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So who could be the clone they want to bring back?
I'm assuming wrecker, a mutation that strong could be useful

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So who could be the clone they want to bring back?
I'm assuming wrecker, a mutation that strong could be useful

The Kaminos? Obviously Omega. [Its kinda in the name]

She was presumably made for a purpose (and they did say they need one because spoilers; that just happen to coincide with the Imperial reappraisal of the whole project). So of them, she was designed, rather being a random mutation that just happens to fit an absurdly specialized role that happens to work out for an ad hoc special forces squad. I doubt the Empire would appreciate (or want) an army of Techs, Hunters or Wreckers, and I'd be shocked if the Kamino folks didn't know that at this point.

Plus... I hope they don't, but they could get real creepy (or just trope-y) about it.

I may have misconstrued something along the way, but my take so far was that none of the Bad Batch were actually accidents, that's just what they think. The show seemed to be presenting the angle that they were deliberate experiments to try out different traits.

As for Omega, the impression I got is that she was a long-game attempt to create a new base-line genetic donor, as they mention that the material from Jango is degrading.

 Albertorius wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
On the part of Lucas?

Lucas wrote every episode of that series, so what was he meddling with?

Clone Wars? As far as I know, Lucas did not write a single episode:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars:_The_Clone_Wars_episodes

Ak-shu-ally, George DID write a couple of them. Dave Filoni wrote the majority, but he let George have a go at it as well. GL may have "stepped back" from the company, but only as "top dog" - he still has a lot of leeway with "consultancy".

 chromedog wrote:

 Albertorius wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
On the part of Lucas?

Lucas wrote every episode of that series, so what was he meddling with?

Clone Wars? As far as I know, Lucas did not write a single episode:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars:_The_Clone_Wars_episodes

Ak-shu-ally, George DID write a couple of them. Dave Filoni wrote the majority, but he let George have a go at it as well. GL may have "stepped back" from the company, but only as "top dog" - he still has a lot of leeway with "consultancy".

You know, I feel like we're meaning different things when saying "write", then, because Filoni is only credited for writing or co-writing 10 episodes in the whole seven seasons, mostly on season 7. He did direct a bunch, and AFAIK he was the showrunner for most of it, but that's not writing the episodes. The writers do that.

As Lucas is not credited on any episode, I have to assume that by "writing" you mean something else, like defining the main plot or something like that.

Yeah, Lucas created the show, and a lot of the ideas that show up in its run were born from discussions with him, but he didn't actually write any of it.

 insaniak wrote:
I may have misconstrued something along the way, but my take so far was that none of the Bad Batch were actually accidents, that's just what they think. The show seemed to be presenting the angle that they were deliberate experiments to try out different traits.

Maybe. Its been a long time since I've seen the entire CW show, but I was under the impression that they were accidents. There was an original 'defective' (how they present and talk about him in show) Clone #99, that they're named for. And his problems were presented as not unheard of, and they were more of the same, just with positive military applications.

As for Omega, the impression I got is that she was a long-game attempt to create a new base-line genetic donor, as they mention that the material from Jango is degrading.

Yeah, basically. Without her, it doesn't matter if the Imperials cancel the clone army, it effectively cancels itself. Because yadda yadda degradation reasons. [Seriously, they don't have that mapped and stored? All clone tissue is non viable because technobabble? This seems a stretch, and an unnecessary one since Tarkin and etc. seem intent on cancelling the clone army anyway, which gives everyone plenty of motives without nonsense sci-fantasy justifications.]

Their episode in the final season of CW I think definitely pinned them as accidents who turned out to have advantageous mutations, not purposefully created (that was the explanation I think Obi-Wan gave to Anakin when they were introduced). Then again it's easy enough to toss that out as 'something someone thought' that wasn't actually true.

Voss wrote:
[Seriously, they don't have that mapped and stored? All clone tissue is non viable because technobabble? This seems a stretch, and an unnecessary one since Tarkin and etc. seem intent on cancelling the clone army anyway, which gives everyone plenty of motives without nonsense sci-fantasy justifications.]

I mean, this is an issue in actual cloning technologies, hypothetical and otherwise. One of the challenges in human cloning is something like how close our DNA is to the structures that enable cell division or something? Apparently that makes separating genetic material and cloning it extremely hard because its really easy to damage the structure itself just trying to pick it apart. Even the animals we clone tend to come out with lots of defects. That's not an issue when you're just looking through the bits and examining the pieces, but for producing an actual person it's like a big deal. You could extrapolate that to SWs, and that the more they reuse the material they have the more of it they lose simply as a result of basic error in the process. The clones don't provide a solution per se because they're material is based on the original and if that original material takes gradual damage each time it's used then simply going to the clones doesn't get around the damage that's already there.

Most of the problems with the clones in SW have some kind of basis in actual issues faced by cloning science. Maybe the Kaminoans put all their effort into solving other problems and never solved the replication problem. though that seems like a silly oversight but it's fiction so w/e. Maybe it was never an issue before. They'd never cloned the same material millions of times.

I mean, there was probably a reason Jango Fett was kept around long after, to make every batch of clones good. He was there for quite a bit(Boba was 10?)
With him gone, they lost it.

LordofHats wrote:Most of the problems with the clones in SW have some kind of basis in actual issues faced by cloning science. Maybe the Kaminoans put all their effort into solving other problems and never solved the replication problem. though that seems like a silly oversight but it's fiction so w/e. Maybe it was never an issue before

The oversight and never an issue before is really my issue with it. Its been basically magic nonsense cloning, but _now_ its a 'real problem.' But they obviously have other problems on their plate (Tarkin), so the narrative doesn't actually need this hint of realism.

Its just...
Ok, the 'A' story is 'what happens with the Bad Batch?'

The 'B' story is 'when does Tarkin drop his sudden and inevitable betrayal on the Kaminoans?' [It seems really telegraphed that he's going to kill them all, even without a SW wiki somewhere explaining exactly what happens. I could be wrong here, but that seems to be the direction]

A 'C' story of 'how does Kamino solve its science problem?' just doesn't seem relevant or important. I'm not even entirely invested in A or B yet, but C is getting nothing from me.

Voss wrote:

A 'C' story of 'how does Kamino solve its science problem?' just doesn't seem relevant or important. I'm not even entirely invested in A or B yet, but C is getting nothing from me.

It doesn't really need to grab you particularly hard. The C story is seemingly just there to explain why Omega exists. It's unlikely to be developed beyond 'We need to recover Omega' before Tarkin turns on them and wipes them out.

Voss wrote:
The 'B' story is 'when does Tarkin drop his sudden and inevitable betrayal on the Kaminoans?' [It seems really telegraphed that he's going to kill them all, even without a SW wiki somewhere explaining exactly what happens. I could be wrong here, but that seems to be the direction]


A 'C' story of 'how does Kamino solve its science problem?' just doesn't seem relevant or important. I'm not even entirely invested in A or B yet, but C is getting nothing from me.

Employing obvious foreshadowing with prior knowledge;



I think there's a clear tie in here with Omega, possibly as the basis for future Kaminoan endeavors and maybe a potential end point for the Clones as characters whenever the Bad Batch runs its course. So to me, I can see the pieces they're playing with and have a vaguish idea what each piece means, so I guess this isn't striking me as a problem in the same way.

Voss wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
So who could be the clone they want to bring back?
I'm assuming wrecker, a mutation that strong could be useful

The Kaminos? Obviously Omega. [Its kinda in the name]

She was presumably made for a purpose (and they did say they need one because spoilers; that just happen to coincide with the Imperial reappraisal of the whole project). So of them, she was designed, rather being a random mutation that just happens to fit an absurdly specialized role that happens to work out for an ad hoc special forces squad. I doubt the Empire would appreciate (or want) an army of Techs, Hunters or Wreckers, and I'd be shocked if the Kamino folks didn't know that at this point.

Plus... I hope they don't, but they could get real creepy (or just trope-y) about it.

IDK why i keep forgetting Omega exists lol.

I'm still going with my 'Omega is force sensitive' theory.

But part of me is now thinking of other options. - Could she be like, a clone of Satine? Maybe they'll try to tie into Mandalorian stuff, we know by Rebels that Mandalore turns into practically a wasteland by then... Maybe the Kaminoan rebellion seeks allies?

That can then turn into more of the journey of the Darksaber too....


For the fate of the clones, they seem to be suggesting that, for right now, they're assigning clones as the squad leaders. Which would make sense considering the relatively few clones and the Empires massive plans for expansion of its military

And it breaks down all that 'brotherhood' stuff when the clones are potentially on their own with normies a lot of the time..

Rumblings from Variety that Rangers of the New Republic has been canned.

Not seen it reported elsewhere, so keep your salt handy. Could simply be they’re rejigging and delaying it to extract Cara Dune from it.

I wasn't sure about Fennec Shand's look in episode 4 but there's 27 years between this and Mando. So looking at Ming Na Wen in Streetfighter (also 27 years old!) I can actually see the similarity now.

Also Dave Filoni has been promoted to Executive Creative Director at Lucasfilm only Kathleen Kennedy is above him there now.

The book of Boba Fett has finished principal photography and some promo images showed "Season 1" in them so it may or may not be a limited serious if Rangers gets shelved I could see Boba getting more seasons. Timothy Olyphant has also recently been sporting his Cobb Vanth look.

 Compel wrote:
I'm still going with my 'Omega is force sensitive' theory.

There were a couple musical cues tonight that made me less dismissive of this theory. I'm going with an Obi-wan/Jango hybrid, so she can officially apply for a cottage down on Star Wars street once this is all over.

Ep4 was... interesting. With all the problems, they seem to be Officially Out of Resources, so I'm expecting some sort of 'job' episode next. Possibly getting hired as muscle (and hacking) for a heist.

On Omega in episode 4.

I think they faked us out. Numerous moments where we might see latent Force abilities kick in on instinct. But....nope. She seems to just be A Kid.

Loth Cat.

Tooka.
A loth cat is a tooka, but not all tooka are lothcats.

Loth cats are specifically native to Lothal.

Tooka can be found on many planets.

Dave Filoni explained this a few years ago.

So, umm, Jabba’s Rancor has a canon name now.

A very Rebels feeling episode in my opinion.

I really hope this series does not go the way of the previous cartoons and have Omega as being the one to work everything out. I loved Rebels and Ezra mostly worked but Kaz in Resistance was awful.
Episode was okay though, interesting they are making back story for Fennec Shand before the Book of Boba Fett comes out.

The moment we saw a caged animal, without even knowing what it was yet, I knew it was Moochi.

I am really starting to feel that whole smallness of the galaxy with yet more preexisting characters continuing to show up. Like did Jabba’s ranchor really need a backstory?

I always rather liked the scene when the Ranchor was killed and we saw its keeper crying. It was a really small part of the scene and yet it changed the dynamic of it in a subtle way and, like a lot of early Starwars, did speak of a story within. Sure we never got that story, but the simple moment to acknowledge it made the ranchor something more than just "wandering monster quest"

The Rancor that Luke killed was a male Rancor named Pateesa.

Moochie is a female Rancor, and not the same one.

 Overread wrote:
I always rather liked the scene when the Ranchor was killed and we saw its keeper crying. It was a really small part of the scene and yet it changed the dynamic of it in a subtle way and, like a lot of early Starwars, did speak of a story within. Sure we never got that story, but the simple moment to acknowledge it made the ranchor something more than just "wandering monster quest"

We did get that story in the old Expanded Universe (now Legends). A mercenary named Bidlo Kwerve brought the Rancor to Jabba, and ultimately became its first victim. The keeper guy (whose name is Malakili, btw) was planning to rescue the Rancor from Jabba's, but unfortunately Luke ended up killing it before that could happen. I think that story is in "Tales from Jabba's Palace".

New episode of Bad Batch is pretty solid.

Lots of background stuff going on (decommissioning of Droids, value of certain items) and a return for those lasses from the last season of Clone Wars.

I've not seen the episode yet, but I always figured they were another clear 'backdoor pilot' like Bad Batch that was probably the real reason Clone Wars season 7 got made at all.

Pretty much, yeah... the main point of Season 7 always seemed to be the last four eps (the "movie"), with the previous two arcs beng more like previews of things to come.

Ep 1:
Clones betray their old friends.
Crosshairs betrays the Batch

Ep 2:
Wrecker, “Ah my head.”

Ep 3:
Wrecker, “Ah my head.”

Ep 4:
Hunter, “You mean there’s literal, physical chips in our heads that made them betray their friends?”
Tech, “Did I not mention that before?”
Wrecker, “Ah my head!”

Ep 5:
Wrecker, “Ah my head!”
Hunter, “Stop complaining already!”

Ep 6:
Wrecker, “Ah my head!”
Echo, “Just do your job!”

Next time on Bad Batch (or longer if they keep milking it):
The chip in Wrecker’s head takes over and he betrays his old friends.
Everyone else;