CMON News and Rumours - 2024 Annual Results

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**Sarouan**

Wow. Heavenfall is really about fighting angels.

Things must have gone really South if the heroes have to do that to fight the Darkness.

**Psychopomp**

I legit can't tell if I like the minis or not this go-around.

They seem overly stylized and overwrought at times.

**Myrthe**

Whew !! I was worried about another CMON assault on my wallet but, from the initial look of things, I might be able to pass on this KS.

I'm not a fan of the minis shown and the Hell / Heaven setting is a tired one to me.

That being said, I'm still interested enough to follow along and am open to the possibility of being tempted enough to pledge.

I wonder if there will be a way to get the MD:1 upgrade pack and base rules only to be able to play that version with the new enhancement ?

**DaveC**

They’ve already confirmed the upgrade kit is not backward compatible it will only bring the MD1 heroes, minions and roaming monsters into MD2 it will not upgrade MD1 to MD2.

**Myrthe**

DaveC wrote:
They’ve already confirmed the upgrade kit is not backward compatible it will only bring the MD1 heroes, minions and roaming monsters into MD2 it will not upgrade MD1 to MD2.

Ah, good to know. Thank you.

**Monkeysloth**

I'm back and forth on the art style. It really should make those that wanted Wrath of Kings mixed with Massive Darkness, which I know has been a common request from WoK fans here, happy. Overall I don't think it's bad but, like WoK, there are things that don't work for me.

Will back for a dollar at least.

**DaveC**

And it's live

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cmon/massive-darkness-2-hellscape

$100 for MD2
$145 for the Core game and Heavenfall

Stretch Goals are a combination of daily unlocks and set value unlocks.

During the campaign, we will take you on a journey down the Dungeons, and whatever crosses our path will be added to your pledge as rewards, be that friend, foe, or simply some great loot.

We will explore 1 new room every day, each with their encounters, throughout the 22 days of campaign! But that’s not all that’s in store for you. Occasionally, we may find a passage to secret rooms with locked chests – these are the Stretch Goals that will also be added to your pledge! However, unlike what we usually do, the contents of each chest will only be revealed once we hit the necessary amount to unlock it.

Unlocking a chest won’t necessarily guarantee the appearance of another right after it. However, rest assured that the secret rooms and their amazing rewards will be constant along our path.

With the constant flow of Daily Rewards combined with secret chests (Stretch Goals) appearing from time to time, by the end of our journey we are sure to have as many rewards as you’re used to see in our campaigns, but with a better and constant pace.

Rulebook

http://resources.cmon.com/MD2-Hellscape-Rulebook-web.pdf

TTS link

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2172749335

Painted minis

Spoiler:

**BobtheInquisitor**

I hope this is successful enough to fund the rest of Ankh’s fulfillment ...and I guess keep CMON afloat long enough to kickstart some funds to finish this one off. That would be nice.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Probably wise to go with a daily unlock model with occasional stretch goal

recent project they've had to rescue as the stretch goals just weren't being reached can't have done them any favours, so this guarantees an email a day

and if they don't put a number on the stretch goals (or only on the next one) they're far freer to respond to how things are going

pleasantly surprised the shipping costs haven't skyrocketed (although they will be an underestimate)

**DaveC**

New minion set unlocked not keen on the oversized hands. I assume the leader will be the next goal.

Spoiler:

At least these are early goals but they just seem to be missing the mark

**Gallahad**

Dang, I hope they can put up some truly cool stuff to get lots of people to send them money.

I desperately need them to keep producing ASOIAF.

War Mammoths and the Iron Islands!

**xevv**

Not sure how I feel about the way they are releasing SG's but I guess in the end it will probably end up being the same, it's not like they didn't shift the numbers the old way to give you the same amount they always intended to from the start.

Not a fan of how few models are in the expansion but the base+expansion did come out about 25$ cheaper than I expected so I'm ok with that.

The models do look better to me with the paintjobs/unpainted there as well. The first couple SG's aren't the best things I've seen (naga are cool but look low on the detail)

I'll either be all in or not at all depending on how the next couple weeks go but so far I'm feeling optimistic.

**Hulksmash**

150k per stretch goal is....a lot.

**Tim the Biovore**

I feel a bit vindicated that the unpainted models do look closer to what I expected, so that's nice. Shaman definitely the weakest link overall, but unless I've missed something, there's a good chance we'll unlock alternative heroes anyway.

Buer is.....well, spot on for Buer. The Naga feel more disappointing because unlike a lion's head with five goat legs, snakepeople can actually look good.

Wonder how many more of the Seventy-Two Demons will make an appearance?

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Oh well a couple of misses there,

Buer is to close to a random bitsbox conversion from a kid (lets stick a couple of random legs on it)

and the Naga are OK, but those hands, sheesh, far too big

**highlord tamburlaine**

Buers have always been a thing. I'm alright with it.

Agree with the Naga hands. Way too large.

My prediction is we'll see stuff get added in to the expansion box before the campaign ends. They've done that plenty of times before with Zombicides- Invader and Black Plague for sure.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

Now the Naga leaders hands are ok, large but not comedy foam hands from a sportsball game

**Alpharius**

I've come back around to actually liking this one again...

As for it being successful, well, it is already up to $800K a short couple of hours after launching!

I shouldn't be giving CMON money after they screwed up Dark Age and Wrath of Kings but...here we are!

**Psychopomp**

Holy crap, those naga hands. Will they do a stretch goal for alt sculpts to fix the stretch goal minis?

**DaveC**

Day 1 unlock is the Necromancer class good to see more class types

**xevv**

That's good, I was hoping for more classes. I assume the upgrade pack will sort the old stuff out past more than the original 6 then since I was thinking about it and a couple of them don't fit those too well.

Oh and in case anyone was curious like me, the last time around it was the 45th SG until they started costing 150k to unlock the next one.

edit- and it appears we have already upped that to 200k a tier :/

**Tim the Biovore**

New Berserker hero already revealed, much better than the core box sculpt. Didn't mind that one too much, but as I said earlier, this bodes well for the Shaman class if we aren't going to be stuck with the core version .

**Samko**

The snakemen looks bad. They are sculpted by Juan Navarro. Not the first time I see this.

I went back to check trudvang again (last CMON KS I backed) and it was also him who sculpted all the bad minis with potato face.

I wonder if he his over-burdened by cmon and so tend to drop the ball on some sculpts, as other minis credited to him looked good, but he really has an inconsistent quality and was the only sculptor for trudvand whose minis looked really bad/unfinished.

**ced1106**

Models are looking useful for Gloomhaven, so I'm up to a whopping $1.

The SG goals are farther apart because of the SG's included in the daily reveals.

Zombicide 2nd edition also used daily reveals, so I wouldn't yet say that daily reveals are a sign of campaign troubles.

Spoiler:

**Zethnar**

xevv wrote:
That's good, I was hoping for more classes. I assume the upgrade pack will sort the old stuff out past more than the original 6 then since I was thinking about it and a couple of them don't fit those too well.

Oh and in case anyone was curious like me, the last time around it was the 45th SG until they started costing 150k to unlock the next one.

edit- and it appears we have already upped that to 200k a tier :/

I'm sure it will come back down once funding starts to peter out when we hit the mid-campaign lul.

**Sarouan**

I appreciate that there is a french version available in the Kickstarter, it sures helps to attract french backers as well.

I guess I'll watch a bit longer and see how many Kickstarter Exclusives we unlock before I pledge. So far, what I've seen is not really mindblowing - I can live with buying a "normal box" at retail, I'll avoid the risks that way.

TBH, I'm not sure if it's wise for me to pledge a CMON Kickstarter right now. What will happen in one year, after all ?

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I hope this is successful enough to fund the rest of Ankh’s fulfillment ...and I guess keep CMON afloat long enough to kickstart some funds to finish this one off. That would be nice.

They're really at this point ?

**ced1106**

We don't have any info, either way. And any issues an audit reveals for a public company, wouldn't be visible with a private one -- any most KS are done by private companies. CMON's situation is not ideal, but it's still better than some private companies you and I may have backed.

Still, most CMON base games at retail are half of the price of a pledge plus shipping (in the USA). I'm picking up Z2 and NOTLD retail.

**BobtheInquisitor**

@Sarouan, I sure hope not. Just using a bit of humor to ease some tension.

**Alpharius**

BobtheInquisitor wrote:
@Sarouan, I sure hope not. Just using a bit of humor to ease some tension.

"Jokes" like that probably aren't easing tensions, regardless of how true they may, or may not, be!

**frankelee**

I'm a little surprised at how well this campaign is doing. Coming off a not particularly well received MD 1, with miniatures that certainly aren't widely praised, they are nonetheless crushing it.

I wonder if paradoxically the global pandemic is helping KS campaigns this year, it's doubly important to have something to feel excited about, getting to join in on a game campaign that makes you feel good.