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 warboss wrote:
Wouldn't just be quicker/easier/more energy efficient to just teleport over from one room to the next instead of building the teleportation railroad in front of the tube train? It's like they just wanted to waste money on effects.

wooooo! look at how futuristic this is wooo! it's advanced!
star tek has ALWAYS had this problem to a degree (using force fields in their brig instead of doors and bars, thus ensuring a power outage would be mixed with a prison break) but this looks like it takes it a quantum leap forward, in a bad way

Burnham's plot armor makes Batman envious and audiences yell at their screen.

 Ahtman wrote:
Burnham's plot armor makes Batman envious and audiences yell at their screen.

Is she any worse than Kirk though? That's what puts me off the original series.

 Kroem wrote:
Is she any worse than Kirk though?

Yes.

If I remember Kirk mostly just punched people and got hot alot.
Burnham is surviving decompression, falls that would kill people. All that stuff.
Star Trek on screen had sort of this realism to it, mostly for budget constraints on old shows, action was real.
But Disco has action movie action

 Ahtman wrote:

 Kroem wrote:
Is she any worse than Kirk though?

Yes.

I've just started watching TOS again (partially to see what the new effects are like, partially because I want to start playing ST:STCS) and I started with The Doomsday Machine.

Spoiler alert: Kirk's plot armour saves him. It also saves those unimportant crew members who I can't remember the name of and don't contribute to the story or the solution to the problem. Wait... I meant Spock, Bones, Scotty, Sulu... all people who had a part to play.

Now, I'm not a TOS fanboy at all - I used to think that it was primative and dated, but the acting there blows Discovery out of the water. I even empathised with the PTSD suffering Commodore and didn't see him as the bad guy, just a very broken man. I never got anything like that out of Disco or Picard.

Despite the camp, I think TOS acting is really strong. All working actors playing often-goofy scenarios completely straight. It is particularly great when you get to the movies. Shatner certainly has a distinct way of talking, but he's a good actor.

I think the best ensemble, in terms of acting quality, has to be DS9, right? Pretty much everyone in the main cast is a powerhouse, and such a fun supporting cast as well.

DS9 was bold in that it defocused from Sisko and the "core bridge crew" quite early on. even to the point of not even featuring them in some episodes.

They fleshed out a lot of the support cast to the point that they were no longer just supporting. Something that Voyager went back on - which is surprising since in theory a totally isolated crew should have allowed it all the more.

That was.... Odd. But the oddest thing was I kept wondering why Nilsson had vanished to be replaced by Lt. Ina

Kept thinking this was a redshirt situation, but she survived. Turns out the actress has been in the series quite a lot, but under heavy prosthetics, which puts it in the Doug Jones "it would be nice to have your real face on screen" category. Which is honestly quite cool.

There is no way in God's green federation that Burnham should be promoted to Captain.




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Seriously.

You should be Captain because my daughter hates arithmetic is just crazy

 Kroem wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
Burnham's plot armor makes Batman envious and audiences yell at their screen.

Is she any worse than Kirk though? That's what puts me off the original series.

She is perhaps the worst written and most protected character in sci-fi - off hand can't think of anyone worse?

 Mr Morden wrote:

 Kroem wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:
Burnham's plot armor makes Batman envious and audiences yell at their screen.

Is she any worse than Kirk though? That's what puts me off the original series.

She is perhaps the worst written and most protected character in sci-fi - off hand can't think of anyone worse?

Jason dinAlt from the Deathworld series, maybe.

But there are few quite as adept at avoiding the consequences of their own actions.

 Overread wrote:
DS9 was bold in that it defocused from Sisko and the "core bridge crew" quite early on. even to the point of not even featuring them in some episodes.

They fleshed out a lot of the support cast to the point that they were no longer just supporting. Something that Voyager went back on - which is surprising since in theory a totally isolated crew should have allowed it all the more.

Having recently binged the series, I want to say if anyone, Quark was probably in the most episodes.

 warboss wrote:
Probably one of the writers saw a sci-fi quote on Wikipedia that it's bigger on the inside and decided it was trek.

I mean, this is true. Of the Enterprise J, as described in Enterprise. It's supposed to have used spatial folding such that the ship's interior was much larger than exterior (while the exterior was basically the size of a cube... So not sure why anyone bothered), but that still doesn't amount to 'our ship is almost completely hollow inside.' That's just stupidity for the sole sake of a 'wow look at that' scene no one will actually enjoy because the idea is so stupid.

And the Enterprise J is supposed to be from the 26th century.

 LordofHats wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Probably one of the writers saw a sci-fi quote on Wikipedia that it's bigger on the inside and decided it was trek.

I mean, this is true. Of the Enterprise J, as described in Enterprise. It's supposed to have used spatial folding such that the ship's interior was much larger than exterior (while the exterior was basically the size of a cube... So not sure why anyone bothered), but that still doesn't amount to 'our ship is almost completely hollow inside.' That's just stupidity for the sole sake of a 'wow look at that' scene no one will actually enjoy because the idea is so stupid.

And the Enterprise J is supposed to be from the 26th century.

And the pod the Enterprise finds in Future Tense is bigger on the inside.

I genuinely thought I'd missed some part of the story and they'd somehow gone back to Starfleet HQ for the turbolift sequence. Everything on Discovery in that last episode was majorly stupid. We had firefights in empty rooms with no cover, Burnham surviving entering the data core because...reasons and the weird energy surges that kept knocking her and Ossyra over at the most inopportune moments. Then the strange "shove her into the wall" non-death that made no sense.

I'm also left wondering why the crew were so shocked that life support was turned off. Wouldn't that literally be the first thing you'd do in the event of a hostile force rampaging around the non-essential areas of your ship? Then there's the convenient contrivance of Booker being able to use the spore drive because the plot demands it.

Speaking of the plot, I'm so glad they came up with such a well thought-out explanation for the Burn /s.

And now it looks like Doug Jones may well be gone, judging by the ending. In his place we have Captain Plot Armour who's given command because she does everything the wrong way but gets the right result, which in no way seems like a recipe for disaster. Don't think I'll be watching season 4.

For some reason I though STD went into a holiday break like every other show so just got around to watching the rest now. It kind of worked better that way since the last 3 episodes are basically a movie. Got to say I think the admiral should have taken that deal with Osira. She was giving Starfleet everything they could possibly want. And taking it would have improved the quality of life of millions of people. However, I won’t fault the Admiral too bad for standing on principle. It’s interesting that someone from the extremely difficult dark age that Starfleet is now in would be old school and cut from the same cloth as Picard TNG era. It’s just a start contrast from Discovery’s crew crying over the departure of Space Hitler Geourgui who is literally 100 times worse than Osira. So instead of coming to a meeting of minds and having that very Star Trek resolution of making peace with their enemies and finding common ground they just killed her instead.

Anyway, I knew others would point out the sheer idiocy of that Turbolift scene. Like seriously what the hell? There’s no way that’s what a turbolift is. How the hell did that scene get green lit? That’s STD for you. Just so uneven and nonsensical.

I don’t know what you guys are complaining about on the turbo lift issue. Do none of you remember the Original Series? Typical example of Spock using the turbo lift:

Yep, you know there's a problem when Discovery makes V'Ger look cosy and cramped.

I think the oddest thing for me is that it’s clearly meant to have been part of Disco’s refit. And I can buy that a couple of centuries of technical advancement could easily create significant redundant space (consider room sized computers, then the iPad i type this on).

But....why then would they keep the outer hull the same? Why wouldn’t they add further decks and labs and crew quarters and leisure facilities to the space frame, rather than just leave massive open spaces.

And why Turbolifts when they’ve seemingly perfected site to site transporters?

Finally? Please please please? No more “thing only exist when it neededs”. Yes it does look kinda cool on screen....but it just seems wasteful. It takes power to replicate and de-replicate. So just.......replicate it and be done with the matter?


Heh. Matter. Replicate.

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
She was giving Starfleet everything they could possibly want. And taking it would have improved the quality of life of millions of people. However, I won’t fault the Admiral too bad for standing on principle.

Yep that is definitely something that comes up in Star Trek a lot XD

I think the Son'A got the worst instance of it; Picard breaks a Federation treaty, condemns the entire Son'A race to a slow, agonising death and destroys a medical technology that could have saved squillions of lives just on the point of principle that the small farming village shall not be moved!

Actually I always hoped the Son'A survived. There was mention in DS:9 of them selling Ketrecel White to the Dominion.
Since the Dominion are master genesmiths, maybe the Son'A got some technology in return to extend their wretched lives by a few more decades.

I think there ended up being more to it than that for the Son'a. - The Son'a and Bak'u were the same people and it was ultimately a family feud that meant they were refusing to simply return home.

By the end of the movie (I nearly said episode, because I've always thought of Insurrection as just a special bonus feature lengthed episode), as the Son'a and the Bak'u were beginning to reconcile, perhaps they could be healed too....

 Kroem wrote:

 KamikazeCanuck wrote:
She was giving Starfleet everything they could possibly want. And taking it would have improved the quality of life of millions of people. However, I won’t fault the Admiral too bad for standing on principle.

Yep that is definitely something that comes up in Star Trek a lot XD

Picard destroys a medical technology that could have saved squillions of lives just on the point of principle that the small farming village shall not be moved!

I really dislike that film for that reason - its just a very bad over long episode of next gen at its worst - IMO

Slipspace wrote:
I genuinely thought I'd missed some part of the story and they'd somehow gone back to Starfleet HQ for the turbolift sequence. Everything on Discovery in that last episode was majorly stupid. We had firefights in empty rooms with no cover, Burnham surviving entering the data core because...reasons and the weird energy surges that kept knocking her and Ossyra over at the most inopportune moments. Then the strange "shove her into the wall" non-death that made no sense.

I'm also left wondering why the crew were so shocked that life support was turned off. Wouldn't that literally be the first thing you'd do in the event of a hostile force rampaging around the non-essential areas of your ship? Then there's the convenient contrivance of Booker being able to use the spore drive because the plot demands it.

Speaking of the plot, I'm so glad they came up with such a well thought-out explanation for the Burn /s.

And now it looks like Doug Jones may well be gone, judging by the ending. In his place we have Captain Plot Armour who's given command because she does everything the wrong way but gets the right result, which in no way seems like a recipe for disaster. Don't think I'll be watching season 4.

Of all the things that are dumb I will actually fully accept Booker being able to run the Spore Drive. He has been shown repeatedly since very early on in the season to have that empathic ability to connect and communicate with other creatures, so I am willing to believe that can extend to the Miceleal Network.

Oh, god, Booker. "It doesn't matter that I pissed off the one person in the universe who can use the supar-dupar thing that makes my ship extra-speshul and which I just got made captain of, becos MY BOYFRIEND can do the job as well"

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

 Compel wrote:
I think there ended up being more to it than that for the Son'a. - The Son'a and Bak'u were the same people and it was ultimately a family feud that meant they were refusing to simply return home.

By the end of the movie (I nearly said episode, because I've always thought of Insurrection as just a special bonus feature lengthed episode), as the Son'a and the Bak'u were beginning to reconcile, perhaps they could be healed too....

I remember that solution coming up in the film, they said they would need 10 years on the planet to heal and would all be dead long before then.
I know some did return to the planet though.

Well the only good news is Doug Jones will be back for season 4.

Other than that... yeah no. Dull firefights, ludicrous turbolift flight, and Star Fleet is completely incompetent - unable to disable a single ship in the middle of their headquarters.

And the Burn? Turns out a wizard did it.

So the comedy Below Decks animation appeared on Amazon Prime.


Eh I was down for a comic take on ST, but this suffers. The animation is not to my liking, but worse is the speed. Everything is happening at a lightning fast speed to cram it all in. Jokes hardly have time to develop a chuckle before BOOM next joke or next scene or scene jump. They don't pace it out well in the rush to do so much. There's also a big "Family Guy" edge to the humour which makes it very "drunk funny". Which is to say that its crude, crass, poorly timed and sort of makes you think you need to be abit inebriated to appreciate it.




I dunno I'll give a few more episodes a try, but sadly I think it just misses the mark

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

And the Burn? Turns out a wizard did it.

Look on the bright side... at least it wasn't named after our Lady and Saviour, Michael Burnham... or even her family. Considering how much galaxy wide destruction they've wrought, it's a breath of fresh air that she wasn't in any way responsible for this calamity. Progress!


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 Overread wrote:
So the comedy Below Decks animation appeared on Amazon Prime.

I'm guessing that's not available in the US but I'll check tonight.

 warboss wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

And the Burn? Turns out a wizard did it.

Look on the bright side... at least it wasn't name after our Lady and Saviour, Michael Burnham... or even her family. Considering how much galaxy wide destruction they've wrought, it's a breath of fresh air that she wasn't in any way responsible for this calamity. Progress!

OMG, I never even thought of that...

Well with time travel there's still time for her to cause it in Season 4!

Wizard/Mutant Kid-AAAAAH Look what you made me do!
Burnham - Never forget me, my name is Burn- (sucked into time warp)

 warboss wrote:

 Overread wrote:
So the comedy Below Decks animation appeared on Amazon Prime.

I'm guessing that's not available in the US but I'll check tonight.

I would strongly recommend it if you can. I’m a big fan of that and hoping for more seasons of it.