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I don't know how much the 5-man Primaris box cost in AUS or New Zealand, in Europe is 40€ for the 10 man and 25€ for the 5 man box (And Sternguard are 40€ for 5, *sigh*).
To be honest, I can understand the "You can buy them in bulk, or you can choose to buy less for a higher price per model but a less price overall".

The ideal should have been to release them in 5-man boxes for 20€, but alas.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 TheCustomLime wrote:
Don't forget entitled.

There's nothing entitled about feeling ripped off at a7-man box costing as much as a 10-man box.

No, but see, complaining about this release is entitlement. You are complaining about what GW didn't give you like they owe you something.

(/s)

 Galas wrote:
I don't know how much the 5-man Primaris box cost in AUS or New Zealand, in Europe is 40€ for the 10 man and 25€ for the 5 man box (And Sternguard are 40€ for 5, *sigh*).
To be honest, I can understand the "You can buy them in bulk, or you can choose to buy less for a higher price per model but a less price overall".

The ideal should have been to release them in 5-man boxes for 20€, but alas.

Here in the US, it's $35 for the 5 mans versus $60 for the 10 mans.

Wow the article was really interesting. You can really see how much attention was given to detail.

Model wise I think this has been a fantastic release. It's not perfect but nothing is, and it's still great. I think most players from other armies would kill to have such a wide range of extremely fluffy, unique and detailed models

While there is nothing wrong with discussion about prices its a great thing that in capitalism nobody is forcing you to buy something you dont like ...and that is perhaps the only relevant answer.

 Desubot wrote:

Neronoxx wrote:

Charax wrote:

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Neronoxx wrote:

Where exactly did you find a ten man plague marine kit to base your argument off of?
Or are you just comparing to different kits? The Rubrics are monopose, the primaris kits are pretty stale in terms of design....
I guess you just see it all as plastic volume A compared to plastic volume B huh?
Despite this clearly not being how GW has operated for the last decade...
Oh well.
Seriously, the only reason I bother checking these forums anymore is for actual news and rumours. The only other content here is people whining.

ok, now you're just lying:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/rubric-marines

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Not lying at all, it just appears you havent built the kit. I've built three of those kits, and they are functionally monopose. You have control over the sorceror, head direction and general lift of the gun, as well as 2 options for guns.
They're not anything but pretty models.

Pretty sure for the most part people think of mono pose as litterally snap fit one way one pose one head position kinda thing, like those marines in dark vengance.

the rubrics have options, asides from the torso and leg position, arms heads and weapons can be shifted around to make more variants.
personally ok with this consider how many marines do you really need hunching way forward or slouching to the side while holding their guns in a goofy way.

The rubrics were pretty good, IMHO. If you chop off the top of those tabbards they become much more poseable.

Glumy wrote:
While there is nothing wrong with discussion about prices its a great thing that in capitalism nobody is forcing you to buy something you dont like ...and that is perhaps the only relevant answer.

"Relevant". Yeah I don't think that word means what you think it means.

To chip in the discussion. I don't know the amount of bits in the 7 man Plague Marine box, but that it will be overpriced is a fact.

Take the 5-man Blight Guard Terminator box for instance; according to the GW homepage it contains 69 pieces, retail at € 45.

Now compare it to some other Terminator Boxes;
- Grey knights 5 man Terminator box; 153 pieces, retail € 36
- Space Wolf 5-man Wolf Guard Terminators; 100 pieces, retail € 36

While there is also a difference between the Grey Knights and Space Wolves in bits, the difference in price is ridiculous regarding Death Guard dudes.

I suspect the Plague Marine box will also contain less parts as other kits, maybe even less parts with 7 dudes as compared to 10.

I ordered the Blight Lords and special characters regardless, I can justify for myself the size difference and I don't need that many Termies. I will pass on the Plague Marine box as my Betrayal at Calth/Spellcrow/MaxMini hybrid marines are sufficient (and much cheaper) as well as better scaled with the rest of my army.

 Low_K wrote:
Take the 5-man Blight Guard Terminator box for instance; according to the GW homepage it contains 69 pieces, retail at € 45.

Now compare it to some other Terminator Boxes;
- Grey knights 5 man Terminator box; 153 pieces, retail € 36
- Space Wolf 5-man Wolf Guard Terminators; 100 pieces, retail € 36

Both the Grey knights & Space Wolf boxes are old kits. The Blightlord Terminators are the same price as the Scarab Occult Terminators or Blood Angels Terminator Assault Squad.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah I don't think that word means what you think it means.

I see youre from Australia so english is your first language. What synonym would you use then?

"Fitting" ? "Appropriate" ?

I liked the picture in which Typhus looks like he's tipping over. Looks like the pose is good for something after all.

Cruddace is 40k overlord? That explains a lot...

beast_gts wrote:

 Low_K wrote:
Take the 5-man Blight Guard Terminator box for instance; according to the GW homepage it contains 69 pieces, retail at € 45.

Now compare it to some other Terminator Boxes;
- Grey knights 5 man Terminator box; 153 pieces, retail € 36
- Space Wolf 5-man Wolf Guard Terminators; 100 pieces, retail € 36

Both the Grey knights & Space Wolf boxes are old kits. The Blightlord Terminators are the same price as the Scarab Occult Terminators or Blood Angels Terminator Assault Squad.

Ok, let's compare to new kits.

Blood Angel Assault Terminators are 76 pieces.
Scarab Occult - for a unit with virtually zero options beyond heavy weapons and sorcerer layout.... over 80 pierces.

So how the hell does a kit for a unit with MORE options than either of these two 'new' boxes you've given as comparison....have less pieces?

The logic here is astounding.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Low_K wrote:
Take the 5-man Blight Guard Terminator box for instance; according to the GW homepage it contains 69 pieces, retail at € 45.

Now compare it to some other Terminator Boxes;
- Grey knights 5 man Terminator box; 153 pieces, retail € 36
- Space Wolf 5-man Wolf Guard Terminators; 100 pieces, retail € 36

Both the Grey knights & Space Wolf boxes are old kits. The Blightlord Terminators are the same price as the Scarab Occult Terminators or Blood Angels Terminator Assault Squad.

Ok, let's compare to new kits.

Blood Angel Assault Terminators are 76 pieces.
Scarab Occult - for a unit with virtually zero options beyond heavy weapons and sorcerer layout.... over 80 pierces.

So how the hell does a kit for a unit with MORE options than either of these two 'new' boxes you've given as comparison....have less pieces?

The logic here is astounding.

It's not the piece count or sprues. It's the "Class" of models. These are terminator class, which are now at the 70 CAD pricepoint (see Deathwing Terminators). This is how GW introduces pricehikes now; old kits of the same class remain at the same price. New kits in the same class gets the new price.

Primaris Marines are at that price because they're considered the same class as the basic Stormcast Eternals.

Those Sweet Grey Knight Paladins at 36€... alongside Tartaros Terminators, the best Terminators GW has done.

As a new player, everytime I come to this thread I get depressed. This has to be the saltiest no-hype zone. I don't mind reading about various complaints people might have, but there is literally nothing else other than that for last 20 pages. Isn't anyone here excited about a single thing? It's a brand new army, with a new primarch. Most of the sculpts are awesome. Yes, there a few stinkers, just like there are in every faction in every game. Yes, some of the stuff is stupidly overpriced (bloat drones), but when has GW stuff ever been a good deal financially? Still think this army is awesome. I've had a great time painting up all the new stuff I've bought. The faction feels complete with multiple options, and not a substandard mini-faction type release. I think there is a lot to be excited about. The only two things I find dumb are the bloat drone kit and PM box. Luckily enough, I can bypass that stupidity by buying starter sets instead.

Mugaaz, the life-cicle of a thread is like in alchemy. growth, transformation, and then decay.

This thread is in the "decay" phase where all news and excitement has leave the thread and the only thing that remains is posters arguing with each other for pages, and pages, and pages

Personally I am delighted with the miniatures, I am happy with the codex it is just the slow release and some of the prices (Deathshroud, bloat drone, Plague marines) that have been a bit of a downer.

We knew the likely price point of single character/elite blisters but the Blight Drones and Plague Marines are just too damned expensive. I fear the same for the Blight crawler and to be truly effective you need three of them, if they are the £30 price point like the drone then a £90 unit is daft.

That said I have painted up the Nurgle part of Dark Imperium and await my two Plagueburst Crawlers and Tallyman at the weekend. Seriously if this thread depresses you just keep away, news wise this release is nearly done.

 Galas wrote:
Mugaaz, the life-cicle of a thread is like in alchemy. growth, transformation, and then decay.

This thread is in the "decay" phase where all news and excitement has leave the thread and the only thing that remains is posters arguing with each other for pages, and pages, and pages

My favourite bit of the decay phase is when people appoint themselves honorary mods and decide to start policing which opinions are allowed or not.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:

Yes, all those people who have been buying monopose metals from... basically every miniature company ever since time immemorial, what a sad world they live in. Everything must be multipose plastic or it's "sub-par".

Perhaps you missed all the articles in various WDs over the years about why the move to plastic was a good move - it being a medium that allowed them to create more dynamic and complex sculpts with the new tech they've gotten as well.

And perhaps you've somehow overlooked the fact that when your production capabilities change to allow for more dynamic and complex miniatures stepping back to the same mono-pose sculpts that you HAD to do some 20 odd years ago because of limitations as a choice isn't just sub-par, it's border level moronic.

Any hey, ever notice that as those other companies' tech and capabilities increased and improved their sculpts changed as well, becoming more dynamic or fluid?

Or how about the fact you're now trying to compare people buying metals from several years ago to people buying plastics TODAY from a company that has openly boasted how plastic and improved production methods means they can have more dynamic sculpts?

Nope. I'm comparing it to the myriad of companies that are not GW, who still make metals today, and all the people who buy them... including myself. Monopose allows for far more interesting and dynamic sculpts. I'm tired of people seeing multi pose models as being objectively better and something that everyone should strive for, when they're far from it. Calling mono-pose models "sub-par" in a dogmatic fashion is extremely silly.


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 H.B.M.C. wrote:
We still have people defending a box that has 7 models for the price of 10.

This is lunacy.

 Mymearan wrote:
Yes, all those people who have been buying monopose metals from... basically every miniature company ever since time immemorial, what a sad world they live in. Everything must be multipose plastic or it's "sub-par".

Y'all need help moving those goal posts? They look heavy!!!

I think you quoted the wrong post.

On the subject of sculpts, it's interesting to see people wholly embrace kits like the Blightkings, which are basically all monopose models that must use certain arms etc. Those sculpts are amazing and you still have a lot of different things you can do with the kit, but you just can't mess around with the poses much without some pretty heavy conversions. I'm personally fine with that kind of kit because, as mentioned above, it allows the artists to really make some interesting and evocative models, even though it doesn't leave as much room for customization. I would personally prefer a kit like that to your standard multipart kit where everything is interchangeable, but the poses are mostly static and the only real options you have are the degree of rotation you put on the hips, shoulders and necks.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Mugaaz, the life-cicle of a thread is like in alchemy. growth, transformation, and then decay.

This thread is in the "decay" phase where all news and excitement has leave the thread and the only thing that remains is posters arguing with each other for pages, and pages, and pages

My favourite bit of the decay phase is when people appoint themselves honorary mods and decide to start policing which opinions are allowed or not.

That's better than skirting around Rule 1 with tangential digs, or crashing the thread into another Antipodean pricing whinge.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Mugaaz, the life-cicle of a thread is like in alchemy. growth, transformation, and then decay.

This thread is in the "decay" phase where all news and excitement has leave the thread and the only thing that remains is posters arguing with each other for pages, and pages, and pages

My favourite bit of the decay phase is when people appoint themselves honorary mods and decide to start policing which opinions are allowed or not.

Yeah, thats part of people arguing with each other page after page

I'm not really a fan of the nurglings and gut mouths thrown everywhere.
I am also not a fan of the limited customization the new kits have.

I do like the new tank but i lost the use for the 3 Vindicators i already run.
Mortarion and Typhus are slowly growing on me, i really do not like the smoke and flies all over the place.

I wish they would do a vehicle upgrade kit with some bells and tanks i could stick on other vehicles i already own.

Overall this release has been a real turn off for me, so much i strongly selling my entire FW converted army.
The aesthetics go in a goofy direction that make the models almost comical, which is a stark contrast to Khorne which is as Grim Dark as you can get.

There are some parts of this release that got me really excited but then i was really let down by what GW came up with.
It is a good thing FW has lots of 30k Death Guard models or 30k models that could be converted to make up for some of these silly looking models.

I am really torn on Mortarion.
While i like having a Death Guard daemon primarch in plastic, i feel like he is really overpriced $$-wise for what we get.
I feel like for the same price or maybe slightly more we could have something like a Plague Tower of Nurgle or a Nurgle Contagion Engine. Just my thoughts.

I will also agree that a 7 man squad with less customization or options being priced the same as a 10 man squad with more of both is not cool.
Modelling is part of the hobby and i hope Primaris and Death Guard's build it one way models are NOT the norm in the future.

Mugaaz wrote:
Yes, some of the stuff is stupidly overpriced (bloat drones), but when has GW stuff ever been a good deal financially?

When Apoc first was released some of the Apoc army formations were incredible deals.

 Luciferian wrote:
On the subject of sculpts, it's interesting to see people wholly embrace kits like the Blightkings, which are basically all monopose models that must use certain arms etc. Those sculpts are amazing and you still have a lot of different things you can do with the kit, but you just can't mess around with the poses much without some pretty heavy conversions. I'm personally fine with that kind of kit because, as mentioned above, it allows the artists to really make some interesting and evocative models, even though it doesn't leave as much room for customization. I would personally prefer a kit like that to your standard multipart kit where everything is interchangeable, but the poses are mostly static and the only real options you have are the degree of rotation you put on the hips, shoulders and necks.

Myself, I suggested the Blightkings as a source for conversions. They are a goldmine of nurgle bits, I build up like, 2 Champions, 2 mace +axe, 3 axe + knife PM, 1 Plague cleaver, and there will be more. I also used 3 heads for the helmets and there will be more again.
People that love more "fleshy" DG and keep all the gubbinz and tentacles on their PM could probably use the bodies but don't take my word for it.
I am using, too, chaos knight weapons and the marauders for the flail (still to be built), but that will need way more effort.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Mugaaz, the life-cicle of a thread is like in alchemy. growth, transformation, and then decay.

This thread is in the "decay" phase where all news and excitement has leave the thread and the only thing that remains is posters arguing with each other for pages, and pages, and pages

My favourite bit of the decay phase is when people appoint themselves honorary mods and decide to start policing which opinions are allowed or not.

So true. Nothing more annoying than those who play pseudomods and ask for a thread to be closed. If the thread annoys you, you can simply stop posting in it.

 JohnnyHell wrote:


That's better than skirting around Rule 1 with tangential digs, or crashing the thread into another Antipodean pricing whinge.

But that is not what happens.
What happens is people giving examples for why they feel a price is a ripoff, and the answer is some ridiculous "you only need 7 anyway". Lol no.
What happens is people disliking the monopose or the aesthetic and being given false equivalencies ("we used to have monopose" - lol no, what I do see is not what I expect from the current technology).

The problem is that there is a good number of posters that cannot accept that people can have a partially or fully negative opinion on something and that such opinion is not a personal attack toward those who like such something. As if there is only the expectation of praise and nothing else when a new model is released. This is preposterous.
I cannot understand unless there is some serious shilling going on (don't think so) or the sculptors themselves post in Dakka (unlikely as well).

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Glumy wrote:
While there is nothing wrong with discussion about prices its a great thing that in capitalism nobody is forcing you to buy something you dont like ...and that is perhaps the only relevant answer.

Discussing the prices is, too, discussing the health of the hobby. Same with the rules.
If you price/annoy people out of the hobby, we will have less players to play with and GW less revenue etc.

Yes I am aware of the growth of the last year but tides turn. WHFB should have shown us something.

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

beast_gts wrote:

 Low_K wrote:
Take the 5-man Blight Guard Terminator box for instance; according to the GW homepage it contains 69 pieces, retail at € 45.

Now compare it to some other Terminator Boxes;
- Grey knights 5 man Terminator box; 153 pieces, retail € 36
- Space Wolf 5-man Wolf Guard Terminators; 100 pieces, retail € 36

Both the Grey knights & Space Wolf boxes are old kits. The Blightlord Terminators are the same price as the Scarab Occult Terminators or Blood Angels Terminator Assault Squad.

Ok, let's compare to new kits.

Blood Angel Assault Terminators are 76 pieces.
Scarab Occult - for a unit with virtually zero options beyond heavy weapons and sorcerer layout.... over 80 pierces.

So how the hell does a kit for a unit with MORE options than either of these two 'new' boxes you've given as comparison....have less pieces?

The logic here is astounding.

These numbers mean gak when you don't look at what's on the sprues.

Scarabs have a cowl that doesn't add any "extra" to the options. 6 pieces there.
The shoulder pads are separate. That's 10 more.

64 Scarabs vs 69 DG

Wolf Guard have 12 shoulder pads, 5 tassels, 7 extra heads, and 12 pieces of iconography or generally things that were modeled on the DG. That puts them at 64. Granted the extra heads are nice.
The GK kit has some real value, because of the gakload of weapons, but still has some 50+ pieces that don't change the dynamic for me.

GW made sculpts that are a cut above in style and that came with a trade-off. I'm certain we'll see kits have fewer of the "extras" and I personally am not concerned. I can understand if others are, but this changes nothing for me and lots of others.

The 7 man kit for PG is crap i'll give you, but I still want to see what they put on those sprues to justify it.

So for a deathguard army how many plaguemarines are people on average going to get?

Has anyone made an estimate of how much a DG army would cost with these new kits?

 NAVARRO wrote:
So for a deathguard army how many plaguemarines are people on average going to get?

Has anyone made an estimate of how much a DG army would cost with these new kits?

7 marines, 20 PW, a drone, and a few characters to cut up - $65
20 more PW - $40
7 more marines - $50
5 termies - $60
3 haulers - $150 (assuming)
2 more drones - $100
2 crawlers - $130
3 characters - $75

$670 (about $555 with 20%) before Mortarion and Deathshroud. I don't think i'd ever do more than a couple squads of marines though a big blob with all the support and buffs you can toss does sound tempting.

 NAVARRO wrote:
So for a deathguard army how many plaguemarines are people on average going to get?

Has anyone made an estimate of how much a DG army would cost with these new kits?

I'm going to have 20-30 to play around with, with different equipment for different lists.

A brand new army would be a pretty penny if you bought all NIB kits at MSRP and didn't use any DI stuff.

Mortarion - $140
Typhus - $40
Biologus - $25
Tallyman - $25
21 PM - $150
24 Poxwalkers - $60
3 Bloat Drone - $150
3 PBC - $195

=$785