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Ive played against one in a team tournament - it did not do well

Audustum wrote:
Sorry to just jump in with a tangent, but I've been looking at them and has anybody tried out a Knight Asterius? How'd it'd do in your match-ups?

You buy an Asterius as a centrepiece for a whole house hold more than as a gaming piece to be honest, the same it true to a lesser extent with all FW products but the big knights haven't been viable since GW took over there rules.

The styrix and lancer were usefull till they nerfed them when they updated the rules

One castigator and the moiraxs are usefull now

U02dah4 wrote:
The styrix and lancer were usefull till they nerfed them when they updated the rules

One castigator and the moiraxs are usefull now

Yeah both my Styrix and Lancer and Atropose are awaiting the new Books with small hope they might see the table again.

But the big boys are more modeling center pieces that you buy to complete an army over just straight up as your only knight.

Sad to hear that. Thanks, everyone!

If its any consolation we know points are being rebalanced in 2 weeks and fw rules are being seperatly updatedso so theres two opportunities for changes

Also while points are still depending, first smaller test games of 9th with 8th edition point's.

Armiger spam certainly works.
Helverins being able to shoot the entirety of the bored makes them not a bad backfield unit.
Moriax still solid and make a good midfield unit more punchy but with less range than a helverin. (Want to try claw and lightning lock as a loadout.)

Warglaives did me proud enough punch for anti tank and CC ability too.

I suspect 1 or 2 big boys will help out a lot at higher points but will be focused on dealing with bigger threats. Preceptor and crusader feel the most likely currently.

Custom households defo feel the way to go, Mechanicus with glorified history works well, that reroll didn't make as much difference as I would have liked but it can do work.
Was thinking the additional range trait but frankly with movement that Armiger have and the smaller bored, I rarely felt that range will ever be an issue, damage output improvement I think will be my focus.

Im still of two minds custom seems to be the way for an assault list and maybe one with more of a second faction

But

Taranis survivability is still a huge boost on more knight heavy lists especially when going second

Striking Scorpion 82 has put out points values for just about all the imperium stuff, Knights included.

Biggest change I saw was the Castellan going back down to around 620 unless I'm mathing wrong. Most of the basic knights seem to be more or less the same, though (in a separate forge world video) the forge world knights seem to sit around 460 each, give or take.

This spreadsheet doing the rounds is a fake leak.

They have the warden going down 50 points and the crusader getting a minimal bump of 27.

Will wait a few days for it to settle

bmsattler wrote:
Striking Scorpion 82 has put out points values for just about all the imperium stuff, Knights included.

Biggest change I saw was the Castellan going back down to around 620 unless I'm mathing wrong. Most of the basic knights seem to be more or less the same, though (in a separate forge world video) the forge world knights seem to sit around 460 each, give or take.

The castellen depends on if GW ment the weapons to be free or not as the Choas one is 730

Atropose +39
Styrix +25
Lancer +40
Castigator +30

Crusader with Termal +23
Crusader with RFBC +27
Gallant +28
Errant -3
Palladin +1
Preceptror +20
Warden +24

Helverin +18
Moirax +10
Warglaive +8

The stubber going to 5 points is a big contribution to a lot of the changes.

we're talking about different things then. Warden should be at 430. He doesn't show the book due to restrictions, but he's reading out of the field manual.

my maths was off

yes 430 for the warden. Castellan now 635?




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Valiant 625?

Did any of the moirax weapons change?

That looks like a nice buff when 100ish point models like dunecrawlers are going up 26pts and disintegrators 39

Im also glad the castigator is still good

wouldnt the gallant be +28 pts now (3 for the stubber and 25 for the base)

 Ideasweasel wrote:


wouldnt the gallant be +28 pts now (3 for the stubber and 25 for the base)

Yes I forgot to take off the Ironstorm from my 8th edition points


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U02dah4 wrote:
Did any of the moirax weapons change?

That looks like a nice buff when 100ish point models like dunecrawlers are going up 26pts and disintegrators 39

Im also glad the castigator is still good

Trying to catch them off the video ia challanging but they have either stayed the same or maybe got less as it's not the easiest to follow.

My initial thoughts

Crossing *everything* the free weapons stuff stays. Crusader and Castellans looking good. One got less of a nerf than I thought and one actually got a buff

Maybe the sky isn’t falling

 Ideasweasel wrote:
My initial thoughts

Crossing *everything* the free weapons stuff stays. Crusader and Castellans looking good. One got less of a nerf than I thought and one actually got a buff

Maybe the sky isn’t falling

I think your going to see that FAQ'd to be 730 asap.

That would just mean it never gets a game

Maybe they have sold enough of them


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And if it does I’ll just take 3 crusaders and trim my list down a wee bit


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But If all the free weapons stuff gets changed it will shaft the army cause then crusaders and wardens become waaay overpriced 25%+ points hikes

So maybe the chaos stuff is the error?

 Ideasweasel wrote:
That would just mean it never gets a game

Maybe they have sold enough of them


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And if it does I’ll just take 3 crusaders and trim my list down a wee bit


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But If all the free weapons stuff gets changed it will shaft the army cause then crusaders and wardens become waaay overpriced 25%+ points hikes

So maybe the chaos stuff is the error?

The choas dominous class Knights can't weapon swap so their points matchih makes in GW land sence.

The Choas questorus class can do crazy things w
Like double thermal, double avenger hence why they have points for 1 and points for 2 and points for a single chassis.

Crusader and warden points won't change its purely the castellen thats wrong its currently less than a valient which is the true give away GW made a typo.

Is it less than a valiant?

I make a valiant 625 and a Castellan 635?

U02dah4 wrote:
Im still of two minds custom seems to be the way for an assault list and maybe one with more of a second faction

But

Taranis survivability is still a huge boost on more knight heavy lists especially when going second

This is something we certainly agree on.

 Ideasweasel wrote:
Is it less than a valiant?

I make a valiant 625 and a Castellan 635?

Think you have forgotten the points for the Valients weapons.


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 Kommissar Kel wrote:

U02dah4 wrote:
Im still of two minds custom seems to be the way for an assault list and maybe one with more of a second faction

But

Taranis survivability is still a huge boost on more knight heavy lists especially when going second

This is something we certainly agree on.

Maybe it's just my terrible rolling but I never found the 6+ made as much of a difference on the tabletop as people say it should.
Additionally you can't take it against any MW's there is plenty in the game these days

It’s handy if you take 3-4 of them. You notice it over a game


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Ice I really hope the Castellan discount stays.

I tried mine out again for a laugh and he wiped two repulsor executioners in a turn. I’ve never rolled so hot

Well no fall back and shoot, looks like taking blast weapons just got very risky.

But finally no more move blocking unless its a vehical or monster though, mmh galant spam ahoy.

Ice_can wrote:
Well no fall back and shoot, looks like taking blast weapons just got very risky.

But finally no more move blocking unless its a vehical or monster though, mmh galant spam ahoy.

I heard in the N&R thread that ALL Titanic units can Fall Back and Shoot, so that's why that text got removed.

 JNAProductions wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Well no fall back and shoot, looks like taking blast weapons just got very risky.

But finally no more move blocking unless its a vehical or monster though, mmh galant spam ahoy.

I heard in the N&R thread that ALL Titanic units can Fall Back and Shoot, so that's why that text got removed.

Ahh so they do it's in one sentence with psyhic powers for some unknown reason, which my brain blanked on.

 JNAProductions wrote:

Ice_can wrote:
Well no fall back and shoot, looks like taking blast weapons just got very risky.

But finally no more move blocking unless its a vehical or monster though, mmh galant spam ahoy.

I heard in the N&R thread that ALL Titanic units can Fall Back and Shoot, so that's why that text got removed.

Yeah, it is in the Fall Back rules in the base rulebook.

Oh, that does make a difference then. I was going to say every Knight but the Warden got gimped.

Still, I think my Knight build of choice now is the Warden with Ion Bulwark and the Paragon Gauntlet at 405 points, with maybe the 15 point Ironstorm for good measure. Belligerent Machine Spirit now has an obvious place: ignore the hit modifier in close combat and shred the hell out of them. The fact that it also has a Heavy Flamer means nobody is going to charge into this thing. The Relic gaunlet jumps its anti-tank melee damage from 10 to 18, which is the difference between killing most vehicles in one round which I think is a good investment.

Ice_can wrote:

 Ideasweasel wrote:
My initial thoughts

Crossing *everything* the free weapons stuff stays. Crusader and Castellans looking good. One got less of a nerf than I thought and one actually got a buff

Maybe the sky isn’t falling

I think your going to see that FAQ'd to be 730 asap.

That’s likely but maybe chaos gets faqd Down instead of imperial up