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2019/12/05 13:39:45
Subject: Codex Tyranids Tactica: The Shadow Falls, The Hive Fleets Gather. Worlds Devoured
Why are people giving Resonance Barb to a Neurothrope? He only knows 1 hive mind power plus smite, and he can already cast both. So you'd be wasting the part of Resonance Barb that allows you to cast an extra power unless you spend 1 CP every turn to gain powers from your other psykers.
A better use of Resonance Barb would be on a Broodlord. He can cast both his powers without needing a CP and with his faster movement he can more easily get in range of targets to use some of our more offensive powers.
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2019/12/05 15:04:39
Subject: Codex Tyranids Tactica: The Shadow Falls, The Hive Fleets Gather. Worlds Devoured
Looking at this for the new Chapter Approved points adjustments with Psychic Awakening buffs.
Nitro Zeus wrote: I don’t have the book, but doesn’t Resonance Barb give them another power?
Per goonhammer yes it does.
"This model can manifest an additional power per turn and deny an extra power. Also, when you take a psychic test, add 1 to the total. This is straight fire. Windmill slam this thing onto your Hive Tyrants for triple easy-casting action."
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Dynas wrote: Looking at this for the new Chapter Approved points adjustments with Psychic Awakening buffs.
Nitro Zeus wrote: I don’t have the book, but doesn’t Resonance Barb give them another power?
Per goonhammer yes it does.
"This model can manifest an additional power per turn and deny an extra power. Also, when you take a psychic test, add 1 to the total. This is straight fire. Windmill slam this thing onto your Hive Tyrants for triple easy-casting action."
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Kraken Battallion - 5 CP - 3d6 take highest advance,
Dynas wrote: Looking at this for the new Chapter Approved points adjustments with Psychic Awakening buffs.
Nitro Zeus wrote: I don’t have the book, but doesn’t Resonance Barb give them another power?
Per goonhammer yes it does.
"This model can manifest an additional power per turn and deny an extra power. Also, when you take a psychic test, add 1 to the total. This is straight fire. Windmill slam this thing onto your Hive Tyrants for triple easy-casting action."
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Kraken Battallion - 5 CP - 3d6 take highest advance,
I think it is still worth it on a neuro, because reroll 1 and add 1 combined means you can very reliably cast a spell you DO NOT want to miss. For example that onslaught... man when you fail to cast onslaught it can cost you so much sometimes...
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2019/12/05 20:23:35
Subject: Codex Tyranids Tactica: The Shadow Falls, The Hive Fleets Gather. Worlds Devoured
Thank you pinecone77 for your response. I think I'll do the bone swords on the warriors as they seem like a fine option. Having my AP tied to how many 5/6 I can roll just doesn't seem as reliable as a flat -2 with one extra attack.
As for the carnifex I did look at the acid maw, my issue with it is that it has a better AP, -5 is crazy good but many high value targets have an invuln save anyways so it may often go to waste. It also has a damage of D3 vs the flat 3 dmg my bonus scything talon attack would give me from tusks. An attack that will do less damage than my normal attacks 66% of the time feels pretty unappealing sadly.
The crushing claws having -1 to hit is fine with me but man WS4 on a carnifex just seems so odd, never knew they had such a hard time hitting things in melee. If they were WS3 I'd almost consider the claws an auto-include.
Thanks for your advice again though pinecone, I appreciate it.
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2019/12/05 21:38:42
Subject: Codex Tyranids Tactica: The Shadow Falls, The Hive Fleets Gather. Worlds Devoured
I’ve seen the goon article. Can someone who seen the book confirm? Because a different write up described the Resonance Barb as letting you select another power as well as casting it, and it’s possible the Goonhammer guys wrote it wrong
2019/12/06 01:50:38
Subject: Codex Tyranids Tactica: The Shadow Falls, The Hive Fleets Gather. Worlds Devoured
Inevitable_Faith wrote: Thank you pinecone77 for your response. I think I'll do the bone swords on the warriors as they seem like a fine option. Having my AP tied to how many 5/6 I can roll just doesn't seem as reliable as a flat -2 with one extra attack.
As for the carnifex I did look at the acid maw, my issue with it is that it has a better AP, -5 is crazy good but many high value targets have an invuln save anyways so it may often go to waste. It also has a damage of D3 vs the flat 3 dmg my bonus scything talon attack would give me from tusks. An attack that will do less damage than my normal attacks 66% of the time feels pretty unappealing sadly.
The crushing claws having -1 to hit is fine with me but man WS4 on a carnifex just seems so odd, never knew they had such a hard time hitting things in melee. If they were WS3 I'd almost consider the claws an auto-include.
Thanks for your advice again though pinecone, I appreciate it.
Boneswords currently outperform Rending Claws against everything except T8/3+ with no invuln- where the Rending Claws have a slight advantage, and neither are good enough for that to be a situation you want to be in. So the Boneswords are just better, but this is a thing that could change with points drops or edition changes, so I highly recommend magnetizing.
The real value of Acid Maw IMO isn't with a melee 'Fex, it's with a ranged one. A Carnifex with Spore Cysts, Acid Maw, and quad Devourers throws out a bunch of chaff-clearing fire, still has a useful weapon for melee, and is tough (for its cost) to put down.
Crushing Claws hitting at -1 is annoying; I always take Old One Eye alongside melee Carnifexes to boost them back to hitting on 4s. Remember also that Carnifexes get +1 to hit on the charge, so combined with OOE's aura gets you to 3+ on the claws, and if you're Kraken you can continuously fall back and charge each turn as needed. Those claws can do some serious damage.
Nitro Zeus wrote: Yeah Acid Maw is what you take when your hands are full of all these guns
Well no, you still give them enhanced senses for a 3+ BS
Acid maw is a good weapon on a bad platform. What are you going to maw with your 4 attacks, WS 4+ and str 6? Better to give +1 to hit on 24 shots.
OOE should give +1 to hit flat to all the carnifexes, not only in the fight phase. Would love my fexes with BS 2+.
You hit on 3's in the first round of melle (which will be the only round of melle most of the time as they are going to fall back and shoot you). It's a simple trade off. You are trading 4 str 6 hits in a shooting phase for actually capable melle attacks. IMO it is an easy trade off to make. It's even easier to make it now with a custom hive fleet that allows you to advance and shoot without penalty. Plus if you have OOE its great to have melle on your shooty fexen.
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2019/12/06 21:25:28
Subject: Codex Tyranids Tactica: The Shadow Falls, The Hive Fleets Gather. Worlds Devoured
Nitro Zeus wrote: Yeah Acid Maw is what you take when your hands are full of all these guns
Well no, you still give them enhanced senses for a 3+ BS
Acid maw is a good weapon on a bad platform. What are you going to maw with your 4 attacks, WS 4+ and str 6? Better to give +1 to hit on 24 shots.
OOE should give +1 to hit flat to all the carnifexes, not only in the fight phase. Would love my fexes with BS 2+.
I hate this rigid view of thinking where there’s one thing ‘that you just do’. It’s not even right. The meta has changed so much right now, that Dakka alone isn’t reliable. Senses let’s you do 3.5 wounds to Marines instead of 2.5, it’s a bloody miniscule. 5 attacks on the charge including Bone Mace, all with good AP and doing multidamage, denying saves, all hitting on 2’s if OOE is nearby, and a free MW roll per charge on a Carnifex actually puts the damage on. It also stops them getting tarpit which is a big problem for an 18” range shooty unit. And you still get 24 shots hitting on 4’s right next to it which is sill a bunch of Dakka. Acid Maw is better than its ever been now and I’d say it’s actually probably the ideal way to do that if anyone is out here trying to make dakkafexes work still.
2019/12/06 23:05:42
Subject: Codex Tyranids Tactica: The Shadow Falls, The Hive Fleets Gather. Worlds Devoured
This is what im gonna build up to. I mostly just need the warriors and one nuerothrope.
Im tempted to take a malanthrope in the leviathan detachment, but I don't know if he'll make much of a difference with the kraken stuff hopefully tying up the opponent for a turn.
Adaptive Physiology wrote:Synaptic Enhancement Adaptations to this organism’s cerebral architecture have enhanced its connection to the Hive Mind. Through this towering and deadly creature, the horrific control and influence of the Tyranid race is spread ever further. This model gains the Shadow in the Warp and Synapse abilities, and gains the SYNAPSE keyword.
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So I've been looking at new meme builds with PA3.
Behemoth Hive Tyrant with Scythes of Tyran, toxin sacks, monstrous hunter WLT, then use Progeny of the Hive to give it murderous size.
Have it cast Unstoppable Hunger on itself
5 S8 ap-4 dam4 attacks, with +1 to wound, meaning on wound rolls of 5+ they are damage 6. Seems neat to me.
2019/12/08 07:49:55
Subject: Codex Tyranids Tactica: The Shadow Falls, The Hive Fleets Gather. Worlds Devoured
Nitro Zeus wrote: Yeah Acid Maw is what you take when your hands are full of all these guns
Well no, you still give them enhanced senses for a 3+ BS
Acid maw is a good weapon on a bad platform. What are you going to maw with your 4 attacks, WS 4+ and str 6? Better to give +1 to hit on 24 shots.
OOE should give +1 to hit flat to all the carnifexes, not only in the fight phase. Would love my fexes with BS 2+.
I hate this rigid view of thinking where there’s one thing ‘that you just do’. It’s not even right. The meta has changed so much right now, that Dakka alone isn’t reliable. Senses let’s you do 3.5 wounds to Marines instead of 2.5, it’s a bloody miniscule. 5 attacks on the charge including Bone Mace, all with good AP and doing multidamage, denying saves, all hitting on 2’s if OOE is nearby, and a free MW roll per charge on a Carnifex actually puts the damage on. It also stops them getting tarpit which is a big problem for an 18” range shooty unit. And you still get 24 shots hitting on 4’s right next to it which is sill a bunch of Dakka. Acid Maw is better than its ever been now and I’d say it’s actually probably the ideal way to do that if anyone is out here trying to make dakkafexes work still.
I totally agree - I think even before these new rules. ESP if running OOE. It's also even better now because this unit needs to advance to shoot turn 1. Now we have an army trait that allows advance and shoot with no penalty - so you were hitting on 4's before turn 1 anyways most the time with ES. Now you are hitting on 4's without ES. Also a big shout out to HVC and 2x DS fex build which I consider a very viable build too.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Isn't it dumb that these psychic powers which are so crucial to making nids viable in any way are tied to specific hive fleets? Giant missed opportunity.
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2019/12/09 22:54:03
Subject: Codex Tyranids Tactica: The Shadow Falls, The Hive Fleets Gather. Worlds Devoured
Nids having set subfactions is kinda weird anyway. It should all be a big build your own bugs book.
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2019/12/10 21:01:21
Subject: Codex Tyranids Tactica: The Shadow Falls, The Hive Fleets Gather. Worlds Devoured
Nitro Zeus wrote: Yeah Acid Maw is what you take when your hands are full of all these guns
Well no, you still give them enhanced senses for a 3+ BS
Acid maw is a good weapon on a bad platform. What are you going to maw with your 4 attacks, WS 4+ and str 6? Better to give +1 to hit on 24 shots.
OOE should give +1 to hit flat to all the carnifexes, not only in the fight phase. Would love my fexes with BS 2+.
I hate this rigid view of thinking where there’s one thing ‘that you just do’. It’s not even right. The meta has changed so much right now, that Dakka alone isn’t reliable. Senses let’s you do 3.5 wounds to Marines instead of 2.5, it’s a bloody miniscule. 5 attacks on the charge including Bone Mace, all with good AP and doing multidamage, denying saves, all hitting on 2’s if OOE is nearby, and a free MW roll per charge on a Carnifex actually puts the damage on. It also stops them getting tarpit which is a big problem for an 18” range shooty unit. And you still get 24 shots hitting on 4’s right next to it which is sill a bunch of Dakka. Acid Maw is better than its ever been now and I’d say it’s actually probably the ideal way to do that if anyone is out here trying to make dakkafexes work still.
I totally agree - I think even before these new rules. ESP if running OOE. It's also even better now because this unit needs to advance to shoot turn 1. Now we have an army trait that allows advance and shoot with no penalty - so you were hitting on 4's before turn 1 anyways most the time with ES. Now you are hitting on 4's without ES. Also a big shout out to HVC and 2x DS fex build which I consider a very viable build too.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Isn't it dumb that these psychic powers which are so crucial to making nids viable in any way are tied to specific hive fleets? Giant missed opportunity.
I agree "Gunfexen" are and have been a credible build. Looking at Baal might be that Kronos gets more Tourney play with the improves to shooting and Hive Minding...
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2019/12/11 05:55:56
Subject: Codex Tyranids Tactica: The Shadow Falls, The Hive Fleets Gather. Worlds Devoured
According to it the flleet trait which gives you advance and shoot without penalty is monsters only. Can anyone with the book confirm? I would hate for that to be true,
2019/12/11 06:21:02
Subject: Codex Tyranids Tactica: The Shadow Falls, The Hive Fleets Gather. Worlds Devoured
According to it the flleet trait which gives you advance and shoot without penalty is monsters only. Can anyone with the book confirm? I would hate for that to be true,
I confirm. We really are not treated very well are we... no Tyranid warriors advancing and shooting with no penalty with deathspitters and venom canons
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2019/12/12 09:07:49
Subject: Codex Tyranids Tactica: The Shadow Falls, The Hive Fleets Gather. Worlds Devoured
Yeah, the more i read the differences between the real stuff and what was initially spoiled and more i find that they were inflated a bit.
They are still nice enough to bring us on par with other factions, but not what can allow us to compete with marines unfortunately.
Which after all it may be a good thing, it means that marines were an outlier (hopefully in line for a nerf) and the power creep is not THAT pronounced.
2019/12/12 14:37:18
Subject: Codex Tyranids Tactica: The Shadow Falls, The Hive Fleets Gather. Worlds Devoured
So with marine heavy meta being steathy I am looking to tailor list to either ignore cover or move within 12" to shoot.
The second issue is the AP so getting Invul saves and FnP saves seems to be the best.
Spamming units with these combos seems to be a good chance.
That makes me want to take Leviathan for 6+ FnP.
Hive Guard with ignore LoS (but not cover ) are a maybe.
Im not sure we have anything that ignores cover aside from stuff like Mortal Wounds (spore mines and Meotic Spores)
For invul units
Flyrant, swarmlord, Genestealers, Zoanthrope, neurothropes (smite spam). Devilgant bomb dropping within 9" and shooting twice will kill 17.5 marines on average. Since within 12" they lose stealthy.
Malanthrope for additional defense seems like a must.
Catalyst spell is a must.
What other units/strats have access to either Ignore cover, an Invul Save, or FnP save.
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Eihnlazer wrote: This is what im gonna build up to. I mostly just need the warriors and one nuerothrope.
Im tempted to take a malanthrope in the leviathan detachment, but I don't know if he'll make much of a difference with the kraken stuff hopefully tying up the opponent for a turn.
I think the idea of the Warrior army has been overhyped a bit.
Yeah, the new Adaptations and Stratagems are great for Warriors, but they're only for one squad at a time. With three squads, at best you get Ignore AP-1/-2 on two of them (at the cost of both Physiologies), and then use the Stratagem on the third. Throw in a single cast of Catalyst and you can further boost the resilience of one unit, but at this point you are basically all in on the Warriors. The more units you take the less resilient they become overall.
I think one unit of 9 will be the most cost-effective. Spend one Physiology on them and pop the stratagem as needed, and give them a cast of Catalyst as available.
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