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 lord_blackfang wrote:
If GW estimated to sell less than 1 Looncurse per store, they have no faith in the product and it begs the question why are they even allocating manufacturing resources to something they think won't sell.

We already know many stores got more than one copy in pre-orders.

You're forgetting that stock allocation isn't perfect; many stores might have only been sent 1 on shelf copy, but many might have sold multiple copies that were pre-ordered. In addition don't forget if GW central got a MASSIVE wave of pre-orders they'd likely end up pulling some stock from distribution to stores for on the shelf just to provide product to paying pre-order customers.

From what I can tell, at least in the UK, the GW central likely sends out its product the week of pre-sale at the start so if the Saturday gets a massive wave of pre-orders they likely have some means to rejuggle what stores will get.



Remember its not a long term product. GW does not expect to be selling it in 2 or 3 years time. It's a short term fast sale product.

We had several preorders. We got a single copy. Period. Like yes, you’re in the UK, you got your stuff. US stores got a single box per store. And from what I’m hearing that’s likely going to be repeated with the next couple releases.

 AduroT wrote:
We had several preorders. We got a single copy. Period. Like yes, you’re in the UK, you got your stuff. US stores got a single box per store. And from what I’m hearing that’s likely going to be repeated with the next couple releases.

They didn't fulfil the pre-orders?

 Gael Knight wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
We had several preorders. We got a single copy. Period. Like yes, you’re in the UK, you got your stuff. US stores got a single box per store. And from what I’m hearing that’s likely going to be repeated with the next couple releases.

They didn't fulfil the pre-orders?

Nope our local had 6 preorders from what I was told and got one copy. I actually was going to get into AOS with this, but not now. One customer grabbed a copy at the GW store 45 minutes away and is trying to sell it for $250 now. That’s the type of jerk I’d like to punch in the nose .

Man, I am starting to get pretty anxious about the AoS RPG. And not in a good way.

 Theophony wrote:

 Gael Knight wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
We had several preorders. We got a single copy. Period. Like yes, you’re in the UK, you got your stuff. US stores got a single box per store. And from what I’m hearing that’s likely going to be repeated with the next couple releases.

They didn't fulfil the pre-orders?

Nope our local had 6 preorders from what I was told and got one copy. I actually was going to get into AOS with this, but not now. One customer grabbed a copy at the GW store 45 minutes away and is trying to sell it for $250 now. That’s the type of jerk I’d like to punch in the nose .

Without the threat of violence... I have heard of only five copies making it to this entire country and am pretty salty about it. I had no intention of AOS but it would have made a lovely reinforcement to my 6th O&G army.

I'm sure the various stores will be angrily communicating this to GW, perhaps you should as well.

Forbidden Power: The Endless Spells on Warhammer Community.

Look at that. 4 endless spells and none of them do mortal wounds. They look pretty interesting.

Chikout wrote:
Look at that. 4 endless spells and none of them do mortal wounds. They look pretty interesting.

You can make the argument that the Soulseeker does, since you have to lose a model.

But yeah--they're interesting.

Interesting to note that the bridge only affects friendly units for movement and doesn't swap control at the end of a turn. So whilst the articles says the enemy can use it; actually the warscroll says they can't

This is how Endless Spell should work. More tools for a more tactical game with interesting decisions.

Chikout wrote:
4 endless spells and none of them do mortal wounds.

I'm genuinely impressed.

Since the Horrorghast takes on the form of that which most terrifies those who look upon it, I might have to convert one that is a giant stack of unopened model kits.

My preorder guy got 8 and I grabbed 2. Our local stores had multiples on the shelf on Saturday. Maybe it's a partially gw but also partially a flgs issue. Not all flags are equal based on volume and average orders.

I will see if my local GW has any left. If they do, I'm willing to pick up for somebody, BUT it'll be charged at full retail price, PLUS shipping. Which I don't think anybody should have any issue with. It'll be kind of like MDG's loot-thread. No scalping, but don't try to ask for a discount of any kind (cuz then I'm basically paying for part of it out of my own pocket). If anyone US-based has an interest, PM me and I'll take a look on Friday.

Yea I gotta say that up here in Canada (which usually gets stiffed on international shipping harder than most) my local GW still had copies on the shelf this weekend, and local stores seemed to fair similarly. Scarcity is definitely an issue, but I think saying "GW doesn't deserve to sell product if it can't stock it" might be letting the butcher's nails take hold a little bit

 Overread wrote:


From what I can tell, at least in the UK, the GW central likely sends out its product the week of pre-sale at the start so if the Saturday gets a massive wave of pre-orders they likely have some means to rejuggle what stores will get.

Remember its not a long term product. GW does not expect to be selling it in 2 or 3 years time. It's a short term fast sale product.

Kind of. UK Independents place orders by close of business Monday for delivery Wednesday/Thursday. Allocated product they are given a max number they can expect in order to not over preorder. If not all retailers take the max then they can free up units to offer late Monday or Tuesday or absorb back to Warhammer retail or online. The max is based on order volume / value in the past so the more the store has supported GW the more they are likely to get offered, in this way smaller places fully pushing the product can get a lot of product because they're ordering small but ordering a lot overall because stock is turning quickly, as opposed to a bigger place full of old boxes.

Very happy to see that all of the endless spells are utility and not MW delivery. They don't even deal MWs at all! I really like that and hope they continue in the future; the malign sorcery spells already provide more than enough sources for MWs.

 TwilightSparkles wrote:
TBH I've not seen GW officially try to blame anything for Looncurse selling out, closest I've seen was a question on Warhammer TV where the response was they'd tried to forecast demand. I dunno about the US but here there were multiple retailers still taking preorders day after they went up and various GW store pages showed stock for purchase on release day.

Maybe people need to look further than Element Games (who somehow sold out with a few minutes) ?

I see a few comments above someone mentioned allocations . Again, outside the UK I'm guessing you get stiffed on stuff like this? I was easily able to get several from a small store and that wasn't his whole order.

Considering most 3rd party sellers I spoke with had to cancel about 80% of their presales and issue refunds. I would say there was an issue. The 3rd party sellers advised they had placed their orders when they were supposed to but were advised that the shipment for the USA was lost.

Carrion Empire was a complete disaster on GW's part, and a following after with Looncurse just shows how incompetent GW is becoming with their preorders or their responsibility toward 3rd party sellers. If they loose faith in being about to honor their preorders I look for 3rd party sellers to start looking for more reliable products then GW's.

With what happened with Carrion Empire I made sure to order two copies of Looncurse and now I’m glad I did!

It really wouldn’t be a problem if they would re release the exclusive models within a timely manner. The individual release of the Carrion Empire HQs should’ve been expedited when the box set sold out.

I don't honestly see any 3rd party dropping GW if they want to stay in business , what are they going to do? Rely on FFG's haphazard, sometimes empty release schedule? Support PP when US retailers in particular are dumping stock ? If they don't already support Magic then I'd guess it's hard to attract significant numbers to it at this point. Even Warlord is showing signs they really are not interested in supporting non UK retail given their recent discount card promotion and shipping options.

I'd agree they need to get the character models out asap, it sucks that stuff like the charnel throne uses the arch regent that no one can buy without turning to resellers.

I was surprised by the sprue size for the Looncurse characters, both are definitely going to be in the £25-30 range as they won't fit in clampacks.

 zend wrote:
It really wouldn’t be a problem if they would re release the exclusive models within a timely manner. The individual release of the Carrion Empire HQs should’ve been expedited when the box set sold out.

Doing this, and releasing more of the big boxes isn’t necessarily easy to juggle round. Production wise, the packaging and sprues, books and all in the case of boxes, they all have a schedule in place long before.
So they can’t just shuffle stuff around this close to releases.

They probably had those HQs planned for further down, assuming CE would be around for longer. Certainly with Looncurse.

They also said on community that they’d have to be looking at numbers of units produced etc. but again we know that won’t hit the next box or maybe even stuff after. As those are already produced or in production. But for forward planning hopefully it’s not an issue we will have again for the future


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Lord Kragan wrote:
Man, I am starting to get pretty anxious about the AoS RPG. And not in a good way.

Why?
Nothing to do with all this Looncurse stuff I assume? As it’s not produced by GW..

I am kinda wanting that bridge.. just to use as terrain, not as a spell..

The bridge would be great for some Ghur terrain. A nice ribcage bridge. Shame its covered in spirit-stuff

I use it as terrain as well.

Forbidden Power: The Artefacts on Warhammer Community.

 Ghaz wrote:
Forbidden Power: The Artefacts on Warhammer Community.

Looking forward to pages and pages of this sort of uninspired dreck to justify a new 70 euro supplement.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:
Forbidden Power: The Artefacts on Warhammer Community.

Looking forward to pages and pages of this sort of uninspired dreck to justify a new 70 euro supplement.

Someones bitter.....