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 Nightlord1987 wrote:
I think these are their attempt at redoing Bikes to discontinue the SM line.

I'm already considering putting Primaris on them as part of my army.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Those bikes are just beautiful. I could never take the Sammael model serious with that giant book on the front and his Cape flowing right into the engine exhaust. Then there's the phallic Scimitar jet bikes from the HH that look like they vibrate.

I think these are their attempt at redoing Bikes to discontinue the SM line.

Jetbikes for Custodes are a way to drop Bikers from the Space Marine line??

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Those bikes are just beautiful. I could never take the Sammael model serious with that giant book on the front and his Cape flowing right into the engine exhaust. Then there's the phallic Scimitar jet bikes from the HH that look like they vibrate.

I think these are their attempt at redoing Bikes to discontinue the SM line.

Jetbikes for Custodes are a way to drop Bikers from the Space Marine line??

This is slowly becoming the 'flat earth' of 40k.

I'm genuinely wondering if I've missed or misinterpreted something here.

I mean, it wouldn't be the first time.

We've seen jet bikes before. We've seen space marines before. Call me when they've done something other than take the same we've already seen a hundred times and painted it gold.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

 Thanatos73 wrote:
And the Blance art showing them all armored up was in the 3rd Edition rulebook and I believe used before even that.

That's from 2nd edition - I'm pretty sure it's in the 2nd edition rulebook (or the Codex Imperialis book), so 1996.

farmersboy, that description from Inquisitor is referencing the 1st edition depiction, where they're normal humans (but all at leas Minor Hero level, so still pretty hard) as seen here: http://magpieandoldlead.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/tough-guys-dont-need-armour-adeptus.html

I knew it was older than 3rd Edition, but that was when I got into 40k and I’ve always loved that piece of art. Really set the mood of 40k for me and I can still remember looking at it in high school and being blown away by it.

At any rate, I’m excited to finally get the Custodes project running after they’ve been sitting in storage for a year. I just wonder what 30k goodness will be getting 40k rules. I hope I can use my grav tanks.

ERJAK wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Those bikes are just beautiful. I could never take the Sammael model serious with that giant book on the front and his Cape flowing right into the engine exhaust. Then there's the phallic Scimitar jet bikes from the HH that look like they vibrate.

I think these are their attempt at redoing Bikes to discontinue the SM line.

Jetbikes for Custodes are a way to drop Bikers from the Space Marine line??

This is slowly becoming the 'flat earth' of 40k.

Deny it all you want, but I'm willing to bet the next time we see a Standard marine model released it will be some Anniversary Collectors thing.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:

ERJAK wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Those bikes are just beautiful. I could never take the Sammael model serious with that giant book on the front and his Cape flowing right into the engine exhaust. Then there's the phallic Scimitar jet bikes from the HH that look like they vibrate.

I think these are their attempt at redoing Bikes to discontinue the SM line.

Jetbikes for Custodes are a way to drop Bikers from the Space Marine line??

This is slowly becoming the 'flat earth' of 40k.

Deny it all you want, but I'm willing to bet the next time we see a Standard marine model released it will be some Anniversary Collectors thing.

Good, the squat marines look terrible next to primaris.

There's a lot of hate from Xenos players. In many ways I understand this, as I too would love to see some Xenos love. On the other hand, things may not be so simple from a business point of view.

GW isn't a club of guys swimming in a pit of gold coins Scrooge McDuck style. They might need to do a number of "sure hit" releases that will quickly make their money back. These will then fund the development of armies that are slower on the cash return.

Frankly, as a Xenos player myself, I'd rather my own army languish for a few more months if it means the whole range gets redone extremely quickly.

 cuda1179 wrote:
There's a lot of hate from Xenos players. In many ways I understand this, as I too would love to see some Xenos love. On the other hand, things may not be so simple from a business point of view.

GW isn't a club of guys swimming in a pit of gold coins Scrooge McDuck style. They might need to do a number of "sure hit" releases that will quickly make their money back. These will then fund the development of armies that are slower on the cash return.

Frankly, as a Xenos player myself, I'd rather my own army languish for a few more months if it means the whole range gets redone extremely quickly.

The thing is though the reason a lot of Xenos/Sisters/etc players are getting annoyed(I really dislike when people use "hate" and "hater" to refer to annoyance or irritation expressed fairly reasonably in most cases) is the second part of that Faustian pact, the whole "fund the development of armies that are slower on the cash return" bit, has been falling by the wayside of late.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 cuda1179 wrote:
There's a lot of hate from Xenos players. In many ways I understand this, as I too would love to see some Xenos love. On the other hand, things may not be so simple from a business point of view.

GW isn't a club of guys swimming in a pit of gold coins Scrooge McDuck style. They might need to do a number of "sure hit" releases that will quickly make their money back. These will then fund the development of armies that are slower on the cash return.

Frankly, as a Xenos player myself, I'd rather my own army languish for a few more months if it means the whole range gets redone extremely quickly.

The thing is though the reason a lot of Xenos/Sisters/etc players are getting annoyed(I really dislike when people use "hate" and "hater" to refer to annoyance or irritation expressed fairly reasonably in most cases) is the second part of that Faustian pact, the whole "fund the development of armies that are slower on the cash return" bit, has been falling by the wayside of late.

There are 29 armies in 40k currently, only 9 of which are Xenos. It is only logical there will be quite long periods without new Xeno releases. It is not as if Xeno armies are the only ones that have to wait a long time for new releases. Anything that is not Codex: Space Marines has to wait a long time for new releases. Getting annoyed and complaining about it only seems impatient to me. Not that a bit of complaining is bad, but the extent to which some people are taking it goes way too far.

I believe Space Wolves will be the ones to receive the short half of the stick. They will probably be nearly the last codex to be released. But I believe, maybe, they'll come with a primarch attached?

It's probably easier to churn out the Blood Angels and Dark Angels codexes anyways because they're basically the Space Marine codex with a few additions and changes. Ditto for Death Guard and Thousand Sons.

Writing a "spin-off" codex like DA or TS likely takes a fraction of the time it takes to write a Tau or Eldar codex.

Custodes probably takes a bit more effort than TS or DA, though.

 Nightlord1987 wrote:
Those bikes are just beautiful. I could never take the Sammael model serious with that giant book on the front and his Cape flowing right into the engine exhaust. Then there's the phallic Scimitar jet bikes from the HH that look like they vibrate.

I think these are their attempt at redoing Bikes to discontinue the SM line.

No way man, they're GW's attempt at redoing rough riders so they can discontinue the Imperial Guard line!

 Galas wrote:
I believe Space Wolves will be the ones to receive the short half of the stick. They will probably be nearly the last codex to be released. But I believe, maybe, they'll come with a primarch attached?

My suspicion is they'll come with actual miniature kits attached. Wolf-mutant primaris or some such things. They've got 'stable for now' and 'possible unlooked for mutations' lurking out in the world as statements, and who better to get the something special than the ultimate in special snowflake marines?

And/or they wanted to spread the release dates of some of the guaranteed earners out, because they lack confidence in the long term.

Yeah the Woofs will get a bigger release because Russ will be one of their new minis.

I doubt Harlis will get anything. Odds are Necrons won't get anything either. Dark Eldar are an outside chance, but Ynari might be the 'big' Eldar release. Tau could go either way. On one hand their last big expansion wasn't that long ago. On the other hand, big robots are popular, so they could churn out a couple more of those and call it a Codex.

World Eaters and Emperor's Children will be the big Codex releases. I doubt Genestealer Cults will get anything given how new they are.

I can see Sisters being rolled into the Codex that brings the Sisters of Silence into the fore.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Yeah the Woofs will get a bigger release because Russ will be one of their new minis.

I doubt Harlis will get anything. Odds are Necrons won't get anything either. Dark Eldar are an outside chance, but Ynari might be the 'big' Eldar release. Tau could go either way. On one hand their last big expansion wasn't that long ago. On the other hand, big robots are popular, so they could churn out a couple more of those and call it a Codex.

World Eaters and Emperor's Children will be the big Codex releases. I doubt Genestealer Cults will get anything given how new they are.

I can see Sisters being rolled into the Codex that brings the Sisters of Silence into the fore.

The saddest thing is that that's entirely plausible and means that in the next year we'll be looking at a grand total of 1 major model release wave that isn't power armoured super soldiers who will end up with about 10 such releases in almost a row.

There are not 9 Xenos. There are 5. Eldar, Orks Tyranids, Necrons and T'au. Special Eldar have 3 books. If you consider Daemons extradimensional Xenos, then 6 Xenos. Marines (humans) good bad or indifferent, Will now have 10 books. 10 Power armor books. So creative. Count species and we have 5/6 Xenos and the rest are human. Nice to see that they have not had a new idea in what, 15 years?

yeah, I find current 40k very stale. Redoing the HH over and over again.

Thanks god Necromunda is back.

So, since everyone is tired of talking about power armor, should I point out the tsons release will be porting some lovely beast/gor units to 40k? The vortex beast is quite nice looking, and I like the gors if only because it should now be possible to run a full beastman army in 40k. So that's something neat to be excited about. Indeed, I wouldn't be shocked if we end up with the same situation as the DG codex, and most tsons armies end up having only a token number of actual space marines within them.

Look at it like this, GW is sneaking beastmen, daemon engines, and zombie hordes into 40k by packaging them alongside the power armor. It's like tricking your picky eater child into having his vegetables by mixing them into the main dish.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:


Custodes have been around forever, predating storm casts by... proably some 20 years. If anything one could say Stormcasts where inspired by the Custodes.

No. Custodes have been around for 20+ years as essentially a slightly exotic Imperial Guard regiment guarding the palace on earth, showing their abs 300-style and wearing domed helmet.

Their recent retcon into giant warriors even larger than Space Marines and decked in chunky golden armour is post-Stormcast and possible Stormcast-inspired.

Gr8 B8 M8 I R8 8/8

On another subject....God I hope the new tzangoor models also get kickass rules and flavours to acompany them!

SilverAlien wrote:
So, since everyone is tired of talking about power armor, should I point out the tsons release will be porting some lovely beast/gor units to 40k? The vortex beast is quite nice looking, and I like the gors if only because it should now be possible to run a full beastman army in 40k. So that's something neat to be excited about. Indeed, I wouldn't be shocked if we end up with the same situation as the DG codex, and most tsons armies end up having only a token number of actual space marines within them.

Look at it like this, GW is sneaking beastmen, daemon engines, and zombie hordes into 40k by packaging them alongside the power armor. It's like tricking your picky eater child into having his vegetables by mixing them into the main dish.

Not much of a fan of directly porting WHFB units in 40k. At least the Tzaangoors had an upgrade pack, but it seems it won't be the case for these ones.

you guys think this squad are part of an upgrade pack or not?





... also you guys think the tzaangor shaman will be an hq or not?

Hopefully HQ over elite, most tsons hqs are kinda expensive point wise a budget option wouldn't go amiss.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Not much of a fan of directly porting WHFB units in 40k. At least the Tzaangoors had an upgrade pack, but it seems it won't be the case for these ones.

I don't mind when it makes sense, and hear it does, at least to me. Tsons using gors to supplement their force works, and the elite amongst them being equipped with magic bows also isn't quite silly enough to bother me.

 Imateria wrote:
The saddest thing is that that's entirely plausible and means that in the next year we'll be looking at a grand total of 1 major model release wave that isn't power armoured super soldiers who will end up with about 10 such releases in almost a row.

Remember there is a reliable rumor about Tau getting something major (possibly a subfaction codex with models?) in the near future.

The Hetareons are obviously a new kit, even their helmets are subtly different.

I like the drawn Miserichordia.

SilverAlien wrote:
Hopefully HQ over elite, most tsons hqs are kinda expensive point wise a budget option wouldn't go amiss.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Not much of a fan of directly porting WHFB units in 40k. At least the Tzaangoors had an upgrade pack, but it seems it won't be the case for these ones.

I don't mind when it makes sense, and hear it does, at least to me. Tsons using gors to supplement their force works, and the elite amongst them being equipped with magic bows also isn't quite silly enough to bother me.

 Imateria wrote:
The saddest thing is that that's entirely plausible and means that in the next year we'll be looking at a grand total of 1 major model release wave that isn't power armoured super soldiers who will end up with about 10 such releases in almost a row.

Remember there is a reliable rumor about Tau getting something major (possibly a subfaction codex with models?) in the near future.

If I was a betting man it'd be human auxilleries. there's been a demand for them, and they could pad the codex out with a maix of IG and Tau stuff while putting out new kits that provide some funky hybrids (railgun Lemen russes. pulse rifle troops etc) it'd effectivly be a Tau GSC style release

 Galas wrote:
I believe Space Wolves will be the ones to receive the short half of the stick. They will probably be nearly the last codex to be released. But I believe, maybe, they'll come with a primarch attached?

From Hastings list of 5 primarches Angron and Russ are to come so very plausible.

 aracersss wrote:
you guys think this squad are part of an upgrade pack or not?





... also you guys think the tzaangor shaman will be an hq or not?

They are far to different to just be an upgrade. Different Helmets, different legs, different arms.

BrianDavion wrote:

SilverAlien wrote:
Hopefully HQ over elite, most tsons hqs are kinda expensive point wise a budget option wouldn't go amiss.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Not much of a fan of directly porting WHFB units in 40k. At least the Tzaangoors had an upgrade pack, but it seems it won't be the case for these ones.

I don't mind when it makes sense, and hear it does, at least to me. Tsons using gors to supplement their force works, and the elite amongst them being equipped with magic bows also isn't quite silly enough to bother me.

 Imateria wrote:
The saddest thing is that that's entirely plausible and means that in the next year we'll be looking at a grand total of 1 major model release wave that isn't power armoured super soldiers who will end up with about 10 such releases in almost a row.

Remember there is a reliable rumor about Tau getting something major (possibly a subfaction codex with models?) in the near future.

If I was a betting man it'd be human auxilleries. there's been a demand for them, and they could pad the codex out with a maix of IG and Tau stuff while putting out new kits that provide some funky hybrids (railgun Lemen russes. pulse rifle troops etc) it'd effectivly be a Tau GSC style release

I'm not a Tau player but I kinda feel like just turning every faction into Guard is a terrible approach. Brood Brother has been ruinous for GSC, basically turning the army into a way to ally Tyranids and Guard together, I can't imagine Tau players want the same for their army.

BrianDavion wrote:

SilverAlien wrote:
Hopefully HQ over elite, most tsons hqs are kinda expensive point wise a budget option wouldn't go amiss.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Not much of a fan of directly porting WHFB units in 40k. At least the Tzaangoors had an upgrade pack, but it seems it won't be the case for these ones.

I don't mind when it makes sense, and hear it does, at least to me. Tsons using gors to supplement their force works, and the elite amongst them being equipped with magic bows also isn't quite silly enough to bother me.

 Imateria wrote:
The saddest thing is that that's entirely plausible and means that in the next year we'll be looking at a grand total of 1 major model release wave that isn't power armoured super soldiers who will end up with about 10 such releases in almost a row.

Remember there is a reliable rumor about Tau getting something major (possibly a subfaction codex with models?) in the near future.

If I was a betting man it'd be human auxilleries. there's been a demand for them, and they could pad the codex out with a maix of IG and Tau stuff while putting out new kits that provide some funky hybrids (railgun Lemen russes. pulse rifle troops etc) it'd effectivly be a Tau GSC style release

Fw has dropped a lot of their kroot, they would be a logical expansion for tau. Things like shapers, knarloc riders, great knarloc, plastic hounds and krootox