're in the exact same pose as the company vets.

I think Girlyman looks kind of... bad. Admittedly I do mainly play Horus Heresy. I think Valdor would put up a good fight.

Wow, just checked the webstore, haha wow those are certainly some 'shopped Marines!!! My bad. The WD ones were different and unique.

Actually the Fallen ARENT Photoshopped
Look at the DA Fallen and the Picture of the Box
They guy on the Box with a Shield now has a Storm bolter (he had a Plasma Pistol)
The Guy with the Robed Dark Angel Figure on his Backpack now has a Plasma Gun...

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/Dark-Angels-Company-Veterans-Squad

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-CA/The-Fallen

Shoop de whoop.

Firefox1 wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:

Firefox1 wrote:


I for one love to see an end of the situation of the Imperium, i really hate that stupid church-setting.

That "stupid church-setting" you're referring to is called Gothic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_art

E.g., the point being it's meant to be high medieval, to evoke feelings of the Dark Ages.

By "stupid church-setting" i meant that tech isn´t seen as such but as wondrous artifacts.
Putting sigils on Power armor and other "relics", chanting while doing weapon maintance...
Tech should be seen as what it is, lifeless, soulless tools.
Simply an enlightenend Imperium as it was meant by the Emperor.

I do think even with that and maybe an "alliance" with the eldar, the enemies of Mankind are many, especially now with chaos forces having swept cadia away, the setting would far away from being Star Trek-like.

Why do you even play 40k if you hate the core stylistic themes of it?

Crimson wrote:

Galas wrote:
Its not exactly difference in opinion.

People should like a universe/story/setting by his owns merits. If they like another thing, they shouldn't whant that setting to change. They should look for another universe.

For example: I love the grimdark and dystopian Imperium of W40k. But maybe someday I grow bored of all this Grimdark.
Should I want the Imperium to change to satisfy my new tastes?
No.

I should look for another universe: If I'm bored of all this Grimdark, maybe I want to chek out Star Trek and his more Utopian universe.

And then, when I grow bored of Star Trek, I can go back to W40K, because it remained pure grimdark.

Variety its the sauce of life.

This. I love both 40K and Star Trek. But I don't want 40K to be optimistic or Star Trek to be grimdark.

Star Trek did become grim mark. (well grimark compared to how Star Trek is usually rainbow and unicorns.) We got the awesome DS9. Sometimes change is good. In the case of Star Trek though it is usually season 3 when they hit the mark. So change takes time. DS9 is a great example. Made Star Trek different and while slow at first and a few speed bumps became awesome.

Davor wrote:

Star Trek did become grim mark. (well grimark compared to how Star Trek is usually rainbow and unicorns.) We got the awesome DS9. Sometimes change is good. In the case of Star Trek though it is usually season 3 when they hit the mark. So change takes time. DS9 is a great example. Made Star Trek different and while slow at first and a few speed bumps became awesome.

I didn't like DS9... (Well, I liked some of it. But not the darker themes.)

 Bobthehero wrote:

Lord Kragan wrote:

 Bobthehero wrote:
Who knows, it'll be my first GW purchase in a while, incidentally, eh

Get sucked into the plastic crack again.

Sorta, although none of the new release are what I am getting, and there's a fair bit of resin involved. Its just been a while since I built something and I figured what little things I could change in my army.

I certainly hope that those changes involve not mounting looted IG bits onto a pencilcase and calling it artillery anymore

I have never done that! It was always a dice box!

I'll admit I have severly neglected my Krieg army in the favor of my Scions recently, one cannon still has no base, unfortunately :(

Firefox1 wrote:
By "stupid church-setting" i meant that tech isn´t seen as such but as wondrous artifacts.
Putting sigils on Power armor and other "relics", chanting while doing weapon maintance...
Tech should be seen as what it is, lifeless, soulless tools.
Simply an enlightenend Imperium as it was meant by the Emperor.

Removing the Machine Cult, one of the few genuinely unique aspects of the setting, would be worse than all the Draigos, Necron bros and slaughtered Soraita combined.

Lord Kragan wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:

Firefox1 wrote:


I for one love to see an end of the situation of the Imperium, i really hate that stupid church-setting.

That "stupid church-setting" you're referring to is called Gothic.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_art

E.g., the point being it's meant to be high medieval, to evoke feelings of the Dark Ages.

Gothic ain't the dark ages, hell, romanic style barely even qualifies as dark ages, which are the 5th to 10th centuries AD.

Though it seems we may be headed to a rennaisance/straight oughta the baroque.

Medieval scholar here. The "Gothic movement" in art and literature that you are referring to found much of its expression in Medieval aesthetics and themes. See: Coleridge's "Christabel," Goethe's "Faust," the Pre-Raphaelite movement in England, and of course Walpole's novel "The Castle of Otranto" which helped to usher in the Gothic fiction genre.

While you and anyone else who wishes to is of course welcome to use the term "Dark Ages," Medieval scholars generally eschew it for many reasons.

I know, because it's a too murky term and yada yada. Early middle ages AKA: the dung period.

@Dr Jim_J_Jimmy - Welcome to Dakka.

I think the point Lord Kragan was making was very much as you have stated - that Gothic isn't 'Dark Ages'. However, to use the expression Dark Ages isn't necessarily wrong. It's often used nowadays in a less pejorative manner than it used to be (In light of the growing awareness of the rich culture and society that flourished between the fall of the Roman Empire and the beginning of the Mediaeval Era, particularly, but not limited to, Saxon and Brythonic Britain), but it's still appropriate to use if one is referring to the lack of 'light' shed upon those times. It is indeed dark to us, because we know very little about that period of history in comparison to later and earlier times. Of course, it is gradually becoming less and less dark as academic studies advance.

In the case of 40k, it is very much appropriate considering the paucity of accumulated knowledge in the IoM. They may rightly look upon their own times as a Dark Age as they truly know nothing compared to their ancestors. Interestingly, the Dark Age of Technology retains it's pejorative implications due to the fell nature of the technology invented then - the Men of Iron being a prime example.

IF the Emperor couldn't stop his people from worshipping him, I doubt Guilliman will. There were a lot of rumours on Ultramar seceding from the imperium a few years ago. Maybe this is the event that will set that in motion.

Ruin wrote:
That's the spirit. Call everyone who disagrees with you a "neckbeard". As if you're exactly the epitome of cool for loving what GW are doing to 40k...

"Neckbeard" is a common term for hard-core tabletop gamers, particularly of fantasy or darker settings. It is not a pejorative. Much like Napoleonic term "grognard" as it applies to gaming, except most neckbeards are less resistant to change than grognards.



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@oldmanraven3025 - Except, Grognard was a pejorative nickname - because the Old Guard were the only formation that were permitted to openly complain to the Emperor, the other units were mildly resentful, as they could only expect harsh punishment if they dared. Indeed, it still is used pejoratively in the French political sphere, and more widely the term Old Guard usually refers to a person who staunchly resists change or cleaves to outdated notions. The more you know indeed...

I doubt calling anybody a 'neckbeard' is particularly flattering - the more so if you're part of the female element who enjoy this hobby.

Lord Kragan wrote:
I know, because it's a too murky term and yada yada. Early middle ages AKA: the dung period.

No, not because it's too murky of a term.