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 Necroagogo wrote:
Hmmm ... are the Relictors in the game? All 10 companies were on Armageddon ...

It'd be wrong if the Relictors weren't present.

 notprop wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 notprop wrote:
... trying to avoid spoilers...

That might be one of the more perplexing things I've heard someone say here. Spoilers? For rules? Spoilers???

I suppose by by spoiler I mean avoiding wafts of Internet cynicism fart smell on opening the box instead of the whole new box game smell/unknown components experience like the gud ole days.

I even have Friday off work to take delivery of it. A few of the lads are doing the same, should be a blast.

Then don't look on the fething forum mate!

At least with some of the photos inexplicably posted sideways you have to crane your neck somewhat to read them..

Nah I usually log on from a work computer that blocks most photo storing sites.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
The whole stock mismanagement/Baldric-esque marketing "cunning plan" thing is derp, sure, but what really gets me(now I can actually see them - seriously just because something is out of stock doesn't mean I don't want to look at it GW) is that they did 360's and multiple stills for Scouts and Orks, ancient kits you can find acres of pics of at their own store pages, and like, three not-great stills of the thing people actually want to see; the terrain.

Or, like, a whole massive WD feature's worth on the terrain... they took plenty of photos in multiple paint schemes.

So I can pay GW to see decent images of things I might want to buy?

Cool!

Don't pretend there isn't a scan of the whole thing on the net somewhere (and probably linked in this thread)... ;-)

Ok, so rather than going to the vendor's website I can go and find some images "on the net somewhere?"

Cool!

You see where this is going? There's basically no reason for the very best images of something I can't yet see physically in person being freely available from the company that wants to sell it to me.

For free, and without having to go digging for them.

Someone may have already noted it but we have gone from OOS to "Temporarily Unavailable" to there being no notice and no Email Me button.

I wonder if this means GW has decided to reintroduce Shadow War in a slightly different format. I'd like to see the components available separately, including a hardcover rulebook.

Ideally, the rulebook would not only be hardcover but include all the published so far as well as several more, covering the rest of the plastics lines (e.g., Thousand Sons).

Manchu wrote:
Someone may have already noted it but we have gone from OOS to "Temporarily Unavailable" to there being no notice and no Email Me button.

I wonder if this means GW has decided to reintroduce Shadow War in a slightly different format. I'd like to see the components available separately, including a hardcover rulebook.

Ideally, the rulebook would not only be hardcover but include all the published so far as well as several more, covering the rest of the plastics lines (e.g., Thousand Sons).

Several have noted that. It also states the following above the product description

This product will be released in stores on Saturday 8th April but is no longer available for pre-order here. Find your local store.

Available while stocks last!

Manchu wrote:
Someone may have already noted it but we have gone from OOS to "Temporarily Unavailable" to there being no notice and no Email Me button.

I wonder if this means GW has decided to reintroduce Shadow War in a slightly different format.

Shadow War: Armageddon 2.
Same content, 50% markup, well... 2nd edition.

On a serious note, the best thing they can do is put out pictures of that terrain package with a 'coming soon' for those feeling like they're missing the terrain. Then make a hardback (not limited edition) rulebook with all the extra pdf pages and missing stuff in it. Keep it on sale as a gateway to 40k for the kids wanting to get into 40k who aren't Little Timmy.

Blargh so they probably just want to clarify that you can try to find one at the WH store or your LGS ... which everyone here already knew ... but might be unclear to little Timmy's parents and other normies.

I prefer my baseless speculation that Shadow War will live on!

I doubt they'll do a hardback if the current version is a soft back.

TBH a softback would make the most sense to keep the price point lower for maximum gateway-to-addiction effect, like AoS.

And I suppose further lists could always fill out WD pages.

I think they're deliberately keeping the door open while they decide what to do next - it says it's no longer available to pre order online, but that doesn't necessarily mean they won't start selling it online again after it's released. It does still say while stocks last, though. Bit weird. They should announce something.

 Bull0 wrote:
I think they're deliberately keeping the door open while they decide what to do next - it says it's no longer available to pre order online, but that doesn't necessarily mean they won't start selling it online again after it's released. It does still say while stocks last, though. Bit weird. They should announce something.

I mean, strictly speaking it would be "while stocks last"...

When the shops sell out of it, that's it.

I would not be surprised to see them keeping the door open for a reprint of the main rules and counters and doing something like the "Containers" bundles they're doing right now.

If you haven't seen those, it's a set of the Armoured Containers, a Start Collecting set, and one extra item.

Guard get a Techpriest Enginseer added in, Tau get a Broadside, and Skitarii get a Ballistari.

Manchu wrote:
TBH a softback would make the most sense to keep the price point lower for maximum gateway-to-addiction effect, like AoS.

Not much about this release even demonstrates that they're aware/vigorously pursuing the gateway strategy. I guess maybe they paid that idea some lip service during the GAMA thing, from some second-hand reports I hear?

They're still run soooo poorly.

I'm another one of those types that have been posting in here -- out of 40K for a long time, desperately wanting/whining about a 40K skirmish game for a decade+, bought $100+ worth of GW odds and ends for a new Kill Team as soon as the nature of this system started to clarify, etc.. Box was sold out by the time I checked in last saturday. I'm still going to play, but you best believe I'm pirating every element I can. Turns out they weren't interested in my $200 *shrug*

 Altruizine wrote:

Manchu wrote:
TBH a softback would make the most sense to keep the price point lower for maximum gateway-to-addiction effect, like AoS.

Not much about this release even demonstrates that they're aware/vigorously pursuing the gateway strategy. I guess maybe they paid that idea some lip service during the GAMA thing, from some second-hand reports I hear?

They're still run soooo poorly.

Seriously?

Look into the "Battle for Vedros" stuff. Look into the new starter coming for Age of Sigmar. Look into a lot of things they've done in the past few years.

I'm another one of those types that have been posting in here -- out of 40K for a long time, desperately wanting/whining about a 40K skirmish game for a decade+, bought $100+ worth of GW odds and ends for a new Kill Team as soon as the nature of this system started to clarify, etc.. Box was sold out by the time I checked in last saturday. I'm still going to play, but you best believe I'm pirating every element I can. Turns out they weren't interested in my $200 *shrug*

Yeah, you go pirate those free PDFs for virtually everything barring the main rulebook and Marines, Orks, and Guard...show them what for!

 Altruizine wrote:
out of 40K for a long time, desperately wanting/whining about a 40K skirmish game for a decade+, bought $100+ worth of GW odds and ends for a new Kill Team as soon as the nature of this system started to clarify, etc.

Pretty close to where I am at. I have wanted some AdMech and GS Cult (and 1ksons) models since they were launched ... but I want nothing to do with 40k since 5e. I got increasingly excited about Shadow War as the info rolled in from GAMA and dropped a few hundred buying up some of those models I had been wanting, which I could now use for Shadow War.

So naturally, I became extremely determined to get a copy once it became clear that Aus/NZ sold out pretty quickly and it looked to be a one-and-done. Naturally, I spent two hours sitting on the damn F5 key before 1PM EST this past Saturday to get my copy. For people who missed the five-minute window, we already know there WILL be a digital edition of the rulebook. I feel pretty sure some kind of reprint of the rules if not the box set must currently be under discussion in Nottingham.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Altruizine wrote:

Manchu wrote:
TBH a softback would make the most sense to keep the price point lower for maximum gateway-to-addiction effect, like AoS.

Not much about this release even demonstrates that they're aware/vigorously pursuing the gateway strategy. I guess maybe they paid that idea some lip service during the GAMA thing, from some second-hand reports I hear?

They're still run soooo poorly.

Seriously?

Look into the "Battle for Vedros" stuff. Look into the new starter coming for Age of Sigmar. Look into a lot of things they've done in the past few years.

I'm another one of those types that have been posting in here -- out of 40K for a long time, desperately wanting/whining about a 40K skirmish game for a decade+, bought $100+ worth of GW odds and ends for a new Kill Team as soon as the nature of this system started to clarify, etc.. Box was sold out by the time I checked in last saturday. I'm still going to play, but you best believe I'm pirating every element I can. Turns out they weren't interested in my $200 *shrug*

Yeah, you go pirate those free PDFs for virtually everything barring the main rulebook and Marines, Orks, and Guard...show them what for!

lol, you should work for GW PR, you might be bad enough to make them look good.

Also none of the stuff you mentioned were good efforts to get people into the hobby.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Altruizine wrote:

Manchu wrote:
TBH a softback would make the most sense to keep the price point lower for maximum gateway-to-addiction effect, like AoS.

Not much about this release even demonstrates that they're aware/vigorously pursuing the gateway strategy. I guess maybe they paid that idea some lip service during the GAMA thing, from some second-hand reports I hear?

They're still run soooo poorly.

Seriously?

Look into the "Battle for Vedros" stuff. Look into the new starter coming for Age of Sigmar. Look into a lot of things they've done in the past few years.

I'm another one of those types that have been posting in here -- out of 40K for a long time, desperately wanting/whining about a 40K skirmish game for a decade+, bought $100+ worth of GW odds and ends for a new Kill Team as soon as the nature of this system started to clarify, etc.. Box was sold out by the time I checked in last saturday. I'm still going to play, but you best believe I'm pirating every element I can. Turns out they weren't interested in my $200 *shrug*

Yeah, you go pirate those free PDFs for virtually everything barring the main rulebook and Marines, Orks, and Guard...show them what for!

They've always offered products aimed at beginners/newcomers, but nothing approaching a dedicated, continuously-supported, squad-scale system that uses the same products one would find in a full-fledged game of 40K.

Well, until now. This certainly "approaches" that, but if they don't give it long-term support it will be a lost opportunity. I literally cannot think of a better way of suckering people into the big, prestige systems than by giving them a smaller -- and, importantly, a living -- game that will tempt them into buying the components of a full army bit by bit. You buy one box for your core squad, they release an expansion that gets you to buy another box of different infantry, etc. Before you know it you're sitting on hundreds of points worth of figs, and thinking "hmmm well for X dollars more I basically have a small 40K army..."

It's impossible to pirate a free PDF. I'll be stealing the main rulebook.

With how incredibly easy it is to get every rule you need, all of the scenery there was in the box, there are 3rd party tokens I can't believe the complaining about it going out of stock is still going on :/

Yes, I'm sure it's annoying if you can't get it, but it's not the end of the world. You could literally be playing it now just with the information in this thread and the free Necromunda rules from yaktribe.

 JohnnyHell wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
The whole stock mismanagement/Baldric-esque marketing "cunning plan" thing is derp, sure, but what really gets me(now I can actually see them - seriously just because something is out of stock doesn't mean I don't want to look at it GW) is that they did 360's and multiple stills for Scouts and Orks, ancient kits you can find acres of pics of at their own store pages, and like, three not-great stills of the thing people actually want to see; the terrain.

Or, like, a whole massive WD feature's worth on the terrain... they took plenty of photos in multiple paint schemes.

Last time I checked, my eyeballs still don't have the ability to zoom or rotate images in 3D when they'e on a flat page.

And as for the "well, they'll do it for the terrain's own pages" - sure, of course they will, indeed they almost certainly already have, which makes it doubly odd they're not on the page where the terrain was already being sold.

Look, I get it's a small complaint, but folk don't need to defend every single daft wee thing GW do.

Do the sisters of battle have rules?

 Altruizine wrote:
They've always offered products aimed at beginners/newcomers, but nothing approaching a dedicated, continuously-supported, squad-scale system that uses the same products one would find in a full-fledged game of 40K.

Sure, although the biggest items in SWA are TEQs, not Dreads, much less Knights... It's a downscaling of 40k back to RT (which had Dreads) levels.

Look, I get it's a small complaint, but folk don't need to defend every single daft wee thing GW do.

*sigh*

What a lovely dream...

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
Do the sisters of battle have rules?

I'll give you one guess.

 Yodhrin wrote:
folk don't need to defend every single daft wee thing GW do.

Or bitch about every single daft wee thing GW do, for that matter.

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
Do the sisters of battle have rules?

Yes! Yes, they do!

Count as Scions!

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
Do the sisters of battle have rules?

They'll probably get a ruleset around the same time they get a plastic kit.

...I'm not sure whether that statement should be a joke or an actual prediction anymore.

In the meantime, you can probably get away with proxying them with CSM, Scouts, or IG profiles. Assuming you're okay with homebrew rulesets, I'll also likely get started on an SoB profile once I'm satisfied with my Ordos of the Inquisition profile (you can also represent a sister's statline fairly decently with that one as well).

As much as I don't mind homebrewing and proxying up rules, I do hope we see additional supplements forthcoming, be they published as a stand alone product or included as a supplement in WD.

If they realize the demand is there for a low model count game using their existing range, then hopefully they realize further down the line that the more units (of figures they've already manufactured, no less) they include, the better.

Honestly, what better way to sucker some of us into buying a box or two of models we like (but have no interest in starting an entire new army) than by having a go to game where I can play them as soon as I finish gluing them?

A skirmish level game is going to get me to buy the product, whereas I am not going to invest in starting an entire new army to collect and paint.

Manchu wrote:

 Rainbow Dash wrote:
Do the sisters of battle have rules?

I'll give you one guess.

Spoiler:

NOPE

 Yodhrin wrote:
folk don't need to defend every single daft wee thing GW do.

Or bitch about every single daft wee thing GW do, for that matter.

Complaining has an utility, since at least it can makes GW notice and change some of their decisions. Blindly defending them is as useless as it gets.


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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
As much as I don't mind homebrewing and proxying up rules, I do hope we see additional supplements forthcoming, be they published as a stand alone product or included as a supplement in WD.

If they realize the demand is there for a low model count game using their existing range, then hopefully they realize further down the line that the more units (of figures they've already manufactured, no less) they include, the better.

Honestly, what better way to sucker some of us into buying a box or two of models we like (but have no interest in starting an entire new army) than by having a go to game where I can play them as soon as I finish gluing them?

A skirmish level game is going to get me to buy the product, whereas I am not going to invest in starting an entire new army to collect and paint.

TO be honest, I'm not too surprised that GW is so disconnected from its player base that they were surprised that this sold so well (even thought most players have been asking for this for years), and still seems to fail to realise that such a game probably wouldn't cannibalize the sale of 40k, but be a perfect gateway drug and reason for veteran to buy models that they like but don't want to start an army of (I'm buying the MT start collecting and Ogryn because of this game). They are, after all, the same company that tought that we would appreciate rules that force us to sing, shout, dance and insult each other.

I am wondering how many people here that are being angry about the mail order pre-order, have actually contacted their local gaming store?

Because that's the first thing I did.. was hit up a local store as them if they had allocation left, they said yes and put my name down for one.

Very easy and I will be picking up my nice new game on Saturday, and be reading and putting it all together while playing the new Stelaris expansion.. Life is good

I'm pretty sure that those that complains either don't live near one or it is already sold out in their area, since usually, you don't buy at GW site if you can avoid it, since price are usually higher than the one you get in a LGS.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Complaining has an utility, since at least it can makes GW notice and change some of their decisions.

Of course, complaining about "about every single daft wee thing GW do" might actually discourage GW from listening because we (posters on message boards) can be dismissed as Never Happy About Anything, which is actually not a bad summary of Yodhrin's posts. I went to my local WH Store the other day and overheard a couple of customers there talking about how sour Dakka Dakka can be. I happen to like that we can host criticism because we are independent. But by the same token, it's also OK to push back on some of the absurd complaints - like overlooking that GW provided pics of the new terrain sprues in favor of complaining that there isn't a 360 spin pic.