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2020/12/26 02:50:52
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
Jeez... That was bad. Osyraa should be scary, but when nearby one of our protagonist won't shoot. Hopefully she have like the Admiral in her pocket (or Book) to explain why she knew everything that literally not even other in the Federation knew, but I don't have hope.
And yet another Space Jesus (or Space Devil's, who cares). How the feth they get that messianic arcs goes well with Trek I don't know (any time was a symptom of a bad episode).
My viewing time is around 25' in the last episodes, I skipped a lot of boring / unnecessary stuff.
Saru deserves some face time for it's effort, even if the hook was meaningless (to do not scare him... That's why instead of a familiar face of the same species we made you appear as an alien... At least the computer have the excuses of being fried by radiation: writers haven't).
The place is a Shrodinger danger: simultaneously lethal in a few hours and liveable for centuries. If that was the plan, why the Burn haven't happened few years ago? Setting would have made more sense, and the story too.
Tilly... Uhgh. Can't care less for her come back stronger next episode. Book is growing a little on me. But the real protagonists of the series are the inconsistencies you meet along the way.
Very, very bad. Like, eye-opening bad.
So, the utterly unbearable Burham was not the culprit, rather then a symptom of everything they aren't able of willing to improve.
Let's hope Picard improve because Discovery.... "It's dead Jim".
I can't condone a place where abusers and abused are threated the same: it's destined to doom, so there is no reason to participate in it.
2020/12/26 10:57:29
Subject: Re:Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
Tilly should have blown them away. So, you want my ship’s engine in intact working order? Well I don’t have those qualms about yours. Otherwise Tilly suddenly acting confident in command was way less annoying than babbling Tilly, and I give the actress props for that.
The future super teleporters are getting annoying. People just blinking in and out. Apparently thru Shields or did Tilly not bother to raise those?
Actually... why do they even still have a spore cube? Originally it was to keep the tartograde in, but that hasn’t been a thing for a long time. Those other two guys stood in there with him seemingly just fine.
Also why are you messing with explosive collars when you have mind control headbands?
I am amazingly disappointed the cause of the Burn was a person. He gestated in the womb near a bunch of dilithium while being bombarded by radiation, and magically mutated the power to explode all dilithium in the galaxy when he scream in terror, except apparently for the planet he’s sitting on. That dilithium was uneffected?
The holograms changing their appearance... How did that work? Saru comments on his heels touching the ground before he knows he’s changed. Did he feel it? Did the computer change his sensory feedback? Like, the mechanical structure of his legs changed but he never broke his stride or stumbled and just walked normally, albeit still doing the wavy arms thing. It was just... weird and kind of pointless.
2020/12/26 11:49:17
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
I find even more insulting that they aren't even trying anymore. Yes the planet is crooked/partially blown, but FFS you told us literal millions of ship exploded from few grams in their high contained Warp core.
ALSO, the Burn was so immediate that to triangulate it's location you needed super-super futuristic tech, but in this episode you have like all the warning sign, you see the phenomena expand and have a lot of time to try to contain or drop dilithium?
And "what the event that caused the Burn ahouly be?"... Ooohhh, mystery. Mommy died obviously. What a stroke of genius.
I think they really aren't even trying anymore. It's as generic and vanilla as the next sci-fi series. Shame on them. I'm sorry for cause I think the Kelpian deserved more as a species
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2020/12/27 03:12:28
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
AduroT wrote: Finished season six of DS9, on to the final!
Enjoy! You're tearing through it - I did the same the closer I got to the end. Season 6 is some of my favorite DS9, that first block of six episodes work as a great war movie; about the same length as A Bridge Too Far!
Season 7 has some really fun moments. Let me know what you think of
Spoiler:
Esri Dax, she has two episodes in the first half of the season as a main character that, although a bit out of place in the Dominion War storyline, I still enjoyed; I think she's a good character, unfortunately season seven is just a very bad time to introduce a new main cast member.
And done. I Had seen it before, long ago. Like I’d remembered bits and pieces and things would happen and I’d be like oh yeah, that. Vic showed up and I was like oh god, I remember Vic, he was so integral, how did he not show up till this late in the series? With Ezri. I knew she was a thing, and I just kept waiting for it to happen. Like there was the episode where Worf and Dax do the mission together and there were so many flags and I was sure it was about to happen and then it didn’t. I wish the series ended with Morn having the final word instead of Qwark.
2020/12/27 04:31:02
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
What we left Behind, the DS9 documentary is free with ads so watch that.
I talk about Star Trek alot, but in all honesty, i have only seen Ds9 all the way through, gave up on ENT halfway through s4. still having a hard time mmaking it through TNG.
seen every VOY ep, but i have never ever watched it front to back.
DS9 i think truly is the ancestor of serialized TV we have now. you see it in every thread
However, I do wish, ore shows would take somme cues from it, where it has somme overarching stories, but some standalone ones too.
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2020/12/27 05:24:51
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
DS9 i think truly is the ancestor of serialized TV we have now. you see it in every thread
Eh.
It was part of the move that direction, certainly, but not the ancestor.
There was a joke on Babylon Five about not being a 'deep space franchise.' As the story goes, JM Straczynski originally took his idea (for B5) to Paramount, in 1989, and the DS9 development announcement was two months after B5's announcement. But beyond executive meddling steering DS9 in imitation of his series bible and scripts, there wasn't anything they could really address in a lawsuit.
Meanwhile Seaquest was on at the same time, and running the 'episodic show' into the ground. Well. Sea floor. Or alien time travel trainwreck, as you prefer.
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2020/12/27 06:31:37
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
God, I remember Seaquest. "No suit, skin!" I dunno who's job it was to dub the dolphin, but they chose the creepiest voice possible.
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2020/12/27 06:34:38
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
hotsauceman1 wrote: What we left Behind, the DS9 documentary is free with ads so watch that.
I talk about Star Trek alot, but in all honesty, i have only seen Ds9 all the way through, gave up on ENT halfway through s4. still having a hard time mmaking it through TNG.
seen every VOY ep, but i have never ever watched it front to back.
DS9 i think truly is the ancestor of serialized TV we have now. you see it in every thread
However, I do wish, ore shows would take somme cues from it, where it has somme overarching stories, but some standalone ones too.
When I did a rewatch of TNG a few years back I started with like S4, then went forward, then went back for 3, 2 and I think I gave up halfway through 1. Those first two seasons were BAD. Watch the pilot, the S2 episode where they introduce the Borg and go on from there.
2020/12/27 08:23:45
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
SeaQuest DSV was the show with Roy Scheider, and later Michael Ironside.
and 3/5 of the Deluise brothers in it, too.
The ones that weren't on Stargate.
Automatically Appended Next Post: They sort of announced a filming start for Picard S2.
It was supposed to start in January - Evan Evagora was told to prep for that, but it's been pushed back to February 2021 instead.
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I'm OVER 50 (and so far over everyone's BS, too).
Old enough to know better, young enough to not give a ****.
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... and yet, with strange aeons, even death may die.
2020/12/27 18:41:15
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
hotsauceman1 wrote: What we left Behind, the DS9 documentary is free with ads so watch that.
I talk about Star Trek alot, but in all honesty, i have only seen Ds9 all the way through, gave up on ENT halfway through s4. still having a hard time mmaking it through TNG.
seen every VOY ep, but i have never ever watched it front to back.
DS9 i think truly is the ancestor of serialized TV we have now. you see it in every thread
However, I do wish, ore shows would take somme cues from it, where it has somme overarching stories, but some standalone ones too.
When I did a rewatch of TNG a few years back I started with like S4, then went forward, then went back for 3, 2 and I think I gave up halfway through 1. Those first two seasons were BAD. Watch the pilot, the S2 episode where they introduce the Borg and go on from there.
I watched like, 5 episode of S1, mostly to understand a few things later on. like Tasha Yar.
But like, i made it to s3, and its kinda hard.
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2020/12/27 20:04:27
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
hotsauceman1 wrote: What we left Behind, the DS9 documentary is free with ads so watch that.
I talk about Star Trek alot, but in all honesty, i have only seen Ds9 all the way through, gave up on ENT halfway through s4. still having a hard time mmaking it through TNG.
seen every VOY ep, but i have never ever watched it front to back.
DS9 i think truly is the ancestor of serialized TV we have now. you see it in every thread
However, I do wish, ore shows would take somme cues from it, where it has somme overarching stories, but some standalone ones too.
When I did a rewatch of TNG a few years back I started with like S4, then went forward, then went back for 3, 2 and I think I gave up halfway through 1. Those first two seasons were BAD. Watch the pilot, the S2 episode where they introduce the Borg and go on from there.
I watched like, 5 episode of S1, mostly to understand a few things later on. like Tasha Yar.
But like, i made it to s3, and its kinda hard.
The Beverly Crusher ancestral Scottish ghost possession episode isn't to be missed. Though that's actually season 7, despite the sheer awfulness. I honestly thought that was earlier, based solely on how horrid it was.
TNG is often shockingly horrible, and it doesn't really ever stop.
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2020/12/27 21:03:57
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
Kid_Kyoto wrote: Thankfully most of the truly horrid stuff can be skipped over since it was before the age of serials and soap opera plotting.
TNG was the start of the end for Startrek. There were some long term storylines that evolved through the series here and there. Characters did change and evolve and the setting did advance story wise here and there. Though yes it was very much still built on "alien of the week" formats.
IT amazing how much writer strikes effect our entertainment.
I remember hearing that the 2008 one is responsible for the glut of realoity TV we get right now.
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2020/12/28 22:59:02
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
Yeah, that was...not good. The whole situation with Tilly was also just majorly stupid - even more so than when Saaru first made her his first officer. He informs the head of Starfleet the ENSIGN Tilly will take command of the Federation's greatest strategic asset and he just shrugs and goes with it. Ranks exist for a reason people.
The stuff on the planet was predictable, well-trodden Trek at this point with a typical "holodeck goes wrong" scenario. I don't know why dealing with malfunctioning holodecks isn't part of standard Starfleet operating procedure by now.
Not 100% sure what they're getting at with the Kelpian causing the Burn but it certainly seems as though they're saying a scared child caused the death of billions and the collapse of civilisation by throwing a tantrum. As explanations go it's definitely unexpected.
2020/12/29 01:17:19
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
The stuff on the planet was predictable, well-trodden Trek at this point with a typical "holodeck goes wrong" scenario. I don't know why dealing with malfunctioning holodecks isn't part of standard Starfleet operating procedure by now.
To be honest after the EMH program from Voyager and DATA events of Picard, when then combined with the potential for problems with Holodecks, I'm surprised they aren't outlawed. One on a safety level and two on a level that they are basically making living programs that, when run for long periods, basically have all the properties of fully living beings. Basically running holodecks is akin to short term slavery that only works provided there's no power surge and no error that results in the program running for too long.
Slipspace wrote: Yeah, that was...not good. The whole situation with Tilly was also just majorly stupid - even more so than when Saaru first made her his first officer. He informs the head of Starfleet the ENSIGN Tilly will take command of the Federation's greatest strategic asset and he just shrugs and goes with it. Ranks exist for a reason people.
Which again is just annoying for so many reasons.
We can't really question how a spore drive works any more than how a transporter works, it's all space magic with a thin veneer of science and we accept that as part of Space Opera.
But we know how large organizations work and how navies work. So writers have to pay some attention to internal logic there, and someone going from ensign to 1st officer overnight just defies that.
Not as bad as going from cadet to captain of the Federation flagship (shakes fist as JJ Abrams), but still pretty bad.
And it wasn't necessary.
Episode 1 - 30 second scene where Tilly is promoted to Lieutenant for her service in seasons 1 and 2.
Episode 4ish - some random bridge person dies, Tilly gets a field promotion to fill the job.
Episode 8 - I need a new first officer, Lt Commander Tilly will you take the job?
Yeah 3 promotions in a season is a bit of a stretch but not as bad as one person leaping over the whole crew.
2020/12/29 08:07:17
Subject: Re:Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks etc
The whole show has been focussed on Burnham and her former roomate / sidekick since season 1.
Having her become Captain was probably inevitable.
Having Burnham be a unaware Q makes horrible sense - its all her unconsciousness making everyone love her and be the best at everything, always.
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