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 Mr Morden wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Yeah I still don't know how to feel about this show. I can't tell if the trailers are crammed with action shots and dual-wielding phaser rifles because they're trailers and executives think those have to be action-packed to keep anyone's attention for more than five seconds, or if that's representative of the show and they've just entirely missed the point of why people liked TNG.

First Contact was action packed and I really enjoyed it - but I am more of a DS9 fan so i did not enjoy Insurrection.

Hoping Seven is still quite happy to speak her mind

Action packed Trek is fine as part of the recipe, as the odd film or two-parter, but it's not what I want out of a Trek series. Which is why I don't know how to feel about the trailers; if they're just a smash-cut of all the actiony parts of the series but the rest is more focused on science & philosophy & ethics? Cool. But if they're actually representative of the overall tone of the show then it's just one more nail in the coffin for me.

 Yodhrin wrote:
Yeah I still don't know how to feel about this show. I can't tell if the trailers are crammed with action shots and dual-wielding phaser rifles because they're trailers and executives think those have to be action-packed to keep anyone's attention for more than five seconds, or if that's representative of the show and they've just entirely missed the point of why people liked TNG.

It's nuTrek post 2009. No reason it has to be an either or situation.

Data looks weird as middle aged guy(problem with aging actors for charater that shouldn't really age). And boy riker looks older than picard! But good to know he shows up

One of the YouTube commenters on the trailer had a great point; forget Picard, can we just have the Seven of Nine as the Federation’s A-Team style fixer as a stand-alone series please!

Also, looks like they’re going down the “android slave race” theme?

This is looking suspiciously like yet another "gak on the Federation" series.

Immigration allegory is apparently a major theme, which pretty much requires the "country" people are coming to to be a bunch of gits. Both Picard and Seven apparently feel the need to go outside Starfleet and operate as Super Dope Dual Wielding Ninjas etc.

Given STD Season 3 will apparently have the Federation in a state of total collapse so Kurtzman's Best Girl can save the whole entire galaxy this time, I can see them "laying the groundwork" for that future by pushing a Last Days of Rome angle where the utopian future society that's solved pretty much all the social, political, and medical ills that plague humanity develops a terminal case of Stupid Antagonist for no reason whatsoever.

Also yeah, apparently Measure of a Man and Author Author never happened. Ugh.

The more I see of these trailers the more worried I get

I was initially excited for this but I feel like it may be quite unpleasant. A bit of a nostalgia trip seeing these people back in their roles. But that's about it, star trek has become something else now. You gotta watch the orville for anything resembling the feeling star trek once had.

 Yodhrin wrote:
This is looking suspiciously like yet another "gak on the Federation" series.

Immigration allegory is apparently a major theme, which pretty much requires the "country" people are coming to to be a bunch of gits. Both Picard and Seven apparently feel the need to go outside Starfleet and operate as Super Dope Dual Wielding Ninjas etc.

Given STD Season 3 will apparently have the Federation in a state of total collapse so Kurtzman's Best Girl can save the whole entire galaxy this time, I can see them "laying the groundwork" for that future by pushing a Last Days of Rome angle where the utopian future society that's solved pretty much all the social, political, and medical ills that plague humanity develops a terminal case of Stupid Antagonist for no reason whatsoever.

Also yeah, apparently Measure of a Man and Author Author never happened. Ugh.

Good point about the unfortunate interconnection between the two with Picard laying the groundwork for STD3. And, yeah, the hamfisted modern political allegory insertion is pretty obvious yet again (although with Romulans and the Federation standing in for he who shall not be named instead of the Klingons and the Federation). As for Seven dual wielding, it didn't make me optimistic either and she was a surprise high point (pretty much the only one) of the first trailer for me. Maybe it's best to think of this instead as a sequel to the Elite Force video games instead of Berman era trek shows?

If there’s one thing I can’t stand, it political allegories or social commentaries in my Star Trek.

 AduroT wrote:
If there’s one thing I can’t stand, it political allegories or social commentaries in my Star Trek.

I disagree. In past trek, complex and nuanced issues were dealt with in a way that at least tried to examine both sides of the coin whilst still most of the time (but not always!) still coming to a conclusion regarding what was considered morally the correct choice for the ideals of the Federation. In modern trek/hollywood, it's a not a scapel to dissect the arguement carefully but a sledgehammer to smash it and everything nearby in pieces both front of and behind the camera by the characters and actors respectively. From your post, I suspect that key difference is lost on you. Plus, many people who actually agree with lots of the sentiments expressed like me are sick and tired of having them inserted constantly as opposed to sparingly like in years past into every show. It's the rule nowadays instead of the exception in all shows and not just trek (which used to be unique in that regard) and that overexposure in what is supposed to be escapist entertainment plays into it as well.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I suspect head shots are a lot less exciting with the stun setting.

You did see that TNG episode when there were the parasite aliens in the neck and Riker and Picard shot a guy and his head was stripped and exploded and another alien creature was within his corpse?

TarkinLarson wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I suspect head shots are a lot less exciting with the stun setting.

You did see that TNG episode when there were the parasite aliens in the neck and Riker and Picard shot a guy and his head was stripped and exploded and another alien creature was within his corpse?

That was a weird one both visually and thematically as I don't understand to this day why they included it. I mean it was during the first season and they were just trying to find their footing and still ironing out how TNG would continue on the heels of the original series show and movies but it still feels off to me to this day. It's like they were trying to be edgy by showing some gore as well as show off some special effects (that to me looks quite dodgy anyways) to justfiy their status as the most expensive (at the time) syndicated show to date. I don't recall them ever trying something remotely like that again until maybe Nog's combat amputation (although I don't recall the exact details of that scene so I could be remembering the emotion rather than actual gore). Typically it was just much less detailed disintegration like with the woman who helped Data escape from the evil collector guy who kidnapped him. Am I forgetting or blocking out other gory things in TNG?

TarkinLarson wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I suspect head shots are a lot less exciting with the stun setting.

You did see that TNG episode when there were the parasite aliens in the neck and Riker and Picard shot a guy and his head was stripped and exploded and another alien creature was within his corpse?

I don't think that was on stun though was it? It wasn't often on network tv you got to see a head explode semi-graphically.

Yeah to be fair I don't think it was. Stun didn't seem to have any effect on those parasite people.

The episode was indeed a little odd and they never resolved the storyline. There was a transmission that went off into space. Perhaps it'll come and haunt Picard in the future? They do tackle it in Star Trek Online, which is roughly seen as canon in a lot of places (ie: the destruction of Romulus etc).

It was a rarity in gore too... but also it was edited in the BBC when it first aired. Even I couldn't remember it on the reruns on Sky in the UK. I watched it on the Bluray and was like "what the hell just happened... I don't remember this"

TarkinLarson wrote:
Yeah to be fair I don't think it was. Stun didn't seem to have any effect on those parasite people.

The episode was indeed a little odd and they never resolved the storyline. There was a transmission that went off into space. Perhaps it'll come and haunt Picard in the future? They do tackle it in Star Trek Online, which is roughly seen as canon in a lot of places (ie: the destruction of Romulus etc).

It was a rarity in gore too... but also it was edited in the BBC when it first aired. Even I couldn't remember it on the reruns on Sky in the UK. I watched it on the Bluray and was like "what the hell just happened... I don't remember this"

Those Parasites where meant to be younger Borg. They where meant to be bug creatures, but those where deemed too expensive to be recurring villains, so they instead made the Borg robots that they could make from things around the kitchen.

TarkinLarson wrote:

The episode was indeed a little odd and they never resolved the storyline. There was a transmission that went off into space. Perhaps it'll come and haunt Picard in the future? They do tackle it in Star Trek Online, which is roughly seen as canon in a lot of places (ie: the destruction of Romulus etc).

It was originally meant to tie into the eventual introduction of the Borg, with the bluegills being forerunners for the primary Borg invasion. They scrapped that storyline and let the Borg stand alone thanks to Qs big brain.

In all honesty I'd be elated if they revisited that storyline. It was kind of left unresolved.

 warboss wrote:

TarkinLarson wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I suspect head shots are a lot less exciting with the stun setting.

You did see that TNG episode when there were the parasite aliens in the neck and Riker and Picard shot a guy and his head was stripped and exploded and another alien creature was within his corpse?

That was a weird one both visually and thematically as I don't understand to this day why they included it. I mean it was during the first season and they were just trying to find their footing and still ironing out how TNG would continue on the heels of the original series show and movies but it still feels off to me to this day. It's like they were trying to be edgy by showing some gore as well as show off some special effects (that to me looks quite dodgy anyways) to justfiy their status as the most expensive (at the time) syndicated show to date. I don't recall them ever trying something remotely like that again until maybe Nog's combat amputation (although I don't recall the exact details of that scene so I could be remembering the emotion rather than actual gore). Typically it was just much less detailed disintegration like with the woman who helped Data escape from the evil collector guy who kidnapped him. Am I forgetting or blocking out other gory things in TNG?

Trivia tidbit: that was going to be the first view of the Borg threat.

Michael and Denise Okuda elaborated in their Star Trek Chronology (rev. 1996, p. 290): "At the time the episode was written, this was apparently intended to lead to the introduction of the Borg in Star Trek: The Next Generation's second season. The Borg connection was dropped before 'Q Who?' (TNG) was written, and the truth about the parasites remains a mystery."

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Conspiracy_(episode)

EDIT: Ninja'd!!!

Interestingly, the species that would become The Borg, writing wise, we’re just a Hive Mind.

But I’d like to see it followed up all the same.

 AduroT wrote:
If there’s one thing I can’t stand, it political allegories or social commentaries in my Star Trek.

Just to be 100% clear - I have zero issue with political allegories in Trek. I have a problem with this specific allegory given what must necessarily happen in order for it to have the required conflict to drive the sort of show Picard is shaping up to be.

If they want to do a Star Trek series where the refugees from the Hobus Disaster roll up at the gates of the Federation and are welcomed with open arms in a season-long demonstration of how an advanced culture should behave when confronted with a humanitarian tragedy - especially when said advanced culture has ubiquitous fusion and antimatter energy generation and widespread matter-energy conversion technology, meaning they have functionally unlimited resources in 99.99999% of cases and could absorb the decimated populace of the Romulan Empire without breaking a sweat in terms of resources - fantastic, get crackin'. But that isn't how they'll do it, is it. They'll portray the Federation as, at best, hesitant and at worst outright hostile to the refugees, because the Federation are the government of the society people are arriving in, and so it will have to serve as a surrogate for certain IRL nation states and their current attitudes towards immigration and refugees. Picard & Seven can then be contrasted against the not-utopian-now-for-some-reason Federation government as warriors for truth and justice and compassion and all that good stuff.

Yes, the Feds terraform planets. If ten billion Romulan refugees appeared they could integrate them into the Fed without much issue. It would be easier than East / West Germany and adds Romulan expertise. Based on what we've seen of the Romulans their tech is pretty advanced and would be a definite benefit to the Feds.

After that, who do the Klingons pick on?

 Frazzled wrote:
Yes, the Feds terraform planets. If ten billion Romulan refugees appeared they could integrate them into the Fed without much issue. It would be easier than East / West Germany and adds Romulan expertise. Based on what we've seen of the Romulans their tech is pretty advanced and would be a definite benefit to the Feds.

After that, who do the Klingons pick on?

It really depends on how much of Star Trek Online is used. It's a right mess with transwarp conduits, the delta quadrants, the lizard aliens that used to be dinosaurs but left Earth before the asteroid hit, the dyson sphere builders and iconians. If non of STO is used, then it's free reign, but a lot of the issues are tackled.

In any sense with the Klingons they pick on the federation and ally/annex the gorn, orions, nausicans etc, but it's all just a species 8472(?) infiltration causing trouble.

TarkinLarson wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:
Yes, the Feds terraform planets. If ten billion Romulan refugees appeared they could integrate them into the Fed without much issue. It would be easier than East / West Germany and adds Romulan expertise. Based on what we've seen of the Romulans their tech is pretty advanced and would be a definite benefit to the Feds.

After that, who do the Klingons pick on?

It really depends on how much of Star Trek Online is used. It's a right mess with transwarp conduits, the delta quadrants, the lizard aliens that used to be dinosaurs but left Earth before the asteroid hit, the dyson sphere builders and iconians. If non of STO is used, then it's free reign, but a lot of the issues are tackled.

In any sense with the Klingons they pick on the federation and ally/annex the gorn, orions, nausicans etc, but it's all just a species 8472(?) infiltration causing trouble.

You know, I recognize most all of that from various episodes of the series, but it’s still crazy to see it all listed like that.

Thanks to all those who informed me as to the proto-borg origins of the slug brain control monsters from season one; I wasn't aware of that! I suppose they could have worked them in as some sort of a vanguard infiltrator force ahead of the borg like genestealer cults are now or zoats were in 40k but I think they're better left as separate threats to the federation.

"You just don't get it, do you, Jean-Luc? The trial never ends. We wanted to see if you had the ability to expand your mind and your horizons. And for one brief moment, you did."

I see no Q, this displeases me

In the novels, the Klingons have a real hate tryst going with the Kinshaya, who would be space nobodies except for their usefulness to the Typhon Pact powers. The Breen keep putting them up to crap that ends up getting their faces stomped by angry Klingon boots, and everyone is happy.

Oh there is way more in it too... destruction of Romulus, Romulans messing with Borg technology, the Hirogen dealing with a photonic/hologram rebellion, time travel (lots of that), the cooperative (who were borg once but are now rebels), the war between borg and 8572 (who get a name.. the undine), the evil prophets who tinker with time and bring back all those jemhadar ships that were lost in the wormhole, surfing on risa, ... and I haven't even played the last few seasons. I have purposely left out things that are original to the game too and probably forgot most of it.

10 days to, ahem, launch.

And Patrick Stewart has confirmed a second season!

Seems foolish. I see a pretty good chance of it bombing hard and then Stewart having to eat those words.

Watching him struggle to work his way through a short youtube ad on refugees makes it hard to believe they can hang one, let alone two, seasons of a show on his head.

But.....it’s been commissioned?

And what makes you feel it could bomb?