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 Yodhrin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

hazefrog wrote:
And now everything T-Sons related is at the back of the que. It will likely be 5-6 years before a T-Sons range gets proper treatment.

What's "proper treatment"?

They got their release, the only release they've ever had. What more were you expecting exactly?

If they can turn "fat stinky Marines" into a range the size of the Death Guard, they can do the same with "dusty golem Marines". I'm not sure they should do either tbh, there are a lot of other things I'd prefer GW be focusing on than giving all the minifactions of Chaos Marines the same level of excessive releases that all the minifactions of Goody Marines get - that's how we get Thunderwolves, people - but, they've set the standard now and I don't think it's unfair for players of other Chaos minifactions to be disappointed if theirs don't get the same treatment.

That, or god forbid, they had more fun making the Nurgle Marines and thus churned more out.

All of the different Nurglings show that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

hazefrog wrote:
And now everything T-Sons related is at the back of the que. It will likely be 5-6 years before a T-Sons range gets proper treatment.

What's "proper treatment"?

They got their release, the only release they've ever had. What more were you expecting exactly?

3-4 more kits.

i dont get paid to dream up what a t-sons army should look like. GW does and they didn't care to create more than a bare-bones thousand sons army.

i cant even find a decent T-Sons/tzeentch painting scheme for my Helbrutes and Maulerfiends.

So i am unhappy. Feel free to reply about how my being unhappy posts makes you unhappy.

Meanwhile everyone nurgle is running around super happy.

Voss wrote:

 Galas wrote:
Man, people complaining for a Codex when GW has confirmed that by summer everyone is gonna have one.

How did people survived when we had 2 Codex's a year?

They took comfort in knowing that codex releases mattered, and they'd get a bunch of new kits for their army alongside it.

So waiting years and years for the possibility of a Codex Release with some new kits is better than putting out there codex's as fast as possible so everybody can play in the same field, with the future possibility of new kits from supplements, campaings, etc...?

Thanks, but I prefer how it is now.

hazefrog wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

hazefrog wrote:
And now everything T-Sons related is at the back of the que. It will likely be 5-6 years before a T-Sons range gets proper treatment.

What's "proper treatment"?

They got their release, the only release they've ever had. What more were you expecting exactly?

3-4 more kits.

i dont get paid to dream up what a t-sons army should look like. GW does and they didn't care to create more than a bare-bones thousand sons army.

i cant even find a decent T-Sons/tzeentch painting scheme for my Helbrutes and Maulerfiends.

So i am unhappy. Feel free to reply about how my being unhappy posts makes you unhappy.

Meanwhile everyone nurgle is running around super happy.

Makes me pretty happy tbh.

The reliance on lots of psykers is... Awkward in the game as-is. Lots of points sunk for swiftly diminishing returns.

changemod wrote:
The reliance on lots of psykers is... Awkward in the game as-is. Lots of points sunk for swiftly diminishing returns.

Yep, another nerf to Thousand Sons with that stupid Smite reduction. Psyker heavy army.... punished for using a reliable psyker ability. And no real good ones to replace it yet.

GW said that Thousand Souns will have ways to surpass the Smite nerf. Can we... I don't know... relax about that until we receive some information about the Codex?

I was somewhat hoping for a librarian dread for the T-sons so that I could run my Osiron as something more than just a regular contemptor but I wasn't expecting it.
And that said I like the current state of the T-sons. They've got the dust-boys, the cabal terminators, and the sorcerers just barely holding it together.
The only thing that I'll be really put out to not see is a sorcerer lord in Terminator Armor. I hate having to take the regular datasheet for a sorcerer lord with mark of Tzeentch as then I have to keep reminding myself and my opponent that he doesn't do half the things the rest of the army does.

Disappointing reveal, honestly. But I'm not upset because I'm still holding GW to their promise of having every faction updated soon, so if not now then I'll probably have Tau in a few months anyway.

 Crazyterran wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

hazefrog wrote:
And now everything T-Sons related is at the back of the que. It will likely be 5-6 years before a T-Sons range gets proper treatment.

What's "proper treatment"?

They got their release, the only release they've ever had. What more were you expecting exactly?

If they can turn "fat stinky Marines" into a range the size of the Death Guard, they can do the same with "dusty golem Marines". I'm not sure they should do either tbh, there are a lot of other things I'd prefer GW be focusing on than giving all the minifactions of Chaos Marines the same level of excessive releases that all the minifactions of Goody Marines get - that's how we get Thunderwolves, people - but, they've set the standard now and I don't think it's unfair for players of other Chaos minifactions to be disappointed if theirs don't get the same treatment.

That, or god forbid, they had more fun making the Nurgle Marines and thus churned more out.

All of the different Nurglings show that.

"It was more fun so we just did loads of that" is fine for a hobbyist, but GW purports to be a company selling a product and employment at their studio purports to be a job, meaning the former should be aiming to manage their people so that the totality of their range receives adequate support not just the bits the sculptors "find their muse" for, and the studio guys should be prepared on occasion to knuckle the hell down and work on something that they might not be super inspired by but needs to be done.

You say that Yodhri. And thats how it should be and I'm sure it is how it works. But not as a whole.
Crazyterran has a good point, in that many GW products are sculptors doing what they want. If they feel motivated, they will make more kits, better ones, and more expansive ranges.

In FW they have more freedom to do that, but in GW many times they do it too.

Cant say that i find most of these new nurgles kits that inspired. Think it is one of the most boring release they have done lately (and i usually really like nurgle stuff)

 Galas wrote:
You say that Yodhri. And thats how it should be and I'm sure it is how it works. But not as a whole.
Crazyterran has a good point, in that many GW products are sculptors doing what they want. If they feel motivated, they will make more kits, better ones, and more expansive ranges.

In FW they have more freedom to do that, but in GW many times they do it too.

Sounds like Games Workshop have a greater issue in lack of diversity of interest in their own product line. If that's true, then it would be an issue that GW should be trying to solve.

 Galas wrote:
GW said that Thousand Souns will have ways to surpass the Smite nerf. Can we... I don't know... relax about that until we receive some information about the Codex?

Which would indicate they have had the beta smite rules ready for reveal for like half a month if the TS codex has something to help with the smite nerf.

Any hints on how the custodes replenished their numbers post-heresy? The events in Master of Mankind alone weren't kind to them and I can't see them walking out of the siege of terra unscathed, either. They're supposed to each be one of a kind creations.

Also interesting they did anything but give guilliman a guardian spear through the face considering their views on primarchs in general. Their mood didn't seem much improved in Dark Imperium.

Possibly covered in Watchers of the Throne? Haven't checked that one out.

Model-wise I think the release is brilliant. Let's see the rules.

As underwhelmed as I am by the 'huge' reveal being super-space marines with pointy hats, those jetbikes sure are pretty...

Every time I see "Custodes" I think Custodian, which is what they called janitors in school. So does that mean Custodes are the space janitors of the 41st millennium?

They're takin' out the trash, one nurgling at a time.

 gigasnail wrote:
Any hints on how the custodes replenished their numbers post-heresy? The events in Master of Mankind alone weren't kind to them and I can't see them walking out of the siege of terra unscathed, either. They're supposed to each be one of a kind creations.

8th ed fluff says they can make more of them so they replenished by making more of them.

Also interesting they did anything but give guilliman a guardian spear through the face considering their views on primarchs in general. Their mood didn't seem much improved in Dark Imperium.

Yeah well the "order 666" hasn't yet been issued so they have to be at least not hostile against Emperor's tools.



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 Necros wrote:
Every time I see "Custodes" I think Custodian, which is what they called janitors in school. So does that mean Custodes are the space janitors of the 41st millennium?

They're takin' out the trash, one nurgling at a time.

Seeing they were there to get rid of tools Emperor had no longer need(First thunder warriors, later marines if things had gone as Emp planned) actually not that bad comparison

 insaniak wrote:
As underwhelmed as I am by the 'huge' reveal being super-space marines with pointy hats, those jetbikes sure are pretty...

Is a guilty pleasure... "Damm, this reveal should have been new Xenos! Damm Imperials and Superdupermarines... but... omg those bikes... No! Give me Xenos or give me Death, GW! Wait-what?! Are those Custodes wearing a skirt?! "

Those bikes are nice. You know what would be nicer? A release that's not yet more power armor after a year of power armor.
I mean, did Nids and Eldar even get anything new? I don't think they did.

 Galas wrote:

 insaniak wrote:
As underwhelmed as I am by the 'huge' reveal being super-space marines with pointy hats, those jetbikes sure are pretty...

Is a guilty pleasure... "Damm, this reveal should have been new Xenos! Damm Imperials and Superdupermarines... but... omg those bikes... No! Give me Xenos or give me Death, GW! Wait-what?! Are those Custodes wearing a skirt?! "

Spoiler:

Thats how I feel haha.

I wanted a tau release badly, but after the release a year or two ago I don't think tau are getting anything for the next few years. But I'll settle for a guy on a jetbike with a lance.

tneva82 wrote:

 gigasnail wrote:



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 Necros wrote:
Every time I see "Custodes" I think Custodian, which is what they called janitors in school. So does that mean Custodes are the space janitors of the 41st millennium?

They're takin' out the trash, one nurgling at a time.

Seeing they were there to get rid of tools Emperor had no longer need(First thunder warriors, later marines if things had gone as Emp planned) actually not that bad comparison

Sorry to ask again, but it's interesting. Where's that background from?

 Necros wrote:
Every time I see "Custodes" I think Custodian, which is what they called janitors in school. So does that mean Custodes are the space janitors of the 41st millennium?

They're takin' out the trash, one nurgling at a time.

Well... the emperor does sit on a golden "throne" which is slang for a toilet so....

 CREEEEEEEEED wrote:
I wanted a tau release badly, but after the release a year or two ago I don't think tau are getting anything for the next few years. But I'll settle for a guy on a jetbike with a lance.

Man who doesn't remember when on the siegue of Terra the Dark Adeptus Mechanicus army faced the White Scars leaded by Constantin "Obi" Valdor in his jetbike.

 Galas wrote:
Man who doesn't remember when on the siegue of Terra the Dark Adeptus Mechanicus army faced the White Scars leaded by Constantin "Obi" Valdor in his jetbike.

Spoiler:

I'm so glad that this exists.

Kind of glad it's Custardees, I have zero interest in them. If it was a new xeno race I would have been all over it.

I can get back to choosing a start collecting box for aos now.

Vorian wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 gigasnail wrote:



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 Necros wrote:
Every time I see "Custodes" I think Custodian, which is what they called janitors in school. So does that mean Custodes are the space janitors of the 41st millennium?

They're takin' out the trash, one nurgling at a time.

Seeing they were there to get rid of tools Emperor had no longer need(First thunder warriors, later marines if things had gone as Emp planned) actually not that bad comparison

Sorry to ask again, but it's interesting. Where's that background from?

Inferred before from some bits in Master of Mankind, and more directly in First Lord of the Imperium, depending on what parts of Malcador's conversation we take at face value.

I'm thinking of what I need to round out my Custodes force.
I currently have:

FW Tribune guy
FW Telemon Dreadnought
FW Spear Dread
Contemptor with Assault cannon
3 3rd-party Terminators (weaponless at the moment)
40 Custodes with mix of Sheild&sword, Spear, and Vexillia
2 landraiders
FW Caladius grav tank

I'm thinking at least a unit of Jetbikes, 3 more terminators, another HQ or 3, and an upgrade sprue (if they make one). Dang, and I wanted to cut my hobby budget.

I feel like one of the few who were excited about this release. GW said this was in the making for the past 2-3 years, so I hope FW had an idea this was going to be released. This release allows me to fill up my custodes army for HH while being able to field it for 40k. GW has a win for me on this, though I can see how others might want some Dark Eldar love, or Tau. But, I imagine...sooner rather than later for them.