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 Ashiraya wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:

Is it any wonder when my army languishes without any updates and a constant shafting in the fluff, but Marines get more and more mentions and stories and their codex only goes from strength to strength?

Absolutely. Jealousy of another army is not a rational reason for contempt of that army's players.

Of the players, it is not my fault that the percentage of TFG's/WAAC's within that playerbase is so much higher than other races.

In my group the most WAAC guy is a Imperial Guard player. I guess I could judge you based on his behavior. Seems fair doesn't it?

I'm pretty sure the majority of WAAC players choose armies that are easiest to curb stomp others with, so probably Eldar, actually, then a smaller smattering of SM, Tau, Daemons. If you're actually trying to win at all costs, I think "not playing IG/buying models for a top tier army" is one of those costs included under "ALL costs". Just saying.

Meanwhile, I definitely wouldn't say it's fair to condemn the entirety of the SM player base. Sure there will be some bad apples, as will every army (I think that's what CD was trying to get at), but it's pretty undeniable that SM get far too much attention from GW, poster boys or not. Now there's an army that's basically "SM Captains +1 and Chapter Masters +1. Fluff-wise, they're very similar to marines, except their gene seeds are super duper awesome cool Big E gene seeds, so they get to be even MORE special than the super duper awesome cool regular gene seed dudes who are still held in MUCH higher regard by GW than everything else that exists in the same setting.

I'd say it's less the player base and more the delusions of the company forcing crap like that down customers' throats. Not everyone wants to swallow that.

 Gamgee wrote:
Hastings has said that no factions are being squatted and that some of the xenos races would see models this year. Specifically an ork buggy as an example.

Actually robut rules on the throne now. I don't imagine he rules ultramar directly anymore unless pressing business takes him there.

Still it is not outside the possibility the Tau get changed so much they may as well be Nu Tau so I'm bracing myself despite his assurances. Who knows maybe the Tau won't be the ones getting anything this year. He did seem to imply not all the remaining ones would.

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Truth be told I think it's highly likely that Guillstarties go for Tau first. If I was him I would do it too. They are the weakest faction to crush with a massive crusade. Once the TE space is secure it can be built up and send back reinforcements to the other fronts that lagged behind for awhile and send back triple the forces to them and not have to worry about that direction. It does mean losing ground ot other threats at least for a time while the Tau are focused down though.

If Tau-Cron ever happens as an alliance it would be an act of desperation to save themselves.

Last time I looked at the map, isn't their a gigantic Tyranid tendril coming directly into Tau space? I imagine that will either keep them very occupied or very dead. The thing is rough, I don't think that even if the Tau, Eldar, and IoM all joined forces, they could beat Chaos, Orks, Tyranids, and Necrons.

 KommissarKiln wrote:
I'm pretty sure the majority of WAAC players choose armies that are easiest to curb stomp others with, so probably Eldar, actually, then a smaller smattering of SM, Tau, Daemons. If you're actually trying to win at all costs, I think "not playing IG/buying models for a top tier army" is one of those costs included under "ALL costs". Just saying.

Meanwhile, I definitely wouldn't say it's fair to condemn the entirety of the SM player base. Sure there will be some bad apples, as will every army (I think that's what CD was trying to get at), but it's pretty undeniable that SM get far too much attention from GW, poster boys or not. Now there's an army that's basically "SM Captains +1 and Chapter Masters +1. Fluff-wise, they're very similar to marines, except their gene seeds are super duper awesome cool Big E gene seeds, so they get to be even MORE special than the super duper awesome cool regular gene seed dudes who are still held in MUCH higher regard by GW than everything else that exists in the same setting.

I'd say it's less the player base and more the delusions of the company forcing crap like that down customers' throats. Not everyone wants to swallow that.

Even if he wasn't notoriously cheap. His wife won't let him buy new armies. It's the attitude that is the main thing that brings tension to any game with him. You're right that my point was not to judge everybody by a few's actions in any group. My anger stepped on my point.

What I don't get is this: How can anyone who spends anytime looking into, much less build an army in 40k not realize it is Space Marine centric? It's not like GW hides the fact. SMs are on or in almost everything GW releases, so why is it a surprise they favor them? They sell extremely well. You can argue chicken and egg why that is, but it doesn't change the fact SM sales keep GW afloat.

If you don't want to play Space Marines than don't. All I ask is stop accusing SM players of ruining your hobby.

Crimson Devil wrote:In my group the most WAAC guy is a Imperial Guard player. I guess I could judge you based on his behavior. Seems fair doesn't it?

Crimson Devil wrote:

Even if he wasn't notoriously cheap. His wife won't let him buy new armies. It's the attitude that is the main thing that brings tension to any game with him. You're right that my point was not to judge everybody by a few's actions in any group. My anger stepped on my point.

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Well, you're not getting a Christmas card

 Crimson Devil wrote:
In my group the most WAAC guy is a Imperial Guard player. I guess I could judge you based on his behavior. Seems fair doesn't it?

I find it hard to believe that a IG player would be a cheese mongering power list player. Seeing as our powerlists are about the equivalent of other armies friendly lists.

How do you play WAAC as Imperial Guard anyway?

 Melissia wrote:
How do you play WAAC as Imperial Guard anyway?

You stuff them in the closet.

 Fafnir wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
How do you play WAAC as Imperial Guard anyway?

You stuff them in the closet.

Throw them at the opponent and his models