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 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Then a bunch of recycled characters.

Recycled characters?

Re: the several Silver Tower character packs

Oh, I thought you were talking about BSF.

But overall, yes, I don't think there's been a real clear plan as to what they want to do with Quest.

Really they'd do well to do a complete remake of the original. It was simple, it was fun, it was unnecessarily cruel and unfair to the players. It was perfect!

Yeah, I meant across the relaunched WHQ line.

Yeah, I would take a simple kind of harsh game to hang out with friends and play/throw dice cooperatively. Even the light board gamer in my group has said the WHQ line is overly easy.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Yeah, I would take a simple kind of harsh game to hang out with friends and play/throw dice cooperatively. Even the light board gamer in my group has said the WHQ line is overly easy.

If you've never played the original then try to track a copy down. It's beyond harsh.

Honestly the journey back to town after an adventure is often more harrowing than fighting Orcs and Minotaurs. The amount of time half our gold has been melted in a camp fire (we always blame the Elves and their hair spray!) are too numerable to count...

Silver Tower characters pack is better than 60$ for "bad guy expansion".

Also the BSF game system is pretty boring. And controlling the "bad guys" is actually way more fun. Playing as "heroes" didn't feel any better than a generic goon, so might as well play as a bunch of goons, plus they got more expansions.

I think the biggest failing of BSF is that you are playing as These Guys™ rather than Your Guys™.

If you could play as your own character, develop them as you wish, equip them with gear that you find as you go along, or save up for, and so on, that would be a dramatic improvement.

Plus there was also a time when a Quest expansion meant this, and not this.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think the biggest failing of BSF is that you are playing as These Guys™ rather than Your Guys™.

If you could play as your own character, develop them as you wish, equip them with gear that you find as you go along, or save up for, and so on, that would be a dramatic improvement.

Plus there was also a time when a Quest expansion meant this, and not this.

Actual skills and levelups would be cool. Customizing makes a game last so much longer.

I think it probably would have all stuck had the prices been a bit lower though, the game has some great minis, nice setting / fluff, a more self-contained board game style for people that want it. Even the Nurgle xpac would have been completely acceptable had it been good value but they've just overpriced everything. I want the Zoat and I've spent loads on minis since the covid situation started but I've skipped the Zoat and I doubt I'll ever buy it.

JWBS wrote:
I think it probably would have all stuck had the prices been a bit lower though, the game has some great minis, nice setting / fluff, a more self-contained board game style for people that want it. Even the Nurgle xpac would have been completely acceptable had it been good value but they've just overpriced everything. I want the Zoat and I've spent loads on minis since the covid situation started but I've skipped the Zoat and I doubt I'll ever buy it.

True.
I still have to buy Trator command myself, I cannot justify the price.
And I usually buy Chaos related stuff, but this was a bridge way too far for my wallet.

I have to admit Traitor Command was the one that stung the most (I refuse to buy the low-effort one with the Plague Marines).

I really do hope GW doesn't charge as much for future Quest expansions, but we all know they'll end up charging more...

JWBS wrote:
I think it probably would have all stuck had the prices been a bit lower though, the game has some great minis, nice setting / fluff, a more self-contained board game style for people that want it. Even the Nurgle xpac would have been completely acceptable had it been good value but they've just overpriced everything. I want the Zoat and I've spent loads on minis since the covid situation started but I've skipped the Zoat and I doubt I'll ever buy it.

This is exactly how I feel. I really wanted to buy into the Blackstone board game ...until I saw the price. Then I really wanted to buy the Ambull...until I saw the price. Then I really, really wanted the Zoat...until I saw the price. When I saw the two new drone things, I half-heartedly hoped that I could dare to dream...until, you know the story.

I ended up spending more on Shadows of Brimstone expansions than all the BSF stuff costs combined, but ai got a hell of a lot more value for it.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I have to admit Traitor Command was the one that stung the most (I refuse to buy the low-effort one with the Plague Marines).

I really do hope GW doesn't charge as much for future Quest expansions, but we all know they'll end up charging more...

I think there’s a potential happy medium to be struck.

Expansions as we know them now. Introduce kooky models, such as Ambull and Zoat. Pack in some additional board tiles.

Character Expansions packs, matching Qlassic Quest. Unique sculpts, lovely.

Bestiary Books or Books. Rules for using general 40k nasties in your Dungeon/Space Hulk/Whatever.

They totally have a plan, which is unfortunately to leverage fomo, nostalgia and some neat new models to milk a loyal player base. I really like the uber drones but that seems a bit pricey for an expansion.

looks like a 200% mark up

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
I think there’s a potential happy medium to be struck.

Finding the middle ground is not something GW is known for unfortunately.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Expansions as we know them now. Introduce kooky models, such as Ambull and Zoat. Pack in some additional board tiles.

They've got to be meatier than they are now. The expansion with the cool new Cultists. That was like a Quest expansion of old. That for the price of Traitor Command/Ambull/etc. and it'd be perfect.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Character Expansions packs, matching Qlassic Quest. Unique sculpts, lovely.

On the proviso that you get to play Your Dude™ and not That Dude™. There needs to be more personality in these games.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Bestiary Books or Books. Rules for using general 40k nasties in your Dungeon/Space Hulk/Whatever.

This. A thousand times this. But it should be part of the core box.

shadowsfm wrote:
looks like a 200% mark up

Given what we know of GW's margins, it's probably more than that.

I agree on the personality side of things. By all means offer pre-constructed heroes for release, but is it that much more work to let us create our own? Is there any reason that a Rogue Trader can’t be the tank, or the DPS, or the healer? I say thee nay!

I do feel that Characters and Opponents should be separate expansions, overall.

Man the price of this expansion is pretty insane. That is up there with expensive kickstarters that include dozens of (admittedly inferior) minis.

I really want it, though, since it's the finale. I could just BARELY justify the last "main" expansion with the cultists and extra heroes, but this. . . this just seems like too much. I mean, they always seem like too much, but this one just seems like WAY too much.

Quasistellar wrote:
Man the price of this expansion is pretty insane. That is up there with expensive kickstarters that include dozens of (admittedly inferior) minis.

I really want it, though, since it's the finale. I could just BARELY justify the last "main" expansion with the cultists and extra heroes, but this. . . this just seems like too much. I mean, they always seem like too much, but this one just seems like WAY too much.

Totally agree !! The false cost inflation because it IS the finale reeks of the dark Kirby Greed days.

And, really, for a finale, two drones is a pretty underwhelming no matter how big they are or if you can use them in 40K.

I gave up on BSF when I saw the first expansions price- and keep in mind I love the concept of rogue traders, and playing a game as a rogue trader. Converted myself up a unique one just to play as.

But I hope for the next incarnation of fantasy WHQ they either tone the price down on the expansions, or beef up the model count.

(Though that said, if one of the expansions has one or more Fimir... yeah, I'm not likely to resist buying that.)

They haven't even shown us how tall these drones are yet, have they?

shadowsfm wrote:
They haven't even shown us how tall these drones are yet, have they?

They said on FB that they're on 50mm bases.

They look relatively large, but also their shown sprues are pretty simple so it's not like it's production costs jacking up the price.

Yeah a friend really wanted those drones, but at that price he'll rather wait for someone to resculpt them for home printing.

Glad and sad in equal measure that BSF is coming to an end.

Sad because it had some cool ideas - being the first 40K Quest, the explorers, overlap with Kill Team, White Dwarf coverage, and for bringing back old favourites while introducing new interesting ones. Even tie-in novels. The game has been incredibly well supported for the better part of two years, and it would be good if it could bow out on a 2020 annual. There's still time to include Necrons in White Dwarf and they have some frigging cool new models incoming to make that happen( Doomstalker. Mic-drop. Nuff'said )...

Glad because the setting never lived up to its potential, its decision to go with bland Chaos baddies, the infamous Deathguard expansion...and yes, the price of expansions. The giant drones feel like characters that should have been introduced far sooner, and the final expansion could have introduced something far more interesting as the ultimate baddie( Doomstalker. CSI-Miami-drop ).

But hey, GW took a different approach to this Quest game and eggs were inevitably going to be broken to make that omelette. I didn't take the plunge but that WD Solitaire mission almost convinced me. I did purchase the Ambull kit for the model alone, but the other contents were at least interesting. The positives probably outweighed the negatives, even if one purchased just the core game and the 2019 annual.

Here's looking forward to the next Quest game, whatever it may be.

Man... it's the same cost as Escalation. GW really are taking the piss here.

*goes off to find how much store credit he has saved up*

2 Oversized drones for ridiculous price!

Yikes! Keep the vault closed, no thanks!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Man... it's the same cost as Escalation. GW really are taking the piss here.

*goes off to find how much store credit he has saved up*

I’ve got £4.20 with Element. Takes it down, including standard discount, to around £48.

Damn my completist weirdo ways! Will wait until flatmate pays his rent though.

£65 and Escalation is a requirement...

I'd cut to a porky pig laugh here, but I've already used that old chestnut this week.