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 Hulksmash wrote:
At that price point I'd likely have to pass as well. I like the models and ideas but if that's where they're planning on pricing models (as that's supposed to include a free Warlord) I'd be out. But I still feel like that's inaccurate. $180 would make it the highest cost starter yet and would fit more inline with what's been shown.

Agreed!

And fingers crossed that is the case.

$280?!?

Sheesh!

Does it hit pre-order tomorrow?

I cannot see how it could be $280. I thought $180 was too much. Seems like fake news to me.

Anyone know of a video that's watchable of the AT game? I checked twitch and keep getting a 5000 content is not available error with all of the WHTV videos. The live stream seems to work fine, just not VoD

 Nostromodamus wrote:
I cannot see how it could be $280. I thought $180 was too much. Seems like fake news to me.

I've been expecting the Warlords to be $90-100 each retail. They're approaching 40K Knight size. A box of Knights isn't going to be less than $50. So you're probably looking at the minis alone being close to $300 retail. And if the terrain is worth say, $75 (from the unboxing videos this seems reasonable, as there appears to be a lot more in the box than what's shown in that pic), a $280 price tag basically does give you a Warlord for free.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The Warlord is 3 sprues and the knights are three to a sprue. Add two, IIRC, sprues for the little bits and 8 sprues of buildings that's 18 standard-sized frames (i.e. sized to fit in the box a Space Marine Tactical Squad comes in, or 1/4 the area of the box top).

Necromunda has 4 sprues that size plus two double-sized sprues.

So 18 sprues vs 8 sprues. And Necromunda is £75. You are implying that AT will be a lot closer to $200 that $300?

JWBS wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The Warlord is 3 sprues and the knights are three to a sprue. Add two, IIRC, sprues for the little bits and 8 sprues of buildings that's 18 standard-sized frames (i.e. sized to fit in the box a Space Marine Tactical Squad comes in, or 1/4 the area of the box top).

Necromunda has 4 sprues that size plus two double-sized sprues.

So 18 sprues vs 8 sprues. And Necromunda is £75. You are implying that AT will be a lot closer to $200 that $300?

Necromunda box only have 6 sprues, 4 for gangs,1 for door, 1 for objectives. The money lie on those double sided zone-mortalis cardboard. If you only count the plastic and nothing else you actually lose money if you buy the Necromunda box.

Chopstick wrote:

JWBS wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The Warlord is 3 sprues and the knights are three to a sprue. Add two, IIRC, sprues for the little bits and 8 sprues of buildings that's 18 standard-sized frames (i.e. sized to fit in the box a Space Marine Tactical Squad comes in, or 1/4 the area of the box top).

Necromunda has 4 sprues that size plus two double-sized sprues.

So 18 sprues vs 8 sprues. And Necromunda is £75. You are implying that AT will be a lot closer to $200 that $300?

Necromunda box only have 6 sprues, 4 for gangs,1 for door, 1 for objectives. The money lie on those double sided zone-mortalis cardboard. If you only count the plastic and nothing else you actually lose money if you buy the Necromunda box.

He said two of the six are double size, so I was counting those two sprues as four sprues. (I haven't looked closely at the contsnts of either box though).

There's no possible way I can afford a single 280$ plus tax purchase right now. Especially when i'd need another 100+ dollars for the reavers and warhounds. I'm going to have to start considering just getting the rules box and taking this slow.

Any ideas on what the rules box would be? If thats 80 bucks or more I might pass on that too.

If you count double-sized sprues as two sprues then Kill Team Starter set comes with 21 sprues and Imperial Knights: Renegade 22 sprues for comparison.

 Thargrim wrote:
There's no possible way I can afford a single 280$ plus tax purchase right now. Especially when i'd need another 100+ dollars for the reavers and warhounds. I'm going to have to start considering just getting the rules box and taking this slow.

Any ideas on what the rules box would be? If thats 80 bucks or more I might pass on that too.

Then you probably should come back on xmas to pick up the reprint of the GM box , well according to rumour anyway. And by that time the game would probably had more than just 2 identical warlords and knight shooting at each other.

Two Warlords and 8 Knights doesn't look like a particularly good starting composition for one player anyway. The idea is that this box gives two players something to start with and some terrain for the table.

jullevi wrote:
If you count double-sized sprues as two sprues then Kill Team Starter set comes with 21 sprues and Imperial Knights: Renegade 22 sprues for comparison.

So which is better value? (sorry if this is a dumb question, I really don't keep up with releases anymore. I like to look at the pics sometimes but I pay zero attention to prices / box contents). I understand that KR is great value, considering the price of a single knight. Can you draw any conclusions (confident or not) about the price of AT, given that it's 18 sprues?

(I just bought two knights singly on ebay, so no terrain etc. Seems to be six double sprues (ie 12 single) for the knights only).

JWBS wrote:

jullevi wrote:
If you count double-sized sprues as two sprues then Kill Team Starter set comes with 21 sprues and Imperial Knights: Renegade 22 sprues for comparison.

So which is better value? (sorry if this is a dumb question, I really don't keep up with releases anymore. I like to look at the pics sometimes but I pay zero attention to prices / box contents). I understand that KR is great value, considering the price of a single knight. Can you draw any conclusions (confident or not) about the price of AT, given that it's 18 sprues?

(I just bought two knights singly on ebay, so no terrain etc. Seems to be six double sprues (ie 12 single) for the knights only).

Can't tell until official price is out. But GW-branch board game almost always have better plastic value than FW branch board game. IK:Renegade, Kill team, and even Burning of Prospero are GW branch board game with very high value. AT is a FW-branch board game.

Rumour has it that it will be about £240 or more, which is just insane for two warlords with no weapon options and six knights.
There is a weapons option sprue coming later, but you will have to buy that separately.

All in all I was excited but the price has dampened me down.

Ergh, if this hits $280, I’ll just have to stick with my old AT/Epic models from the 80’s.

(I don’t doubt this price, I about had a coronary with the new Count’s coach - beautiful, but not worth $115).

Yes, that does sound like a ridiculous lack of value at that price for what we get.

I'm hoping that it is a wildly inaccurate pricing rumor.

Perhaps we should just wait to find out the actual price, then we can all say if it's great, okay or too much then?

Yeah that's a non-starter box(ahaha, I'll get me coat).

Seriously though, 180 quid was just barely squeaking the edge of tolerable once you factored in online discounts, but going well above 200? Not happening. And if that's suggestive of the prices for the kits themselves, what was even the point of switching to plastic in the first place? If a Thanatar-sized plastic Warlord is going to cost as much or more than a resin Thanatar, AT is going to tank. And if the Titans aren't hideously priced, such a high cost for the big box would suggest they are massively over-valuing the cardboard terminals and the weapon card decks which will make the separate rules packs also ridiculously expensive.

It's a sign of what GW has managed to do for their image of late that I actually struggle to believe they'd be so colossally greedy and stupid as to price it that high.

EDIT: Perhaps people shouldn't come into rumours threads if they don't want to see people discussing and talking through the implications of rumours...

I've been pretty excited for this for a while, but the contents image kind of dampened my enthusiasm. That price point would probably stomp it dead unfortunately.

If someone picks it up I'll give it a go and buy in if the game feels exceptional, but at the moment a few recent and upcoming releases have me cold on it.

Primarily, the spectacle feeling isn't kicking in. It doesn't really look all that different from running Knights alongside my Deathwatch. Sure, the building scale is completely different, but the Knights release has been awesome and really given me an outlet for that big stompy robot I want.

So, that kind of leaves me looking to the rules. If it ends up being a light investment game, I kind of feel like Renegade scratches that Knight Fight itch. It's not that deep of a game, but it will let me put down two things about that big and have them tear each other apart well enough. On the heavy investment side.... well.... MonPoc is coming, and that's simply one of my favorite games ever. This would have to work pretty hard to outmatch that game's sense of giant, destructive carnage.

So... yeah.... maybe?

So $280 US is two stardrakes which is £170. £40 ($65) for the rules, £25 ($40) for 3 Knights, £20 ($35) for the scenery and £60 ($100) for a Warlord, gives you one Warlord free, which is what they have said. That price is quite possible.

I'm willing to bet seeing how big the models are in person and seeing their details might make the price seem better. A high price on something you see online and for which you've only a few comparison photos can make it seem not like a good deal until you see the model or even hold one in hand.

It's like the 2 foot Starship that is several hundred £ from Armada that has been shown at Gencon - online it looks good in photos, but not worth its price. In person I bet its a totally different situation.

I'd wager we might see changes in opinions once people see the models. We might also see it when people get one or two boxes before getting the "starter". Plus GW know its a high priced starter which is why we can still get all the content outside of it in bits - sure you pay more in the long run but it breaks the price up from that "shocker sticker"

Chikout wrote:
So $280 US is two stardrakes which is £170. £40 ($65) for the rules, £25 ($40) for 3 Knights, £20 ($35) for the scenery and £60 ($100) for a Warlord, gives you one Warlord free, which is what they have said. That price is quite possible.

Aye ~£180 was what I was forcing myself to continue expecting, it's someone suggesting it could be nearly £250 that spun me for a loop. It's still too expensive(IMO) for plastic & cardboard, but it's the same kind of too expensive that most GW products are, and I buy plenty of those, but 250 would just be a pisstake.

 master of ordinance wrote:
Rumour has it that it will be about £240 or more, which is just insane for two warlords with no weapon options and six knights.
There is a weapons option sprue coming later, but you will have to buy that separately.

All in all I was excited but the price has dampened me down.

I'm hoping it is 240 usd, and people confused it for pounds.

 Yodhrin wrote:

Chikout wrote:
So $280 US is two stardrakes which is £170. £40 ($65) for the rules, £25 ($40) for 3 Knights, £20 ($35) for the scenery and £60 ($100) for a Warlord, gives you one Warlord free, which is what they have said. That price is quite possible.

Aye ~£180 was what I was forcing myself to continue expecting, it's someone suggesting it could be nearly £250 that spun me for a loop. It's still too expensive(IMO) for plastic & cardboard, but it's the same kind of too expensive that most GW products are, and I buy plenty of those, but 250 would just be a pisstake.

£250 is coming from two ex-GW employees whom based their guesstimates on some info they picked up.

Didn't we have someone ask someone at GW and they said that £200 was a cap they didn't want to go over?
I think its back there - somewhere in the other 70 odd pages of chatter in this thread

Certainly at the warmhammer fest in Coventry a couple of months back the specialist team stated during the seminar I was at that:

It would be the most expensive starter they had ever done
It would be less than £200

I'm assuming between £150-200, I may be reading too much into it, but saying sub 200 sounds like high 100s rather than low 100s.

Obviously that is a couple of months back, things may have changed.

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Ergh. If that box really comes out at near $280 USD there is no way I'm picking it up, and I have been faithfully stashing away funds because I am super excited for this release. If the models are that price range ($100 for the Warlord, for example), there is no way I would pay that much, and less than zero chance I could get my friends interested, and they love stompy robot games.

I'll keep my fingers crossed they keep it under $200.

 LunarSol wrote:
I've been pretty excited for this for a while, but the contents image kind of dampened my enthusiasm. That price point would probably stomp it dead unfortunately.

If someone picks it up I'll give it a go and buy in if the game feels exceptional, but at the moment a few recent and upcoming releases have me cold on it.

Primarily, the spectacle feeling isn't kicking in. It doesn't really look all that different from running Knights alongside my Deathwatch. Sure, the building scale is completely different, but the Knights release has been awesome and really given me an outlet for that big stompy robot I want.

So, that kind of leaves me looking to the rules. If it ends up being a light investment game, I kind of feel like Renegade scratches that Knight Fight itch. It's not that deep of a game, but it will let me put down two things about that big and have them tear each other apart well enough. On the heavy investment side.... well.... MonPoc is coming, and that's simply one of my favorite games ever. This would have to work pretty hard to outmatch that game's sense of giant, destructive carnage.

So... yeah.... maybe?

The rules are quite unique, from my very vague memories of Titanicus. It was a bit like that starship game that was popular on Twitch a year back. Your ship (titan) and a "floor plan" with lots of different segments. You had to devote crew to putting out fires. Sometimes shields would weaken at a certain point, and you had the choice to re-route power to that spot, but at the cost of other assets (energy for movement, firing). Your ship (titan) would have some locations completely destroyed. That's how I remember it at least. Lots of micro-management. IDK what "lightweight" game play is as I haven't played a wargame in decades, but it always seemed engaging and diverse.

My buddies and I were talking, and we agreed that if it - for some reason - is actually nearly $280 for the starter box, they'll be shooting themselves in the foot. Poor sales numbers will then send the incorrect message that people aren't interested in AT or specialist games, etc. I really hope that's not the case. My group has also avoided Necromunda entirely (well, only twelve of us in our small group) because of the poor release schedule/design choices. I sometimes feel GW is intentionally making bizarre and poor choices on the specialist games side in order to justify future decisions.

So, I'd love to be wrong. Given the contents of the box shown, I'd be unwilling to entertain anything over $200 for it. When a Knight Renegade box comes in around $160 for an equal amount of plastic, it's just unthinkable.