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Personally I find it hard to enjoy the schadenfreude, Discovery was the first proper StarTrek series to come out since 2005 and it is just an absolute train crash XD

Proper?

Yea you know; live actors, big budget T.V.
I'm not sure if there were any cartoon or book series published in the interim.

Kroem wrote:Personally I find it hard to enjoy the schadenfreude, Discovery was the first proper StarTrek series to come out since 2005 and it is just an absolute train crash XD

Kroem wrote:Yea you know; live actors, big budget T.V.
I'm not sure if there were any cartoon or book series published in the interim.

Not a fan or not familiar with the Expanse? I've also heard good things about Orphan Black although I'll admit that I haven't watched it. There are others that were good for a time before sucking again (like Doctor Who's reboot).

edit: My bad. I didn't see you specified Trek.

 warboss wrote:

Kroem wrote:Personally I find it hard to enjoy the schadenfreude, Discovery was the first proper StarTrek series to come out since 2005 and it is just an absolute train crash XD

Kroem wrote:Yea you know; live actors, big budget T.V.
I'm not sure if there were any cartoon or book series published in the interim.

Not a fan or not familiar with the Expanse? I've also heard good things about Orphan Black although I'll admit that I haven't watched it. There are others that were good for a time before sucking again (like Doctor Who's reboot).

He did say Star Trek Show

Expanse is a brilliant show - Discovery is realy really bad fan fiction about one character and her sidekick....

Thanks for the correction.

 Mr Morden wrote:

He did say Star Trek Show

Expanse is a brilliant show - Discovery is realy really bad fan fiction about one character and her sidekick....

I watched there first 2(?) episode of the Expanse and whilst it wasn't bad it didn't feel very Star Trek to me.
Based on those first two episodes, it had all the trappings of a Star Trek, smooth ships, aliens etc. but didn't seem to have the same focus on interesting philosophical/ sociological/ ethical quandaries at the heart of Star Trek.
However maybe it finds it's feet in episode 3!

What I would really love is Star Trek: Hornblower or Star Trek: Patrick O'Brian!

 Kroem wrote:

I watched there first 2(?) episode of the Expanse and whilst it wasn't bad it didn't feel very Star Trek to me.
Based on those first two episodes, it had all the trappings of a Star Trek, smooth ships, aliens etc. but didn't seem to have the same focus on interesting philosophical/ sociological/ ethical quandaries at the heart of Star Trek.
However maybe it finds it's feet in episode 3!

Not sure about finding its feet in episode 3. . . but I would say it definitely does find them, and is a great show. Season 4 was a departure from the "formula" that they spent the first 3 seasons developing, but even that one isn't bad.

And I would say that the *cal quandaries you bring up for Trek are definitely there, if somewhat more muted, and more greyed out

I was under the impression that The Expanse, while absolutely excellent, was a lot closer in vein to nuBSG than Star Trek, where the closest analogue is 'The Orville', provided you can stand Seth Macfarlane humour, though despite the humour, it does have very Star Trekkish situations and philosophical questions.

Sooooo, Just a train wreck.
I'll get my Trek fill from Lower Decks.
Good job discovery. You made something worse then Star Trek 09.
Also, dilithium was never required for warp travel discovery. You like to give nods to other series. But it's clear the writers never saw them.
Also, magic holo somehow allows a troll memory to

Because it continues to just astound me as possibly the dumbest part of all the dumb stuff from that episode, This is what it looks like outside the Discovery’s turbolifts. Just... why?

Yeah. Big old pile of meh, I’m afraid.

Why would any ship designer leave huge internal spaces like that? Space is at a premium on seafaring ship design, but maybe that doesn't apply in space?
Still got to accelerate the whole ship to at least warp 6 though so you would think it would be an issue.

Indeed.

Well, that’s it until season 4. This one had glimmers of brilliance, but kinda lost its way.

But, given the end was them going on their merry Starfleet way, I’m dimly hopeful we’ll get Proper Trek Stories, as there’s nothing to continue over in terms of cliff hangers.

That's the interior of the Discovery?!

Jesus wept...

I haven't watched the past few episodes, so wasn't sure if that was a clip from Disco or that Valerian film.

Probably one of the writers saw a sci-fi quote on Wikipedia that it's bigger on the inside and decided it was trek.

 Compel wrote:
I was under the impression that The Expanse, while absolutely excellent, was a lot closer in vein to nuBSG than Star Trek, where the closest analogue is 'The Orville', provided you can stand Seth Macfarlane humour, though despite the humour, it does have very Star Trekkish situations and philosophical questions.

Agreed - I would highly recomend the Expanse but its not (nor does it want to be) Trek.

Hopefully Picard Season 2 will be owrth watching - although not if its like the final episode.

They’ve actually had similar scenes in previous seasons but I apparently overlooked them because they didn’t involve action scenes of characters smashing out the windows of the turbo lift and jumping onto another passing car. The main difference here is they used to have actual rollercoaster rails they rode on, but those have been replaced by those future tech floating squares that the cars just float thru.

 AduroT wrote:
They’ve actually had similar scenes in previous seasons but I apparently overlooked them because they didn’t involve action scenes of characters smashing out the windows of the turbo lift and jumping onto another passing car. The main difference here is they used to have actual rollercoaster rails they rode on, but those have been replaced by those future tech floating squares that the cars just float thru.

Are those squares just teleporting in as well - at that point just use teleporters everywhere?

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Compel wrote:
I was under the impression that The Expanse, while absolutely excellent, was a lot closer in vein to nuBSG than Star Trek, where the closest analogue is 'The Orville', provided you can stand Seth Macfarlane humour, though despite the humour, it does have very Star Trekkish situations and philosophical questions.

Agreed - I would highly recomend the Expanse but its not (nor does it want to be) Trek.

Hopefully Picard Season 2 will be owrth watching - although not if its like the final episode.

I shall also chime in and say Expanse, while in no way a “Trek” show, is gosh dang Amazing and if you’re a fan of scifi you should be watching it. It’s fairly grounded in its scifi though, covering most all things in a very realistic way baring one specific exception.

Orville is way more “trek” than most modern Trek shows, and the McFarlan humor is fairly toned down. It’s got some stupid zany stuff sure, but it’s no Family Guy. They do not shy away from allegories to opine on current/political/social events, and are very anti-religion if those are things that concern you though.

Both shows are Way better than Discovery.


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 Mr Morden wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
They’ve actually had similar scenes in previous seasons but I apparently overlooked them because they didn’t involve action scenes of characters smashing out the windows of the turbo lift and jumping onto another passing car. The main difference here is they used to have actual rollercoaster rails they rode on, but those have been replaced by those future tech floating squares that the cars just float thru.

Are those squares just teleporting in as well - at that point just use teleporters everywhere?

I don’t think they’re teleporting in, I think those are the “programable matter” they get from the future tech. Basically nanotech that reshapes itself to the task at hand. They generally Do use teleporters everywhere now though, because everyone’s com badge includes a built in personal transporter, but the bad guys had jammed all transport on the ship.

So the Discovery is basically a Tardis now?

Also that tube system is going to be so much fun when the power gets cut and it all - collapses!

 AduroT wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Compel wrote:
I was under the impression that The Expanse, while absolutely excellent, was a lot closer in vein to nuBSG than Star Trek, where the closest analogue is 'The Orville', provided you can stand Seth Macfarlane humour, though despite the humour, it does have very Star Trekkish situations and philosophical questions.

Agreed - I would highly recomend the Expanse but its not (nor does it want to be) Trek.

Hopefully Picard Season 2 will be owrth watching - although not if its like the final episode.

I shall also chime in and say Expanse, while in no way a “Trek” show, is gosh dang Amazing and if you’re a fan of scifi you should be watching it. It’s fairly grounded in its scifi though, covering most all things in a very realistic way baring one specific exception.

I'm on record as a big fan of the Expanse, show and the books (although I've yet to see Season Four or Five). I think the books at least are a spiritual-successor to Star Trek; they are much more optimistic and upbeat than the show, and have that sense of celebrating humanity's potential. It's also less naive and a little sardonic at times - it doesn't assume that we'll work out our problems overnight. It shows the work of characters putting aside their bs and making it work, which I appreciate. And there's a lot of cool hard sci-fi tech stuff and thought experiments, plenty of space politics. It is not the same as Star Trek, but I think it's what Star Trek made today would be (ignoring all the Star Trek that is being made today, of course. )

Other than both being in the future and space (and obviously the same scifi genre of TV), I don't see much in the way of similarities tonally between the the Expanse and classic Trek. I like them both for what they are though.

 warboss wrote:
Other than both being in the future and space (and obviously the same scifi genre of TV), I don't see much in the way of similarities tonally between the the Expanse and classic Trek. I like them both for what they are though.

I was speaking more to the books, I agree that the show doesn't fit the tone as well.

 AduroT wrote:
Because it continues to just astound me as possibly the dumbest part of all the dumb stuff from that episode, This is what it looks like outside the Discovery’s turbolifts. Just... why?

Their Chameleon Circuit clearly works, its bigger on the inside!!

 AduroT wrote:
Because it continues to just astound me as possibly the dumbest part of all the dumb stuff from that episode, This is what it looks like outside the Discovery’s turbolifts. Just... why?

Wait.. Its creating archways (which presumably move the 'turbolift') as they travel. That's amazingly dumb. And then they float in place. The power requirements for the matter-energy conversion and to float all the square arches would dwarf the power requirements of almost everything else on the ship. Just to take the elevator.
With all that space, you could just have stairs and not have any power requirements at all!

Somehow the interior of Discovery is the 'Monster Inc' doorway warehouse inside Babylon 5.

I'm guessing someone at the writer's room or artist room was drunk, or the next reveal is that they're in a giant maze simulation run by mice to test human intelligence and discover the Ultimate Question.

 Don Qui Hotep wrote:
but I think it's what Star Trek made today would be

The star trek of today would not have the optimism and activism of late 1960s trek.
The cold war well and truly blew all of that out of the water.

 chromedog wrote:

 Don Qui Hotep wrote:
but I think it's what Star Trek made today would be

The star trek of today would not have the optimism and activism of late 1960s trek.
The cold war well and truly blew all of that out of the water.

Right, and the Expanse is a more post-Colonial take on Utopianism.

 AduroT wrote:
Because it continues to just astound me as possibly the dumbest part of all the dumb stuff from that episode, This is what it looks like outside the Discovery’s turbolifts. Just... why?

WHERE ARE ALL THE JEFFERIES TUBES!?!?!!?!?!?!

Holy cow that is one of the stupidest things I've ever seen.

Wouldn't just be quicker/easier/more energy efficient to just teleport over from one room to the next instead of building the teleportation railroad in front of the tube train? It's like they just wanted to waste money on effects.