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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Hmm.

You know how if you're embarked on an open topped transport you'll be able to shoot out?

And how you can fire Pistols whilst in CC (not sure which phase though, but I assume the shooting phase?)

And how your vehicles can now charge?

What happens if you've got say, Banshees on a Raider, and the Raider charges? Do the Banshees get to fight? Enquiring minds wish to know!

I think you might be on to something there!
It sounds plausible passengers of a raider could do a swashbuckling pirate raid without even disembarking.
And orks should be able to fight from a trukk that assault a unit.
It could get messy, but would be a real treat for those armies -and cinematic, if thats still a thing.

Is it possible that instead of fighting while inside an open topped transport, you can charge from an engaged transport?

Say for example, a squad of Wyches are embarked on a Raider, and the Raider charges or is charged by an enemy unit. On the next turn, assuming the Raider hasn't been hacked to pieces, can the embarked squad then charge from it, symbolising the Ork Boyz/Wyches/Scouts, leaping from their Trukk/Venom/Land Speeder Storm into the melee?

 Deadshot wrote:
Is it possible that instead of fighting while inside an open topped transport, you can charge from an engaged transport?

Say for example, a squad of Wyches are embarked on a Raider, and the Raider charges or is charged by an enemy unit. On the next turn, assuming the Raider hasn't been hacked to pieces, can the embarked squad then charge from it, symbolising the Ork Boyz/Wyches/Scouts, leaping from their Trukk/Venom/Land Speeder Storm into the melee?

I hope so, the idea of a Raider charging in with a Shock Prow, Chain Flails to do some serious damage on the charge and then have my Wyches/Incubi/Grotesques leap out into the fray next turn is awesome.

Really keen for this, coming back after a VERY long break. Ain't no breaks on this hype train and I love it.

I really love the prospect of vehicles in cc - finally Deffrolla and Wrecking Ball may get some use - and maybe a Grabba Klaw can be used to prevent the enemy from disengaging. Maybe your Boyz/Nobz can fight from the transport (with a penalty, but stay protected), or charge out to fight on foot?

Since a vehicle can now carry multiple units if it has space, any ideas if a unit can split between multiple vehicles if they don't fit in one?

Presumably requiring the vehicles to stay close?

E.g. 20 man marine squad in two rhinos

leopard wrote:
Since a vehicle can now carry multiple units if it has space, any ideas if a unit can split between multiple vehicles if they don't fit in one?

Presumably requiring the vehicles to stay close?

E.g. 20 man marine squad in two rhinos

That would be a ballache, so I doubt it.

@Mad Doc Grotsnik
Ah I see, we will have to see if open topped if still a thing, and what it does.

 Bull0 wrote:

leopard wrote:
Since a vehicle can now carry multiple units if it has space, any ideas if a unit can split between multiple vehicles if they don't fit in one?

Presumably requiring the vehicles to stay close?

E.g. 20 man marine squad in two rhinos

That would be a ballache, so I doubt it.

Furry nuff, just wondered. Mind you will vehicle squadrons still be a thing? Which presumably would be the only practical way to do it anyway

 Rippy wrote:
@Mad Doc Grotsnik
Ah I see, we will have to see if open topped if still a thing, and what it does.

Oh absolutely

Would just be so incredibly cool!

 Rippy wrote:
@Mad Doc Grotsnik
Ah I see, we will have to see if open topped if still a thing, and what it does.

Open topped has been confirmed as existing.

Still doubt they allow hacking from inside.

Could they not fir their pistols at them? I'm sure that was mentioned.

People fighting from within vehicles I suspect will be the new "chariot" rule.

Something like Keyword "Chariot"
If this vehicle is in CC, then the occupant can attack units engaged with the vehicle. the unit engaged with the vehicle may split attacks between the chariot, and the occupants.

or something like that.

kryczek wrote:
Could they not fir their pistols at them? I'm sure that was mentioned.

Yeah. But no mention of close combat and I doubt that is allowed.

If you want "why" imagine reach. For all open topped it's still not as close as if you were on foot. Your sword isn't unlimited range.

Also makes no sense for all attacks basically come from one point...

edit: Good point about chariots. Probably bespoke rule for specific transports though.

Will chariots be transports again? Or will they function like 7e where the occupant is just part of the vehicle.

Breng77 wrote:
Will chariots be transports again? Or will they function like 7e where the occupant is just part of the vehicle.

I suspect they will be transports with a very low model count, that you can attack from.

that would be incredibly simple.

My guess is that assualt vechicles will allow their occupants to 'pile in' directly out of the vechicle and into melee. This would happen during the vechicles activation, possibly instead of the vechicle getting to make its attacks.

Breng77 wrote:
Will chariots be transports again? Or will they function like 7e where the occupant is just part of the vehicle.

They'll probably be part of the vehicle, which is a shame as honestly I preferred being able to dismount a Lord, at least in concept.

Still, I'm fairly sure only Lords, Grimnar and daemons actually use chariots, it's a pretty niche thing.

It's not an more niche than Cavalry. The only armies that have Cavalry are Imperial Guard, Daemons, and Space wolves.

 cuda1179 wrote:
It's not an more niche than Cavalry. The only armies that have Cavalry are Imperial Guard, Daemons, and Space wolves.

Necrons.

 cuda1179 wrote:
It's not an more niche than Cavalry. The only armies that have Cavalry are Imperial Guard, Daemons, and Space wolves.

Yeah, but cavalry are just variant bikes. There's little difference, and honestly little reason for them to -not- be one category.

Yeah but Chariots are just variant transports would seem to be the natural counter?

Chariots can have additional rules as part of a keyword, same as open topped (I presume!)

changemod wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
It's not an more niche than Cavalry. The only armies that have Cavalry are Imperial Guard, Daemons, and Space wolves.

Yeah, but cavalry are just variant bikes. There's little difference, and honestly little reason for them to -not- be one category.

There are several differences between cavalry and bikes, namely that bikes are faster (turbo-boost) and provide +1T, over bikes. Plus, cavalry are better over terrain that bikes as a giant wolf climbs over cliffs and roots better than a 2-wheel motorcycle.

 nintura wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
It's not an more niche than Cavalry. The only armies that have Cavalry are Imperial Guard, Daemons, and Space wolves.

Necrons.

What cavalry do Necron have?

Now it's mentioned, Necrons might actually have Cavalry? Couldn't tell you what (possibly Scarabs for movement? Been ages since I looked at my codex, let alone played with them!)

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Now it's mentioned, Necrons might actually have Cavalry? Couldn't tell you what (possibly Scarabs for movement? Been ages since I looked at my codex, let alone played with them!)

Canoptek Wraiths and Scarabs are Beasts, Tomb Spyders are Monstrous Creatures.

Ah, it's Beasts I was thinking of (is that not the same as Cavalry though?)

 cuda1179 wrote:

 nintura wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
It's not an more niche than Cavalry. The only armies that have Cavalry are Imperial Guard, Daemons, and Space wolves.

Necrons.

What cavalry do Necron have?

The barge that the lord rolls in is considered a cavary isn't it? It has all the same rules.


*EDIT*

Im an idiot. Not enough caffeine. It's a chariot, not cavalry. I got the words backwards.

 Deadshot wrote:

changemod wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
It's not an more niche than Cavalry. The only armies that have Cavalry are Imperial Guard, Daemons, and Space wolves.

Yeah, but cavalry are just variant bikes. There's little difference, and honestly little reason for them to -not- be one category.

There are several differences between cavalry and bikes, namely that bikes are faster (turbo-boost) and provide +1T, over bikes. Plus, cavalry are better over terrain that bikes as a giant wolf climbs over cliffs and roots better than a 2-wheel motorcycle.

It is strange that you seem to think that is a disagreement rather than restating my point.

Incidentally, cavalry frequently do raise the model's toughness, just not automatically.

Honestly, I am pretty sure that now that everything has an M stat, there will not be any kind of unit type. Vehicles might have a keyword so that weapons that once had Haywire, Guass, etc can continue to have a specific effect on them.
But Beasts, Bikes, Cav, MCs, etc will just have bespoken rules on a unit-to-unit basis to show whatever differences GW wants to showcase

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