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Really like the minis that have been previewed. I know Calgar is getting a bit of hate, but I really like him. It’s almost tempted me to start some Ultramarines. Think I will wait a year or two and hope they resolve what they really want to do with the marine product line first though.

I think the Titan looks great, can see why others don’t like it too though. I just really like the armoured sections at the top with areas for guys to come out and man the artillery. Like a genuine walking fortress.

The stars of the show are undoubtedly the GSC models and the Noise Marine though. Gorgeous paint job on the marine too.

 CaptainBetts wrote:

 Luciferian wrote:
If you read the reddit post a generous user linked to some pages back, it sounds like they just don't like the idea of certain Imperial Agent type units on a full fledged battlefield. They were specifically referring to Rogue Traders, but they said something along the lines of they make what they think is cool and they don't think dudes/dudettes with rapiers and dueling pistols belong in that context.

That was me who made the massive reddit post. That's pretty much correct - they said models like inquisition, rogue traders, assassins etc. don't fit very well at all. They used Inquisitor Eisenhorn as their main example actually.

That would be Inquisitor Eisenhorn who led a full-scale military invasion of a Xenos world that included several other Inquisitors?

See, this is the problem with their new stance - it's new, and makes no sense because GW themselves have provided plenty of examples in the fiction of it being just utterly wrong. Rogue Traders often have private armies on the scale of Guard regiments, pacts with Marine chapters, access to Xenos mercenaries etc. Inquisitors command armies as a matter of course. Assassins have been part of the 40K system since 2nd edition and have had their own codex several times.

It makes even less sense in the context of the other things they've been pushing forward for 40K recently. GSC are an opponent mostly more suited to local PDF and Arbites, yet the handful of late-stage scenarios where they launch a full blown insurrection war were considered sufficient justification to turn them into a full 40K army. They had to advance the setting's timeline by centuries and rip the galaxy in half to justify giving Custodes their own book, and it still seems vaguely daft that whole armies of them are running around now given their original background and their numbers. 40K is absolutely full of things that, strictly speaking, really "don't belong" in a system that's supposedly representing large scale military conflicts, but which exist within it anyway because they're cool and because the actual tabletop we play on typically limits itself to platoon or company sized forces, at which scale loads of things can comfortably muster a useful fighting force.

Frankly it sounds to me more like whoever's presently making the decisions in the studio just doesn't care for Agents and is casting about trying to find some kind of justification for their animus beyond simple dislike.

The Agents of the Imperium answer simply means that they aren't currently making that 'army'. Of any time since the release of Inquisitor, now seems like the most fitting time for it but hey ho.

 General Kroll wrote:
Really like the minis that have been previewed. I know Calgar is getting a bit of hate, but I really like him. It’s almost tempted me to start some Ultramarines. Think I will wait a year or two and hope they resolve what they really want to do with the marine product line first though.

I think the Titan looks great, can see why others don’t like it too though. I just really like the armoured sections at the top with areas for guys to come out and man the artillery. Like a genuine walking fortress.

The stars of the show are undoubtedly the GSC models and the Noise Marine though. Gorgeous paint job on the marine too.

Yup I love the new titan. People forget that way back in 1st edition AT that there where different classes of Reavers and Warlords and this kind of bridges that gap. I can't wait to get one and I will as soon as I finish off my Reaver.... the boss of me (AKA She who must be obeyed AKA the GF) says I can't get another big toy like that until I finish the last one off..... she knows me WAY to well

 cole1114 wrote:

 Niiai wrote:
Sooooo... does this means now that Calgar has a new body he can duke it out vs the swarmlord again? :-)

Adding +1T/+1W/+1A for him being a primaris in Gravis... no. He does 3.889 damage to the swarmlord versus the swarmlord doing 6.018 on average. Even if Calgar went first and got his average both times, meaning the swarmlord regressed 1S/1A, it would still do 5.046 damage which would kill Calgar. It's an improvement on the swarmlord just outright killing Calgar in one turn like it does now on average, but still not a win.

Or at least I hope that's all true, I don't know how well mathhammer sites do with D6/D3/etc damage.

I was thinking narativly.

 Niiai wrote:

 cole1114 wrote:

 Niiai wrote:
Sooooo... does this means now that Calgar has a new body he can duke it out vs the swarmlord again? :-)

Adding +1T/+1W/+1A for him being a primaris in Gravis... no. He does 3.889 damage to the swarmlord versus the swarmlord doing 6.018 on average. Even if Calgar went first and got his average both times, meaning the swarmlord regressed 1S/1A, it would still do 5.046 damage which would kill Calgar. It's an improvement on the swarmlord just outright killing Calgar in one turn like it does now on average, but still not a win.

Or at least I hope that's all true, I don't know how well mathhammer sites do with D6/D3/etc damage.

I was thinking narativly.

Heroes roll 6s

"Necrons don't seem to be getting much love from GW (as usual). Guess it's time to start a fluffy imperium list, but one I could still field in a game. I could buy those imperial assassin models I really like the look of......"

Why do I even bother. Glad my friend who collects GK might have a usable army tho.

 Phaeron Gukk wrote:
"Necrons don't seem to be getting much love from GW (as usual)..

Forgebane.

He's obviously talking about the rules, my dude. Current indications seem to be that Necrons aren't getting any meaningful changes in Chapter Approved, where Grey Knights are.

 Phaeron Gukk wrote:
"Necrons don't seem to be getting much love from GW (as usual). Guess it's time to start a fluffy imperium list, but one I could still field in a game. I could buy those imperial assassin models I really like the look of......"

Why do I even bother. Glad my friend who collects GK might have a usable army tho.

Dude you have a pretty full and reasonably modern set of models. You've received a new model this year. Chapter approved hasn't even come out yet. Necrons are far from the most ignored factions.

Danny76 wrote:

 Phaeron Gukk wrote:
"Necrons don't seem to be getting much love from GW (as usual)..

Forgebane.

We got one model that isn't even sold separately, and that was months ago, prior to the codex. It doesn't address the bloated points cost, lack of synergy and lack of damage output.
Oh yes, I can certainly feel the love.


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CassianSol wrote:

 Phaeron Gukk wrote:
"Necrons don't seem to be getting much love from GW (as usual). Guess it's time to start a fluffy imperium list, but one I could still field in a game. I could buy those imperial assassin models I really like the look of......"

Why do I even bother. Glad my friend who collects GK might have a usable army tho.

Dude you have a pretty full and reasonably modern set of models. You've received a new model this year. Chapter approved hasn't even come out yet. Necrons are far from the most ignored factions.

Actually we don't.
Most of the necron range dates back to 5th edition. Warriors, scarabs, the monolith and destroyers are even older than that.

Reasonably modern - most of the models look very good. Warriors maybe not. You also have a wide array of options. It is a 'complete' army for the most part. You don't have 3rd ed finecast units.

There's no fluff justification for inquisitors and the like not to be present on battlefields (however this is rare, they are not a front line role traditionally) but I always thought it was weird with the rules that they tried to make them powerful and/or melee specialists. They'd be much greater as force multiplayer and support roles. Giving grey knights to hit and to wound roles against a deamonic character of their choice (true name), small fluffy things like that which they can do without tackling the daemon themselves.

Same with other agents, supporting roles would be best.

I was actually annoyed that I somehow acquired models for a faction (assassins, led by an Inquisitor no less!) even less loved than non-Ork xenos, but ok.

I'd be hopeful about the Kill Team expansions, but the restricted nature of them (No customisation, pre-named characters, patrol detachments only) isn't encouraging.

Boxed set expansions.. so far.

Wouldn’t it be great for KT rules to come with them as a faction itself.
The Starstriders are a specific group.
But model and rule release of Inquisition, Rogue Traders, Other Imperial Faction, New Xenos Race..

Perfect way to test things out.

A lot of the answers when they say, no we aren’t doing it, I always take to mean right now rather than never doing.

Before they started work on 40k Primaris stuff I’m sure they would have said the same, I mean before even concept art/writing ideas and all that etc..

(And there will definitely be more Primarchs to come, there is a vague answer about LoW for factions, it says only if this and that about them, not specifically Primarch models, just “Primarch like models” for other factions).

It's less the "we're not doing it" and more the reason they're putting forward as to why they're not doing it. If they just say "nope", then everyone knows there's an unspoken "for now" tacked on the end there, but that they feel the need to actually lay out some (dumb, very very dumb) reasoning as to why is concerning.

 Niiai wrote:
Did BOLS have a picture of a grey knight primaris?

No, just a silver-armored Primaris.

During the presentation, they specifically said GKs will not be getting Primaris.

Saying that imperial agents wont work well on the battlefield is just saying the games not good enough to fit them in or the designers aren't capable of writing decent rules for them, I cant believe they said it.


I think having them in a support role that can fit into other imperial armies as different roles instead of being an army themselves is alright, it allows for more variation like that. I would like them all to be in the same book though.

I feel like there is an important distinction as someone was saying Every earlier..

There is more than one campaign book in the style of vigilus coming.
Each setting has its own theme.
Imperium will be in each campaign setting

That’s of the More than one coming that they are talking about Imperium for.
So it doesn’t mean every campaign ever.
(Though it would be every one ever, as the amount of Imperial factions means there’d always be one about. But technically, there could be a xenos vs chaos thing somewhere )

 ImAGeek wrote:

 porkuslime wrote:
My take on the Slanesshi Heraldess..

They took away bewbs because of the chillldrennnn.. what will they think!

But, evidently a sinew harp being plucked out of ye olde human backside is .. OK?

Man.. I like the model and think it evokes the daemon stuff from creepy, but .. I feel mixed messages here.

Except they haven’t taken away the boobs. Guessing you haven’t seen the new Fiend models?

I assure you, I HAVE seen the new Fiend, and think it is wonderful.

If you want to do snark, then maybe think that I was talking about the change from Diaz Daemonettes and Seekers to the current plastics..

AT THE TIME.. GW said that they were making the Slaaneshi stuff more "Family Friendly".. which (as pointed out) is .. NOT the Slaaneshi vibe. Now the pendulum seems to be swinging back to more edgy stuff..

I wish the new Noise Marine was not just a one-off... Slaaneshi 40k was one of my original starting armies..

Speaking of Slaanesh, as anyone else noticed that the harp is sticking out of some poor bastard's back? That's pretty messed up...and is totally consistent with Slaanesh. I approve.

 porkuslime wrote:
AT THE TIME.. GW said that they were making the Slaaneshi stuff more "Family Friendly"...

Where/when did they say that?

So, stupid thought after seeing the quad pictures and re-reading the Goliath entry in the 7th ed GSC codex and I quote:

Though an ascendant cult will make use of any type of vehicle, from lunar quads to civilian stretch-cars to mobile industrial macro rigs, the Goliath truck is always the most sought after.

I'm still of the opinion we had a preview of the limo back end a while back(Yes I know, mechanicus has rounded corners, so do goliaths), anyone see anything that strikes you as a macro rig in the rumor engine previews? It'd be hilarious if this was all teased in the old codex.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

Dirt bikers and this awesome guy. Wish they were for guard.

You and me both.

I like the new releases, especially the new GSC models. I'm actually starting to consider making an army of them now.

It's kind of ironic though that IG players have been wanting bikes for years, and the GSC beat them to the punch.

It also shows what GW are capable of. I've always thought that Stormtroopers should have bike squadrons, as befitting special forces types.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 porkuslime wrote:
AT THE TIME.. GW said that they were making the Slaaneshi stuff more "Family Friendly"...

Where/when did they say that?

Ok.. you caught me out.. I do not have the ability to dig thru many years of back issues of White Dwarf or conversations from 3rd/5th edition stuff.. I REMEMBER it, but cannot PROVE it.

 porkuslime wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 porkuslime wrote:
AT THE TIME.. GW said that they were making the Slaaneshi stuff more "Family Friendly"...

Where/when did they say that?

Ok.. you caught me out.. I do not have the ability to dig thru many years of back issues of White Dwarf or conversations from 3rd/5th edition stuff.. I REMEMBER it, but cannot PROVE it.

It was just internet conjecture. Just like the internet claiming for the last 3 years that Slaanesh is getting squatted.

Consider the ridiculousness of claiming that obvious hermaphrodites in one-boob corsets are family friendly.

 porkuslime wrote:
Ok.. you caught me out.. I do not have the ability to dig thru many years of back issues of White Dwarf or conversations from 3rd/5th edition stuff.. I REMEMBER it, but cannot PROVE it.

Mate, I'm not trying to be a dick about it. I just don't remember GW saying anything about Slaanesh.

Like blackfang said, the scuttlebutt surrounding Slaanesh was Internet conjecture, fulled by things like the start of AoS where the something showing the Chaos Gods was Nurgle, Khorne, Tzeentch and... Malarion? Where Archaon's mount had a head representing Nurgle, Khorne and Tzeentch, but not Slaanesh. How Slaanesh was missing/imprisoned. All of this led to the thought that maybe they were going away. The current Daemonette minis didn't help either.

And, like so many rumours and conspiracy theories, it grew not because of anything GW said, but more because they didn't say anything at all.

The best thing they could do with Inquistors would probably be to add them to the Imperial Guard book as an alternative HQ+retinue. Maybe with a stratagem/warlord trait that lets them treat x points/pl of Marines as having a matching keyword.

I read through the article, but maybe I missed it. Is there a release date for the previewed stuff?

I’m sure I saw somewhere that GSC is out before Christmas?