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They said that the best things from PA will be in the new codex as well.
PA will stay as valid as the Vigilus books. So fine in normal play but might get banned from tournaments at some Point

the new tournament rules from GW are very clear about that, for now only special Detachments are banned from tournaments
PA rules are valid until the Supplement is there, than we know if there is still something useful left from it or not

But for now I am thinking more about what to do with the Marines until that

Vehicles can be converted into the Primaris version easily with plastic card and weapon bits
Marines are a lot more work specially as the SW feet are not easy to cut into pieces
but selling them now might be a risk and buyers might be hard to find

So, uh, did they change the PA FAQ to make all Space Wolves units that aren't BEAST or SERVITOR ObSec?

2nd page, Pg 53 change:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/kA6zZq83YtZHZ9Ea.pdf

 Unusual Suspect wrote:
So, uh, did they change the PA FAQ to make all Space Wolves units that aren't BEAST or SERVITOR ObSec?

2nd page, Pg 53 change:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/kA6zZq83YtZHZ9Ea.pdf

Yes they did... Probably not what they intended but that's on them. They did point out that murder fang cannot be chosen for hero the chapter

I thought this at first, however the actual Defenders of Humanity rule itself states that only troops get affected by it.

 Tiberius501 wrote:
I thought this at first, however the actual Defenders of Humanity rule itself states that only troops get affected by it.

Does it?

This is what I've seen in both my digital copy and, uh, other sources:

A unit with this ability that is within range of an objective marker (as specified in the mission) controls the objective marker even if there are more enemy models within range of that objective marker. If an enemy unit within range of the same objective marker has a similar ability, then the objective marker is controlled by the player who has the most models within range of it as normal

I don't see anything in the 9th edition Space Wolves FAQ that changes the wording here.

What am I missing?

Now that SW are rolled into SM codex, do we not get access to their PA book and units (centurions)

Jimbobbyish wrote:
Now that SW are rolled into SM codex, do we not get access to their PA book and units (centurions)

I'm suspecting that there will be a list of units that SW, DA, BA, etc. will be able to take from the regular Marines list. It probably won't include every regular SM unit (for example, why would SW want Tactical Squads when we already have an equivalent, Grey Hunters?). The supplements will include all the unique units and special characters and their updated rules.

that said I imagine SWs will get centurions, that said I'd not race out and buy a ton just yet

we might get them with the Codex and they are taken way with the Supplement

or Centurions go Legends anyway with the Codex

 kodos wrote:
we might get them with the Codex and they are taken way with the Supplement

or Centurions go Legends anyway with the Codex

centurions are too new. If I was to compile a list of things I'd expect to see moved to legends anytime soon from marines it'd stuff that is old and or resin. I think MOST of the rhino chassis vehicles are gonna be safe for a time (simply because the rhino is used by CSMs and SOBs. had the SOB rhino been an entirely new sculpt that woulda had me worried)

 kodos wrote:
the new tournament rules from GW are very clear about that, for now only special Detachments are banned from tournaments
PA rules are valid until the Supplement is there, than we know if there is still something useful left from it or not

Well unless they specifically ban out PA eventually even supplement won't invalidate PA

I did not say that they invalidate it but that we will see if it is still useful

GW said the Codex will be the "best of" of 8th Edi rules, so even if PA is still valid after Supplement, there might be nothing in worth taking with the the new rules

BrianDavion wrote:

 kodos wrote:
we might get them with the Codex and they are taken way with the Supplement
or Centurions go Legends anyway with the Codex

centurions are too new. If I was to compile a list of things I'd expect to see moved to legends anytime soon from marines it'd stuff that is old and or resin. I think MOST of the rhino chassis vehicles are gonna be safe for a time (simply because the rhino is used by CSMs and SOBs. had the SOB rhino been an entirely new sculpt that woulda had me worried)

There is nothing "too new" as the kits have already paid them off
And replacing the Rhino is no problem as long as the updated bits from SoB or Chaos still fit, which is basically the front plate and the doors.
and while the Rhino itself might be still available, still not reason to not put it somewhere "unseen" for Marines

it is more of the thing what GW really want for Marines, if there would be Primaris Terminators, there is no real reason to keep Centurions around
or the other way around, don't bring new Termis if you keep Centurions for Primaris

GW's best and actual best are 2 different things...

Jimbobbyish wrote:
Now that SW are rolled into SM codex, do we not get access to their PA book and units (centurions)

SM didn't have much in the way of a PA book (that's basically what their supplements were), but yes, we'll get access to the various character upgrades from Faith and Fury. I'll certainly be trying out a biker Master of Sanctity as soon as I manage to figure out how I can play a corona-proof game at home

Some hilarity:
Primaris wolf lord costs 5pts more than a primaris captain (defensible given the anti morale strat the former has over the latter)

Invictor warsuit twin ironhail autocannon costs 30pt for wolves, 0 for the rest. Also, incendium cannon has no listed value for the wolves.

Suppressors cost 105 for the unit for marines. Wolves pay only 60.

These points are fething loony.

ryzouken wrote:
Some hilarity:
Primaris wolf lord costs 5pts more than a primaris captain (defensible given the anti morale strat the former has over the latter)

Invictor warsuit twin ironhail autocannon costs 30pt for wolves, 0 for the rest. Also, incendium cannon has no listed value for the wolves.

Suppressors cost 105 for the unit for marines. Wolves pay only 60.

These points are fething loony.

These points are irrelevant as they are superseded by the Munitorium Fieldmanual

What do you think I'm quoting? These are FROM the munitorum field manual.

ryzouken wrote:
Some hilarity:
Primaris wolf lord costs 5pts more than a primaris captain (defensible given the anti morale strat the former has over the latter)

Invictor warsuit twin ironhail autocannon costs 30pt for wolves, 0 for the rest. Also, incendium cannon has no listed value for the wolves.

Suppressors cost 105 for the unit for marines. Wolves pay only 60.

These points are fething loony.

Probably typo's that will be FAQ-ed (except the captain one maybe).

this BTW ius proably WHY GW's folding the codex into the space marines codex. less chance for errors to creep in

BrianDavion wrote:
this BTW ius proably WHY GW's folding the codex into the space marines codex. less chance for errors to creep in

That'd at most be a positive side effect. Main reason is the homologation of the various Marine factions through the various Primaris releases and this being an excellent opportunity for GW to give each First Founding Chapter an equal amount of attention from now on instead of for example the Space Wolves constantly being in the spotlight while the Imperial Fists have mostly been yellow Ultramarines without access to their special characters up until recently. What we'll likely see is that every First Founding chapter and DW gets 1 exclusive Primaris unit down the road (probably going to be primaris Wulfen or primaris TWC for us) instead of SW having different kits for nearly everything.

When are we joining the SM thread, after the new codex release?

Aside from that, Leaks are coming out about the changes to models and weapons. Like S+1 on power swords, S+2 Axe, 2D PF, 4D TH.

I wonder how this will effect our weapons, like what the Wulfen use and frost swords/axes.

I made a space wolves related post there but seems most sensable to stay ehre till our supplement comes. TBH I'd rather see a megathread for each chapter..

with that said, has anyone else realized how fething AWESOME grey hunters could be in 9E? it looks like boltguns are gonna be range 30 too so we could very well end up with grey hunters being "basicly as good as intercessors" for less points

BrianDavion wrote:
I made a space wolves related post there but seems most sensable to stay ehre till our supplement comes. TBH I'd rather see a megathread for each chapter..

with that said, has anyone else realized how fething AWESOME grey hunters could be in 9E? it looks like boltguns are gonna be range 30 too so we could very well end up with grey hunters being "basicly as good as intercessors" for less points

Shoot you beat me here I copyed your quote from the news thread to bring it here. Grey hunters can take a WGL, that's 1-3 special weapons and 1-2 melee weapons.

Grey Hunters have always been awesome, hence why they got a big nerf at some point as "no unit that is meant to be the core tax should be awesome".
but people still made them work

yet we still have to wait for the new Codex to see what happens because the "troops must be bad" stuff can be there again
and for now Wolfguard Outriders are a possibility as well.

 kodos wrote:
Grey Hunters have always been awesome, hence why they got a big nerf at some point as "no unit that is meant to be the core tax should be awesome".
but people still made them work

yet we still have to wait for the new Codex to see what happens because the "troops must be bad" stuff can be there again
and for now Wolfguard Outriders are a possibility as well.

Outriders are gonna technicly be a claw unit. unless we get a strat to turn a primaris unit into wolfguard. as for troops having to suck, GW seems to deliberatly trying to make marines feel "elite and awesome" so.. we'll see

It depends on how we get access to units in general with the supplement

if Wolguard just became a Bladeguard with other keywords it is different if it stays like in old days to be a unit with access to everything but Primaris

if all specific units will only be old marines and Primaris just get a keyword change it will be boring at best

so lot of possibility from 9th will be awesome to shelf your Wolves for 10th

People keep mentioning that Boltguns are going to range 30 and I don't think that's right. I think that's just the Sternguard's special issue boltguns as that was the kit that had a lot of the changes to Marines leaked from. Now, if they gave those bolters to all veterans, including Wolf Guard, well that would be cool. If I'm wrong about the bolters, please feel free to correct me, as I would actually like to be wrong about it.

the leaded Datasheet was from the regular Command Box, and they always used normal weapons
yet we don't know what is going to change, and it could be that it is only the Command Unit that gets special crafted Bolters and no one else

Hiya. Not tactic question as such but runepriest with jump pack and min sized units of grey hunter, wolfen and thunderwolf cavalry. Did PL upgrade increase PL's in those enough 25PL went to 27PL?

Either I'm misremembering opponents list or he had 2 PL too big army. Not too unhappy especially as his thunderwolf literally did nothing all game so didn't really affect but if it's due to PL changes good idea to inform him(he's casual player and isn't neccessarily following net that much so possible he isn't even aware of whole PL change)