Codex Adeptus Custodes: By His will alone

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**Primark G**

McMagnus Mindbullets wrote:

@Primark G I think putting the bikes in reserve wastes their initial shock. Having to come down in the deployment zone means you can't maneuver into a nicer spot elsewhere, or pop a first turn charge. Also, if I hide 1-2 squads in the sky, the other will just be shot off.

Reserving is better than being alpha striked and losing them.

**BrianDavion**

X078 wrote:
I actually think the Hurricane bikers are costed ok.
Unfortunately it is not enough to just lower the points for the Terminators since they still lack movement to do anything worth their points.
My first suggestion would be to drop points and add a stratagem that allows their unit to redeploy via teleportation, basically copy and adapt Blood Angels - Upon Wings of Fire stratagem. THAT would make them worthwhile in my view, though i've never heard of them introducing new Stratagems.

But realistically change the Praetorian Plate relic to allow teleportation without the silly need of being close to the enemies in their charge phase. Then lower points on the Vexilla Teleport Homer to 1 CP. That combo might do the trick, partly at least. Still not as good as getting a BA like stratagem.

These units needs points reductions and/or amendments in various ways.
Trajann
Allarus
Bike Salvo launcher
All Vexilla units, too expensive and lots of redundant strats. besides being a standalone character the vexilla should be wargear in all units.

Allarus Custaodes are a 2+/4++ 4 wound unit. with deep strike and OS. that's a phenominal unit, if custodes didn't have FGLTC they'd likely be a lot more popular. problem is, with that stratigium, your native deep strikers need to be cheap eneugh that taking them instead of burning the CP is worth it.

**davidgr33n**

Just curious if anyone takes the Auric Shackles Relic on any of their Shield-Captains? It seems like a great Relic considering how often we match up vs other Characters, even Knights.

**Eldarain**

Is it still pretty much bikes or bust with the golden boys? They have such cool minis now. Keep wanting to pick some up. Did the FW units give them other viable approaches?

**greyknight12**

Eldarain wrote:
Is it still pretty much bikes or bust with the golden boys? They have such cool minis now. Keep wanting to pick some up. Did the FW units give them other viable approaches?

FW beta rules (and they’re still beta) gave us anti-big vehicle: shooting/punching them with dreadnoughts or shooting them with a tank. Hopefully they get some points drops/rules updates, but the remaining models really have the interesting potential when they get rules:
Heavy ranged custodian guard
Flamer-armed terminators (with maybe a 3++?)
Dreadnought with a storm shield
If done well, any of those things would be very worthwhile to include.

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davidgr33n wrote:
Just curious if anyone takes the Auric Shackles Relic on any of their Shield-Captains? It seems like a great Relic considering how often we match up vs other Characters, even Knights.

-1 attack isn’t better than +1 invul. Since you can have 2 3++ for a single CP (warlord and one other), spending an extra 2 CP to get a third relic that isn’t as good doesn’t make sense a lot considering the other things you can do especially when your CP pool is limited.

**Ordana**

Eldarain wrote:
Is it still pretty much bikes or bust with the golden boys? They have such cool minis now. Keep wanting to pick some up. Did the FW units give them other viable approaches?

At the top levels of competition. Yes, its bikes or bust.

**BrianDavion**

That said can't hurt to pick up some minis you like the look of, I suspect custodes will get a points adjustment come CA.

**Primark G**

I’ve seen a good number of lists that’s not all jetbikes... knew this would come up again.

**BrianDavion**

Primark G wrote:
I’ve seen a good number of lists that’s not all jetbikes... knew this would come up again.

I have too, but right now jetbikes are definatly the best choice. I expect GW'll address this, and I'm hoping they points discount Allarus custodes instead of nerf the bikes.

**Audustum**

BrianDavion wrote:
Primark G wrote:
I’ve seen a good number of lists that’s not all jetbikes... knew this would come up again.

I have too, but right now jetbikes are definatly the best choice. I expect GW'll address this, and I'm hoping they points discount Allarus custodes instead of nerf the bikes.

I hope so as well. The Bikes aren't actually overpowered in relation to other Codices, it's just that non-Bike Custodes are underpowered compared to other Codices so the Bikes seem overtly strong WITHIN the Codex by comparison.

But if you just nerfed Jetbikes we'd drop down to below mid-tier unless FW saves us.

**Primark G**

I meant to say I’ve seen a good number of lists that aren’t all jetbikes.

**stratigo**

BrianDavion wrote:
Primark G wrote:
I’ve seen a good number of lists that’s not all jetbikes... knew this would come up again.

I have too, but right now jetbikes are definatly the best choice. I expect GW'll address this, and I'm hoping they points discount Allarus custodes instead of nerf the bikes.

They do need to nerf the captain on bike, but I hope the squads stay roughly the same cost

**BillyN831**

What do Adeptus Custodes have for optimal anti-tank options? Thanks!

**Slayer-Fan123**

Primark G wrote:
I meant to say I’ve seen a good number of lists that aren’t all jetbikes.

No you haven't. At minimum you see some Custodes Guard being ran and granted they're pretty decent.

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BrianDavion wrote:
Primark G wrote:
I’ve seen a good number of lists that’s not all jetbikes... knew this would come up again.

I have too, but right now jetbikes are definatly the best choice. I expect GW'll address this, and I'm hoping they points discount Allarus custodes instead of nerf the bikes.

Nerfing bikes won't make any of the Elite choices more appealing though.

**greyknight12**

BillyN831 wrote:
What do Adeptus Custodes have for optimal anti-tank options? Thanks!

Custodes don’t really have any “optimal” choices for anti-tank. Everything is expensive. That said, our options are:
1. Axes and Lances: beat it to death in CC.
2. Salvo launchers should be good, but for some reason no one has ever really got them to work and they aren’t much better than hurricanes against a lot of targets.
3. FW: the Telemon can punch or shoot at tanks, the Achillus can spear tanks, the Callidus Tank can shoot them. They are all varying degrees of overcosted though, and don’t have good way to defend against being the only vehicle in your army.

**Primark G**

The Telemon dreadnaught and grav tank are both good anti tank but are presently overcosted.

**Ordana**

BillyN831 wrote:
What do Adeptus Custodes have for optimal anti-tank options? Thanks!

Hit them with the pointy end.
That's basically it.

**meleti**

BillyN831 wrote:
What do Adeptus Custodes have for optimal anti-tank options? Thanks!

Punch them to death or bring allies, pretty much. Salvo launchers are a thing but aren’t particularly impressive.

**cuda1179**

Well.....LandRaiders have lascannons…..LOL, I could barely suggest that with a strait face. I converted two of them, but outside of friendly mega battles and photo shoots they will likely be case Queens.

**meleti**

cuda1179 wrote:
Well.....LandRaiders have lascannons…..LOL, I could barely suggest that with a strait face. I converted two of them, but outside of friendly mega battles and photo shoots they will likely be case Queens.

The Land Raider was my favorite model growing up. I’m still bitter that all variants of LRs just straight up suck in every army this edition. AC probably have the worst, though.

**BillyN831**

Thanks!

**BrianDavion**

stratigo wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
Primark G wrote:
I’ve seen a good number of lists that’s not all jetbikes... knew this would come up again.

I have too, but right now jetbikes are definatly the best choice. I expect GW'll address this, and I'm hoping they points discount Allarus custodes instead of nerf the bikes.

They do need to nerf the captain on bike, but I hope the squads stay roughly the same cost

they just need to ban the supreme command detachment from ranked play

**stratigo**

BrianDavion wrote:
stratigo wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
Primark G wrote:
I’ve seen a good number of lists that’s not all jetbikes... knew this would come up again.

I have too, but right now jetbikes are definatly the best choice. I expect GW'll address this, and I'm hoping they points discount Allarus custodes instead of nerf the bikes.

They do need to nerf the captain on bike, but I hope the squads stay roughly the same cost

they just need to ban the supreme command detachment from ranked play

You’d just see other ways to get them in

**BrianDavion**

stratigo wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
stratigo wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
Primark G wrote:
I’ve seen a good number of lists that’s not all jetbikes... knew this would come up again.

I have too, but right now jetbikes are definatly the best choice. I expect GW'll address this, and I'm hoping they points discount Allarus custodes instead of nerf the bikes.

They do need to nerf the captain on bike, but I hope the squads stay roughly the same cost

they just need to ban the supreme command detachment from ranked play

You’d just see other ways to get them in

I don't want people being stopped from taking them, but I think people taking JUST Bike captains is a problem.

**greyknight12**

People just taking 3 of any HQ is a problem

**BrianDavion**

greyknight12 wrote:
People just taking 3 of any HQ is a problem

I agree 100% HQs should be HQs. not the entire basis of your army.

**Eldarain**

I'm with Brian. That detachment was a mistake.

**Neophyte2012**

Maybe 3 SC on bike and a Allrus Contemptor Dreadnought (that spear holding Dread)?

**BrianDavion**

Eldarain wrote:
I'm with Brian. That detachment was a mistake.

I mean I get why they did it, they promised 8th edition wouldn't make any armies "illegal" and they had to account for stuff like the Librarian conclave, but it really is a sacrifice they should have just made.

**stratigo**

Particularly since battalions allow for 3 commanders in any regards and even patrols fit, I believe, 2. It's not at all hard to jam hqs into the game.