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Western Zombicide - Zombicide: Undead or Alive

KS February 17th at 3PM EST

Honestly I'm surprised it took them this long to do this theming.

Hellooooooo extra Shadows of Brimstone content!

That’s an easy pass.

I'll be happy to get what should be 40+ unique Western hero sculpts.

Hoping there will be a splash of fantasy or steampunk or sci-fi mixed in, a.k.a. Wild West Exodus.

I love westerns, but I don't love zombies and I wasn't thrilled with the quality of Zombicide Invader, so I'll tell myself I'll pass on this, put in a dollar, and end up pledging the day before the pledge manager closes.

I look forward to picking up some western-themed enemy boxes from Miniature Market on Black Friday 2024.

Hmm might be some cool figures indeed

 Gallahad wrote:
I love westerns, but I don't love zombies and I wasn't thrilled with the quality of Zombicide Invader, so I'll tell myself I'll pass on this, put in a dollar, and end up pledging the day before the pledge manager closes.

Art direction or sculpt quality? As I thought the sculpts and final product were very good but a lot of meh concept art.

 Monkeysloth wrote:

 Gallahad wrote:
I love westerns, but I don't love zombies and I wasn't thrilled with the quality of Zombicide Invader, so I'll tell myself I'll pass on this, put in a dollar, and end up pledging the day before the pledge manager closes.

Art direction or sculpt quality? As I thought the sculpts and final product were very good but a lot of meh concept art.

Sculpt quality. I actually love the art direction of the basic workers, hunters and tanks. They are already doing double duty as Deep Ones, etc.

The heroes in my box all had very shallow detail and tiny tiny heads.

When I compare them side by side to the heroes from Project Elite or Death May Die the difference is very noticeable.

I will keep an eye on this...my group is NOT a fan of the Zombicide game system (pity...I quite like it) but the miniatures end up in all sorts of places for us.

And this could add a welcome mix to our WWX campaign.

Sigh the only zombicide then did not do in the "proper" style is the sci fi one I was so hyped about been in this style....

This makes sci fi one even more a disappointment.

They got me at cholera.

I'm a big fan of Savage Worlds: Deadlands, so western figures are always welcome. I'm sure the SG's will have plenty of celebrity cowboys. I hope there will be terrain, but doubt it. I had the original Shadows of Brimstone figures, but they were awful and I traded the game away.

I also skipped Zombicide: Invader, but picked up the Z:Iark for 1/2 off during the holidays. Yeehah!

There better be a legends of Kung Fu cross over set Grasshopper

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Sigh the only zombicide then did not do in the "proper" style is the sci fi one I was so hyped about been in this style....

This makes sci fi one even more a disappointment.

I'm pretty much in the camp that they went with a more 40k style design for that to attempt to draw players from that market to the campaign and it really didn't work.

I agree with this assessment.

For me, I liked the sculpts, models and general quality of the Scif-Fi Zombicide theme, I bought the lot through the KS. What let it down for me was the gameplay / mission content, which I felt the equipment cards played a large part of.

They missed some real genius here. The Prototype weapons are "meh". Where was the Doom 'BFG'? Or the 'Zorg ZS-1' (5th Element)? Even the basic cards lacked variety even on the artwork. This lead to all the missions pretty much being the same. Get an objective, the same objective as the last mission, get to the exit. If you happen to pass a Prototype weapon, pick that up as well (it's the same as the standard one, just needs batteries).

The Mold was a good idea, but executed badly. Now you ended up with a board full of card that covered all the nice artwork of the board and generally got in the way of gameplay. There should have been at least two boards that were just either the exterior or cave interior. Then you could have done missions were you need to run from one building to another, with all the issues of being in those environments bring. I've ssen online on BGG a new pack of equipment cards, if they were sold as a finished set I'd buy them.

I've backed Zombicide Season 2, and this seems better. There's variety with the optional rules for the unique Zombie sculpts, and the day/night rules seem a good addition. I hope the game cards bring a level of variety.

For the Western theme, I'll see if the rules / missions bring any variety. The sculpts I'm sure will be top notch. I'll be looking at the variety of cards, missions, and it'll be a combination of those if I back it.

Still never done a Zombicide.
I don’t need any more board games really, don’t have the space, but always think maybe I should get one.
I do like western models, not that I have a use fore them or own any.

What is the model quality like for Zombicide in general?
And size wise, how do they look compared to other game systems?

Danny76 wrote:

What is the model quality like for Zombicide in general?
And size wise, how do they look compared to other game systems?

I only have Green Horde, in Kickstarter form, and I'm very happy with it.

I mostly picked it up for the add-on minis -- the prospect of a zombie giant and zombie dragon was irresistible to me.

But I've played the core game a few times, and really enjoyed it, especially as a family game.

> I don’t need any more board games really, don’t have the space, but always think maybe I should get one.

How's holiday shopping for boardgames in the UK? Miniature Market has some sort of arrangement with CMON for excess stock or something, and has deep discounts of some CMON game every few months. HATE was their most recent one. Picked up three CMON boardgames at 1/2 of KS plus shipping (no SG's).

 Ian Sturrock wrote:

Danny76 wrote:

What is the model quality like for Zombicide in general?
And size wise, how do they look compared to other game systems?

I only have Green Horde, in Kickstarter form, and I'm very happy with it.

I mostly picked it up for the add-on minis -- the prospect of a zombie giant and zombie dragon was irresistible to me.

But I've played the core game a few times, and really enjoyed it, especially as a family game.

CMoN makes some of the most consistent PVC/Boardgame plastic out there and even the models that disappoint in this area are usually better then most other. Green Horde, as mentioned above, Rising Sun, most Zombiecide in general are very crisp, for the material, figures.

The game plays ok. It's not one of my top 10 boardgame system but it plays very well and generally fast (30-45min once you learn the rules) so I'd say it straddles simple D&D light boardgame with party game as people can pick up the rules pretty quickly. The downside to where I slot it is the game takes a bit of effort to set up so it can't really ever be closer to a true merger of those two types of games.

But with most of these Kickstarted games I have a policy that I have to have a use for the miniatures elsewhere so they just don't sit in a box and get used maybe once a year. So other tabletop games (converted some zombicide stuff to Fallout last month for example) or for RPGs.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:

Danny76 wrote:

What is the model quality like for Zombicide in general?
And size wise, how do they look compared to other game systems?

I only have Green Horde, in Kickstarter form, and I'm very happy with it.

I mostly picked it up for the add-on minis -- the prospect of a zombie giant and zombie dragon was irresistible to me.

But I've played the core game a few times, and really enjoyed it, especially as a family game.

Same - Very happy with the models - especailly the big ones and the celebs

CMON's model quality generally is significantly higher than Reaper Bones, Monolith/Mythic, and any other PVC makers I've seen. I'd say that the Blood Rage minis are about my fave of the CMON PVCs but the Zombicide ones are very decent too.

The newer bones black are really nice, don't have bones USA which is also a new material, so certain Reaper lines are as good of quality as CMoN.

I've also got two Monolith games (Conan and mythic battles) and I'd say those two games are as good as the average CMoN stuff (for the most part) but not as good as some things CMoN puts out like ASoIF and Rising Sun which I think are their best.

Nuns with Guns

Nuns with guns?
Maybe not so easy of a pass as I initially thought.

 Monkeysloth wrote:
The newer bones black are really nice, don't have bones USA which is also a new material, so certain Reaper lines are as good of quality as CMoN.

I've also got two Monolith games (Conan and mythic battles) and I'd say those two games are as good as the average CMoN stuff (for the most part) but not as good as some things CMoN puts out like ASoIF and Rising Sun which I think are their best.

Bones Black -- yeah, fair! I don't own the newer Bones stuff yet.

Hmm, I felt the Conan minis were a mixed bag -- some of the bigger ones were pretty decent, the snake especially, but the facial features on the human-sized ones seemed much more akin to old-style Bones melty-face nonsense than the sharpness I expect of CMON.

Urgh. This is getting harder and harder to resist the more I think about the characters that are sure to be in the game.

Can I really resist a game with a miniature of the Man with No Name?
Or Lee Van Cleef?

I don't know if I can. I think I'm doomed to just keep buying CMON games between Kickstarter and ASOIAF, they just keep on giving me what I want.

I've had a ton of fun playing Zombicide Invader with the family, even with so-so hero minis.

Death May Die is fun for game night with other couples.

Project Elite is always an adrenaline rush.

And ASOIAF always has such a rewarding gameplay experience, with every choice feeling impactful. Not to mention the well sculpted low fantasy minis that find their way into nearly every roleplay/skirmish game I play.

What can I say? They aren't perfect, but they deliver what I want.

 Ian Sturrock wrote:

 Monkeysloth wrote:
The newer bones black are really nice, don't have bones USA which is also a new material, so certain Reaper lines are as good of quality as CMoN.

I've also got two Monolith games (Conan and mythic battles) and I'd say those two games are as good as the average CMoN stuff (for the most part) but not as good as some things CMoN puts out like ASoIF and Rising Sun which I think are their best.

Bones Black -- yeah, fair! I don't own the newer Bones stuff yet.

Hmm, I felt the Conan minis were a mixed bag -- some of the bigger ones were pretty decent, the snake especially, but the facial features on the human-sized ones seemed much more akin to old-style Bones melty-face nonsense than the sharpness I expect of CMON.

I've painted a decent amount of the Conan stuff and the ones that look melty face are more the material doesn't reflect light very well. There are a few that have very soft detail that are from the white plastic that looks bad in general but the majority of the game has pretty good detail.

> they just keep on giving me what I want.

Sounds good! Next question is if you want to pick up ZorA via KS or retail. With retail, you *might* get the base game at 1/2 the price you paid for the KS plus shipping. Myself, if the SG's for the KS are must-have, then I'll back it. Otherwise, I'm on the fence so will wait for retail.

CMON Mini's are great, but, realistically, I won't have time to paint them. Our group prefers Gloomhaven, and I have resin figures from Tiny Furniture which I prefer to paint. Less prep, fewer eyeballs.