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This all sounds very cool but I wont be participating in the "gotta catch em all" aspects.

 Eldarain wrote:
This all sounds very cool but I wont be participating in the "gotta catch em all" aspects.

Good thing you don't really have to?

Kill Team Starter Sets are the perfect way to get stuck in with a new kill team, each featuring specially selected models, new rules, custom tokens and terrain to bolster your collection, all at a lower price than picking up the contents separately. Each can be used as a pre-made kill team in its own right, or as a starting point for one of your own making, featuring unique faction tactics cards you won’t find anywhere else. Let’s take a look inside the Krogskull’s Boyz set.

So you have 12 Ork Faction Tactics in the set, 6 of which are new.

This doesn't look to be Shadespire where you have generic cards bundled into the faction boxes. The closest thing I can see to that idea is the "environment cards", but depending on the price of the sets it's possible it's cheaper to buy them than the actual terrain solo.

 streetsamurai wrote:
Looks alright, but im a bit worried that it will take some wind out of necromunda

that might not be a bad thing, allow the people who want a balanced fair fight every game to move over to something that supports that, and leave necromunda for those who are cool with a gang that's well behind in the power stakes due to bad rolls and previous gangmember deaths?

Looks awesome, can't wait. In for the base and Ork boxes.for sure

If there is a tactic that you want to use, there will be lists of all of them online, the cards are similar to the warscroll cards they make for reference

It's not like a card game where you need to shuffle and randomly draw them.

the_scotsman wrote:
"And in case you play small, skirmish-focused factions with limited model support like Sisters of Battle, Inquisition, Assassins, Sisters of Silence or even Underhive Gangers, have no fear, we at GW have decided that you can all feth RIGHT OFF! That's right, no rules support for you at all.

Also Custodes. Because screw those banana boiz."

You should read the FAQ, they are surprisingly honest about exactly this.
And yeah, tactics are like stratagems. They will be online minutes after the boxes are on sale.

Got gangers? Use them with the Astra Militarum force list. Or Adeptus Mechanicus, perhaps. Or Orks, if you're using Goliaths.

They are launching with support for 18 armies, that's so many right out the gate

 Insane Ivan wrote:
Good news for those who think that there are too many Space Marine factions: apart from Death Watch (who fit better in kill team than in Regular 40K, IMHO) and Grey Knights, all Space Marine chapters appear to be covered by "Adeptus Astartes". While on the Chaos side, there's Heretic Astartes, Death Guard, and Thousand Sons.

Notably absent from the list of factions are Daemons, Custodes, Inquisition, and Sisters of Battle. The first two make sense to me as they don't really fit thematically, but I'm guessing the other two will be waiting for an new release of their own (like the Rogue Trader team).

Assassins too.

I can see all of those appearing at some point, except Daemons for the thematic reasons you mention (maybe they are included as limited options for Heretic Astartes?). Custodes do actually do espionage, although maybe they would want to release a bodysuit stealth kit for them. The biggest reason Custodes and Assassins seem to be left out would be balance in my opinion- they would beed a more carefully crafted ruleset to account for their elite models.

Inquisition and Sisters seem to be waiting for new models.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Got gangers? Use them with the Astra Militarum force list. Or Adeptus Mechanicus, perhaps. Or Orks, if you're using Goliaths.

Chaos Cultists and Neophytes also fit.

It looks great. The tactics card deck looks like it'll be multi-faction.

No word on an Inquistion codex and now no faction for Kill Team. Think they've been squatted? *ahem* 'indexed'?

 tokugawa wrote:
Can't wait to see some new Shadespire-ish 40K etb plastic models!

Hopefully there is none. Etb is one of the worst thing to have happened in this hobby, and they would also make no sense in a game where customisation is involved.

Wow this sounds like it exactly what my group and I were waiting for!

 ChargerIIC wrote:


No word on an Inquistion codex and now no faction for Kill Team. Think they've been squatted? *ahem* 'indexed'?

This has been my assumption for a while now, and the lack of mention of them for Killteam, the game they would be absolutely perfect for, just reinforces my position. Yes, no plastic kit support is likely the main reason as to why, but it's just a further spin through the ringer.

 Fafnir wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:


No word on an Inquistion codex and now no faction for Kill Team. Think they've been squatted? *ahem* 'indexed'?

This has been my assumption for a while now, and the lack of mention of them for Killteam, the game they would be absolutely perfect for, just reinforces my position. Yes, no plastic kit support is likely the main reason as to why, but it's just a further spin through the ringer.

Yeah, and Waywatchers are perfect for AoS Skirmish yet not listed for it.

They answered this question on the Facebook. They chose armies that have access to plastic kits currently.

 streetsamurai wrote:

 tokugawa wrote:
Can't wait to see some new Shadespire-ish 40K etb plastic models!

Hopefully there is none. Etb is one of the worst thing to have happened in this hobby, and they would also make no sense in a game where customisation is involved.

This is so incredibly wrong. The EtB kits have been fantastic, well-priced, and easy to work with. They're as easy as anything else to modify in plastic, and they allow for new people to get models on the table quicker and cheaper. Some EtB special characters or veteran guys would be a great model sub-line for Kill Team.

Aaaand I'm out. Necromunda and Shadespire were bad enough but this level of nickel and diming I will not swallow. I have zero desire to rebuy huge boxes of old models just to collect all the game rules.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Aaaand I'm out. Necromunda and Shadespire were bad enough but this level of nickel and diming I will not swallow. I have zero desire to rebuy huge boxes of old models just to collect all the game rules.

Convenient discount bundles of models and terrain you'll need to start playing a new game format = nickle and diming?

I need a killteam sized realm of battle board.

 Prometheum5 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Aaaand I'm out. Necromunda and Shadespire were bad enough but this level of nickel and diming I will not swallow. I have zero desire to rebuy huge boxes of old models just to collect all the game rules.

Convenient discount bundles of models and terrain you'll need to start playing a new game format = nickle and diming?

Convenient discount bundles of models and terrain loads of folk already own multiples of, which you have to buy to get all the rules to play a new game format probably qualifies aye, if you can't just buy the rules content on its own at a fair price. People can say "oh it's just more options, you don't need them", but that's a fair old crock and everybody knows it.

Haha, Necromunda and shaowspire costs a fraction of 40k what are you talking about?

Seeing people grump about stuff like this just goes to show that people will grump about anything!

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Prometheum5 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Aaaand I'm out. Necromunda and Shadespire were bad enough but this level of nickel and diming I will not swallow. I have zero desire to rebuy huge boxes of old models just to collect all the game rules.

Convenient discount bundles of models and terrain you'll need to start playing a new game format = nickle and diming?

Convenient discount bundles of models and terrain loads of folk already own multiples of, which you have to buy to get all the rules to play a new game format probably qualifies aye, if you can't just buy the rules content on its own at a fair price. People can say "oh it's just more options, you don't need them", but that's a fair old crock and everybody knows it.

And if you don't happen to own the models in question and this turns out cheaper than buying them separately?

I have yet to make my big mistake for the month, so I'm going to say I'm cautiously optimistic. It's not like my GW gaming could possibly get any worse, but maybe, just maybe we'll get some decent rules out of this one.

Maybe GW even lets me buy Necron dice. Wouldn't that be something?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Fafnir wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:


No word on an Inquistion codex and now no faction for Kill Team. Think they've been squatted? *ahem* 'indexed'?

This has been my assumption for a while now, and the lack of mention of them for Killteam, the game they would be absolutely perfect for, just reinforces my position. Yes, no plastic kit support is likely the main reason as to why, but it's just a further spin through the ringer.

Yeah, and Waywatchers are perfect for AoS Skirmish yet not listed for it.

They answered this question on the Facebook. They chose armies that have access to plastic kits currently.

They did? I hope that goes just for "armies", not units within those armies. I want Fayled Ones.

 Prometheum5 wrote:

 streetsamurai wrote:

 tokugawa wrote:
Can't wait to see some new Shadespire-ish 40K etb plastic models!

Hopefully there is none. Etb is one of the worst thing to have happened in this hobby, and they would also make no sense in a game where customisation is involved.

This is so incredibly wrong. The EtB kits have been fantastic, well-priced, and easy to work with. They're as easy as anything else to modify in plastic, and they allow for new people to get models on the table quicker and cheaper. Some EtB special characters or veteran guys would be a great model sub-line for Kill Team.

An easy to build kit will never, ever be as easy and convenient to customize as a multi-part kit. Therefore when it comes to customization, no, nothing about that statement is incredibly wrong.

Easy to build kits have merits, but let's not pretend they're the be all, end all.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Aaaand I'm out. Necromunda and Shadespire were bad enough but this level of nickel and diming I will not swallow. I have zero desire to rebuy huge boxes of old models just to collect all the game rules.

What are you talking about? If you already have minis and terrain the only thing you need is the rule book which will be available on its own. Everything else is just bundles and optional extras.

Chikout wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Aaaand I'm out. Necromunda and Shadespire were bad enough but this level of nickel and diming I will not swallow. I have zero desire to rebuy huge boxes of old models just to collect all the game rules.

What are you talking about? If you already have minis and terrain the only thing you need is the rule book which will be available on its own. Everything else is just bundles and optional xtras.

The bundles also includes some rules that are only available in them.

Haha, they just contain cards for a few tactics that you can just print out, calm down

I couldnt care less about it since i dont expect to play the game, at least not initially.


Still, i can see why it bothers some persons

It seems like you care a lot!

. And to the ignore list you go

and the rulebook is available separately...

They lost me at "Shadespire team". I don't find anything especially appealing about a deck-building game that uses minis as expensive tokens. This isn't looking like the game I have been waiting for at all.

The playing space is too small.
Models and factions being excluded for not being in plastic is silly.
More "Do X again/+1 to Y so-called stratagems."
Shallow, one-dimensional "skills."
Terrain/rule terrain/model boxes that are likely to be a lousy deal for what you get.

Implementing AA is great, though. But not enough to get me playing.