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2025/10/13 18:26:54
Subject: Re:Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
I feel like Trek has already done " we enter the thing because we're picking up an SOS and turns out to be our own SOS and we need to break the cycle" a couple of times
The old meta is dead and the new meta struggles to be born. Now is the time of munchkins.
2025/10/13 21:55:02
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Ahtman wrote: Finally, the young adult romance CW channel like romance series we've always dreamed of in Star Trek. Who amongst us wasn't watching something like Dawson's Creek or The OC and said "this should take place in Starfleet"? And it is in the good hands of the Discovery team so I've got all the confidence in it as a quality ST product.
Hell yeah. This is gonna be great! I haven't been this excited for a new Star Trek program since Star Trek Scouts was announced!
On the bright side, it can't be any worse than Section 31.
It is going to be gold Lathe, GOLD!
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2025/10/14 02:32:13
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Ahtman wrote: Finally, the young adult romance CW channel like romance series we've always dreamed of in Star Trek. Who amongst us wasn't watching something like Dawson's Creek or The OC and said "this should take place in Starfleet"? And it is in the good hands of the Discovery team so I've got all the confidence in it as a quality ST product.
Hell yeah. This is gonna be great! I haven't been this excited for a new Star Trek program since Star Trek Scouts was announced!
On the bright side, it can't be any worse than Section 31.
It is going to be gold Lathe, GOLD!
If this doesn't work out like we hope... you can always watch this:
It might have probably does have better writers.
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BorderCountess wrote: Just because you're doing something right doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're doing...
Zed wrote: *All statements reflect my opinion at this moment. if some sort of pretty new model gets released (or if I change my mind at random) I reserve the right to jump on any bandwagon at will.
2025/10/14 17:42:11
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
[DCM]
Chief Deputy Sub Assistant Trainee Squig Handling Intern
To be honest? I’m willing to give Starfleet Academy a fair shake.
Disco going to the far future irritated me, because it felt like a cop out when they realised Absolutely Nobody Asked For Another Prequel. And then they horribly botched it, because the design aesthetic was ridiculous (programmable matter is silly. Your result floaty nacelles are silly. A crew used to now frankly archaic tech just….not having a problem catching up was silly).
But.
Doing a further forward future setting of course removes a lot of baggage compared to prequel and contemporaneous sequels in terms of Established Events and having to negotiate your plots around strongly established canon.
So the writers have greater freedom, which we can only hope (and/or pray if that’s your jam) they put to good use.
This is actually why I (not you, Into Darkness) give the J J Abrams ones a softer time. They at least had the sense to be a separate timeline, freeing them up somewhat.
Also encouraging is the focus being on Cadets, we can move past The Michael Burnham show and All Action All The Time and get back to Light Weight Philosophy Which Sometimes Does Heavy Weight Really Well.
Fed up of Scalpers? But still want your Exclusives? Why not join us?
One of the dumbest things they did in future Discovery was the space station that separated into cross section discs and then each individual disc went to warp. Just… so stupid. If Academy is by the same people as Discovery I have Very little hope for it to be any good.
2025/10/21 07:27:35
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
So instead of lifts that move you to different floors physically; lets build lifts that teleports you in stagger motions through a pocket dimension that's bigger than the whole ship.
Don’t forget the whole future setting was caused because one baby was born on a planet rich with spaceship fuel, became empathically connected to all the spaceship fuel in the galaxy due to this proximity, and when he had a temper tantrum it caused all spaceships in the galaxy to explode.
2025/10/21 18:10:48
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Up until "I must save the objectively evil genocidal empress and bring her back my Universe because she looks like my adopted mom, who I knocked out in the first episode because I had a feeling".
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
2025/10/21 19:45:29
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Up until "I must save the objectively evil genocidal empress and bring her back my Universe because she looks like my adopted mom, who I knocked out in the first episode because I had a feeling".
Gah! I had forgotten about that.
I would say that I need to rewatch them all back to back.... like I did with Voyager... but I don't hate myself that much.
Discovery really was the worst Star Trek show. (I'm including animated and fan made shows in this list too).
BorderCountess wrote: Just because you're doing something right doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're doing...
Enterprise and Voyager might not be great, but at least they understood what made Star Trek what it was. Discovery was just generic action sci-fi with a thin veneer of Trek layered on top. Orville was better Star Trek than Discovery.
2025/10/21 22:01:45
Subject: Star Trek: general discussion-Picard, Discovery, Lower Decks (and Orville)
Enterprise started out really great with Trek themes - I feel like the whole dive into the temporal war was a mistake as was shoe-horning in things like the Borg and such. Old Trek had more than enough iconic aliens and such to explore the early days of without going for temporal wars and factions that weren't supposed to appear yet.
But yeah it at least tried to be Star Trek at its core.
The Mirror universe in Star Trek Burnham was not bad - its nowhere near as awesome as the Enterprise two parter - again because its not as over the top and basically mad fun and of course its still all about Burnham - now if they had had her alt as a layabout, useless bottom feeder - that might have shown some self awareness but nope...
Also I always wondered why Voyager did not have a Mirror Episode?
Has Lower Decks done it?
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I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
If anything, it’s DS9 that really ran with it first as an ongoing (excellent) sideshow?
Yeah it was a bit too fun for Next Gen - forgot that
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
But when I think Mirror Universe, it’s DS9 that springs to mind.
Yeah they did some great stuff with it - but my fav remains Enterprise - the cast seemed to be having fun - esp Hoshi
I AM A MARINE PLAYER
"Unimaginably ancient xenos artefact somewhere on the planet, hive fleet poised above our heads, hidden 'stealer broods making an early start....and now a bloody Chaos cult crawling out of the woodwork just in case we were bored. Welcome to my world, Ciaphas."
Inquisitor Amberley Vail, Ordo Xenos
"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
