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My recollection is that the Cthulu Elves thing started with the dark elf character for the quest boardgame. If it got attached to the Idoneth, that was purely "we think some elves are going to get this, and here are some unfamiliar elves, so it will probably be them." Obviously, it wasn't the Idoneth. But we're still missing a Dark Elf off-shoot faction that we know almost nothing about.

A plastic warmaster range with skyships and giant monsters to battle walking cities would certainly be a game I could get behind.

I'd be far more inclined to play a large scale game when the figures can be put into units that take up a lot less space.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
A plastic warmaster range with skyships and giant monsters to battle walking cities would certainly be a game I could get behind.

This certainly sounds appealing.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
A plastic warmaster range with skyships and giant monsters to battle walking cities would certainly be a game I could get behind.

I'd be far more inclined to play a large scale game when the figures can be put into units that take up a lot less space.

Exactly!
Whilst big things are fun in warhammmer and 40K games they can get to be just too big and too dominating and sometimes you get get the same feel when your super huge model sweeps in and in a turn kills 3 enemy marines. I honestly hope we might see Warmaster arise again for AoS. The setting, lore and whole idea behind the game plays brilliantly into it and it would let GW put things like cogforts and mobile cities and huge airships and giant wandering monsters into the game in a way that is practical and affordable and sensible for most gamers. I'd also really love to see them do it with rank and file infantry. A way to not only represent blocks of infantry in a sensibel way but giving a chance to bring back some of the Old Warhammer themes and ideals that many gamers still love.


Still AT hasn't even evolved into Epic so I figure we are thinking 10 years away or more before Warmaster. Heck I'd wager its going to take a bunch of yeares just to get AoS onto all modern plastic sculpts.

I don't thing Games Workshop has any interest in creating a whole new range of models in a different scale. If there ever is a new version of Warmaster, it would probably come from the forgeworld specialist team, and probably wouldn't be very good.

Eumerin wrote:
My recollection is that the Cthulu Elves thing started with the dark elf character for the quest boardgame. If it got attached to the Idoneth, that was purely "we think some elves are going to get this, and here are some unfamiliar elves, so it will probably be them." Obviously, it wasn't the Idoneth. But we're still missing a Dark Elf off-shoot faction that we know almost nothing about.

Probably came from the Deepkin/Deep Ones line of thinking.

 EnTyme wrote:
I would be cautious about taking a rumored theme at face value. Remember when the Deepkin were first rumored as being "Cthulhu Elves"? If anything, their actual aesthetic is a mixture of Chinese and Greek. The rumored undead army has already gone from Mongol Skeletons to Terra Cotta Mummies in two pages.

To be fair, part of that is just the wishlisting.

Kanluwen wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Oh, 4chan. Just guesses then.

The Beastclaw Raiders combining with the new one is at least accurate, or was per reports from the AoS Open Day.

Blind squirrels and broken clocks, Kan. Blind squirrels and broken clocks.

Nah, my point was that it was something we already had been told.

Arbitrator wrote:Can't wait for all the white knights to shriek with delight at 'Mongolian Skeletons' whilst, without irony, claim Tomb Kings were bad because they're 'Egyptian Skeletons'.

. . . what are you even talking about?

Who knows.

That said, it's funny how we're definitely seeing some Egyptian motifs being adopted into the Disciples of Tzeentch.

The Cthulhu Elves thing quickly turned into Lovecraftian Elves, which turned into wishlisting, which turned into outrage at GW for failing to live up to promises they never made. Just trying to get people to set their expectations based off of what we know, not what's been rumored. That way you're not disappointed when "Mongolian-themed Skeletons" turn out to be skeleton archers with three yuan helmets on the sprue.

 Kanluwen wrote:

That said, it's funny how we're definitely seeing some Egyptian motifs being adopted into the Disciples of Tzeentch.

Yeah, its funny they're using motifs for Tzeentch that they have been using for Tzeentch for almost three decades.

Voss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

That said, it's funny how we're definitely seeing some Egyptian motifs being adopted into the Disciples of Tzeentch.

Yeah, its funny they're using motifs for Tzeentch that they have been using for Tzeentch for almost three decades.

Sandals weren't exactly a common motif for Tzeentch.

Voss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

That said, it's funny how we're definitely seeing some Egyptian motifs being adopted into the Disciples of Tzeentch.

Yeah, its funny they're using motifs for Tzeentch that they have been using for Tzeentch for almost three decades.

Well, 40k Tzeentch has always had an Egyptian flair, but I don't really recall much if any in Fantasy. Tzeentch always just blended in with the baseline chaos stuff, like Slaanesh. Khorne had spiky stuff, and Nurgle had an almost Roman Gladiator aesthetic. They've really leaned into the Egyptian them more now in AoS, than at any other point in time. Perhaps that's just so units like the Tzaanagors work well with the look of 40k Thousand son stuff. Perhaps old Setra is working with (or controlled by, I would guess) Tzeentch in some way?

 skullking wrote:

Voss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

That said, it's funny how we're definitely seeing some Egyptian motifs being adopted into the Disciples of Tzeentch.

Yeah, its funny they're using motifs for Tzeentch that they have been using for Tzeentch for almost three decades.

Well, 40k Tzeentch has always had an Egyptian flair, but I don't really recall much if any in Fantasy. Tzeentch always just blended in with the baseline chaos stuff, like Slaanesh. Khorne had spiky stuff, and Nurgle had an almost Roman Gladiator aesthetic. They've really leaned into the Egyptian them more now in AoS, than at any other point in time. Perhaps that's just so units like the Tzaanagors work well with the look of 40k Thousand son stuff. Perhaps old Setra is working with (or controlled by, I would guess) Tzeentch in some way?

Say it with me, on 3...

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SETTRA DOES NOT SERVE! HE RULES!



As for Egyptian themes and Tzeentch, yeah the Thousand Sons have had that for a long time now (though not as pronounced as the Necrons).

Thousand Sons does not the entirety of the Tzeentchian range make.


There's a reason why I specifically called out the Disciples of Tzeentch rather than just generally saying Tzeentch.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Thousand Sons does not the entirety of the Tzeentchian range make.


There's a reason why I specifically called out the Disciples of Tzeentch rather than just generally saying Tzeentch.

But they're all part of the GW range. And so its existence in the 1K Sons is almost certainly what's influencing the newer stuff.

Eumerin wrote:


As for Egyptian themes and Tzeentch, yeah the Thousand Sons have had that for a long time now (though not as pronounced as the Necrons).

Just the Newcrons. They used to just be 'The Terminator'. Now they're Tomb Kings in Space(TM).

 Manfred von Drakken wrote:

Eumerin wrote:


As for Egyptian themes and Tzeentch, yeah the Thousand Sons have had that for a long time now (though not as pronounced as the Necrons).

Just the Newcrons. They used to just be 'The Terminator'. Now they're Tomb Kings in Space(TM).

Its become more pronounced in there background certainly. But the Necron range has always had an Egyptian influence, ever since the first metal models.

Necrons always had that Egyptian influence - scarabs and lords were very egyptian and were some of the very first models whilst the Monoliths were very early releases too.

Everything Flanderizes overtime. It starts off with splashes of details on some models, and a couple resculpts down the line they’re a walking pile of themed flair.

 AduroT wrote:
Everything Flanderizes overtime. It starts off with splashes of details on some models, and a couple resculpts down the line they’re a walking pile of themed flair.

Just look at the new sisters. It's like someone said "I want this model range to be as infuriating to paint as possible. put as many small details on there as possible!"

 AduroT wrote:
Everything Flanderizes overtime. It starts off with splashes of details on some models, and a couple resculpts down the line they’re a walking pile of themed flair.

There are degrees - compare Space Wolves in 40k to....well ...anything

Yeah, let's hope Kirby wra.space.wolves are the high watermark of that sort of thing.

As for.all.the details on the sisters,.I think it's actually am.effprt.to.gelp everyone have ornate, baroque models as befit Inperial elite forces without needing to become a master.of freehand painting. So I'm all for it...

 Mr Morden wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Everything Flanderizes overtime. It starts off with splashes of details on some models, and a couple resculpts down the line they’re a walking pile of themed flair.

There are degrees - compare Space Wolves in 40k to....well ...anything

Space Wolves are also a pretty good example of how the thematic stuff gets more pronounced. In the earlier releases, they were simply an unconventional chapter that had thematic names for squads, and the wulfen curse. Things like Thunderwolf Cavalry didn't come until much later.

Eumerin wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Everything Flanderizes overtime. It starts off with splashes of details on some models, and a couple resculpts down the line they’re a walking pile of themed flair.

There are degrees - compare Space Wolves in 40k to....well ...anything

Space Wolves are also a pretty good example of how the thematic stuff gets more pronounced. In the earlier releases, they were simply an unconventional chapter that had thematic names for squads, and the wulfen curse. Things like Thunderwolf Cavalry didn't come until much later.

Weren’t the space wolves the first marine chapter to even get a codex? Way back in 2nd edition I remember reading my Codex Space Wolves when the white dwarf announcing the new Codex Ultramarines came through the door. And the codex format didn’t exist before 2nd edition, not in the sense we know it today.

 Mr_Rose wrote:

Eumerin wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Everything Flanderizes overtime. It starts off with splashes of details on some models, and a couple resculpts down the line they’re a walking pile of themed flair.

There are degrees - compare Space Wolves in 40k to....well ...anything

Space Wolves are also a pretty good example of how the thematic stuff gets more pronounced. In the earlier releases, they were simply an unconventional chapter that had thematic names for squads, and the wulfen curse. Things like Thunderwolf Cavalry didn't come until much later.

Weren’t the space wolves the first marine chapter to even get a codex? Way back in 2nd edition I remember reading my Codex Space Wolves when the white dwarf announcing the new Codex Ultramarines came through the door. And the codex format didn’t exist before 2nd edition, not in the sense we know it today.

The first true Amry lists were in the Book of the Astronomican - mines falling apart sadly - Wolves are not the one in the boo but they do have a cool campaign in the same book.

Space Wolves jumped the wolf big time - I can;t think of any fantasy armies going anywhere near that far?

Bit off topic here, this is the News and Rumours thread for AOS. If you want to continue that discussion please make a new thread for it.

New video about the tithe of bones.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/18/the-tithe-ii-judgement/

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
New video about the tithe of bones.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/08/18/the-tithe-ii-judgement/

I’m thinking a skeleton focussed Undead army?

Looks intriguing!

I imagine since we are getting these updates right now, that the associated releases are likely to happen in Q4 of this year. I would hazard that the narrator is the "lich" figure with the candles on his back. Wild guess is that he will be called the Mortarch of Judgement or something similar. Overall, really like the narrative being put out with this release and eager to see what happens next.