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skarsol wrote:

Not Online!!! wrote:
Giant Chaos Spawn.

A model that would never be purchased since they bumped its point cost into uselessness.

AND WENT OOP.
Ever thought about the fact that GW may write the rules for it?

GaroRobe wrote:
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Someone over at Warseer posted an older image featuring Winged Chaos Marines. Which could share a boxset with Possessed, though we already have two different jumpack units, one specifically aimed for close combats. So I'm not sure if flying possessed would even be something GW would consider making.

The old raptors used to have wings.

 Daedalus81 wrote:

 techsoldaten wrote:

 Daedalus81 wrote:
Love it...now show me tzeentch mutations!


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 techsoldaten wrote:
Tossing my old CSMs right now.

I did that when BF came out.

I understand pure Servants of the Abyss armies did well at LVO.

I'm just ready to ditch my old models. BF was the indicator that they were on the way.

Yeah. Wondering just what to expect tho...

I don't plan on ditching mine, but have started rebasing them to make them look taller. Figure I'm going to be mixing new and old for a while, like with the DV Chosen.

The new sculpts are good, but not abandon all previous efforts good.

 Insane Ivan wrote:

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Well, as I am accustomed by this point my response was completely ignored, but once again, I was told by a GW employee that the kits are multipart, the possessed are a new Gal Vorbak style unit, and the obliterators are the same as the codex.

Thanks for sharing man. Very interesting information if indeed true. Multipart would be cool, and will likely mean that all units in the box will be released separately at some point, instead of possibly staying exclusive to this box. Hopefully that means the old Chaos Marines will finally go the way of the dodo and be replaced by these awesome-looking new dudes.

Pretty much nothing ever stays exclusive to the boxes. Is there any? Even the HQ's have habit of eventually coming on their own. So if you have patience you can get them separately later if you don't want the rest for discount.

tneva82 wrote:

 Insane Ivan wrote:

 Wolf_in_Human_Shape wrote:
Well, as I am accustomed by this point my response was completely ignored, but once again, I was told by a GW employee that the kits are multipart, the possessed are a new Gal Vorbak style unit, and the obliterators are the same as the codex.

Thanks for sharing man. Very interesting information if indeed true. Multipart would be cool, and will likely mean that all units in the box will be released separately at some point, instead of possibly staying exclusive to this box. Hopefully that means the old Chaos Marines will finally go the way of the dodo and be replaced by these awesome-looking new dudes.

Pretty much nothing ever stays exclusive to the boxes. Is there any? Even the HQ's have habit of eventually coming on their own. So if you have patience you can get them separately later if you don't want the rest for discount.

A lot of push fit stuff from the starters does, which is presumably why they’re happy about the kits being multipart, as it means they aren’t likely to not be available separately.

GaroRobe wrote:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3697b5c04946a5786536321a7940cab26f712ecd3b11fd8617575ca788124298.jpg

Someone over at Warseer posted an older image featuring Winged Chaos Marines. Which could share a boxset with Possessed, though we already have two different jumpack units, one specifically aimed for close combats. So I'm not sure if flying possessed would even be something GW would consider making.

The possessed kit presently has wings and some possessed are supposed to be able to fly, in past editions they could be upgraded to be jump pack infantry...

I maybe overly optimistic, but with updated rules possessed could easily become the customizable and flexible close combat elite choice... or even an all round flexible choice if they have some sort of daemonic pew pew.

 techsoldaten wrote:


Yeah. Wondering just what to expect tho...

I don't plan on ditching mine, but have started rebasing them to make them look taller. Figure I'm going to be mixing new and old for a while, like with the DV Chosen.

The new sculpts are good, but not abandon all previous efforts good.

I am fortunate in that my CSM were done when i was a teenager...so they look terrible anyway...

 Daedalus81 wrote:

GaroRobe wrote:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3697b5c04946a5786536321a7940cab26f712ecd3b11fd8617575ca788124298.jpg

Someone over at Warseer posted an older image featuring Winged Chaos Marines. Which could share a boxset with Possessed, though we already have two different jumpack units, one specifically aimed for close combats. So I'm not sure if flying possessed would even be something GW would consider making.

The old raptors used to have wings.

Nnnnnnno.

They just stole their flight packs from the Birdmen of Catrazza, they didn't have organic wings.

tneva82 wrote:
Pretty much nothing ever stays exclusive to the boxes. Is there any?

An obvious one is Chaos Cultist special weapons and champions.

New daemon rumour engine. Though possessed seems to be the likely thing all things considered (no debate from me), i'll throw a wild card in there with that claw and posit a new Keeper of Secrets or slannesh daemon?

GaroRobe wrote:
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3697b5c04946a5786536321a7940cab26f712ecd3b11fd8617575ca788124298.jpg

Someone over at Warseer posted an older image featuring Winged Chaos Marines. Which could share a boxset with Possessed, though we already have two different jumpack units, one specifically aimed for close combats. So I'm not sure if flying possessed would even be something GW would consider making.

The thing is - Kevin Chin have a distinct work-style, so this flying creatures are Possessed as much as this blood angels leader with fur coat is Blood Angels Primaris capatain.

Honestly, the kits still look monopose to me.

I'll be very happy if I'm wrong. I much prefer full kits. But looking at them, that's what I think. That bolter CSM is just so similar to the BSF ones, for starters.

I don't give much weight to the fact that other battle boxes have contained full kits. They do, but nearly always models that already exist (sometimes with one new kit and often with new characters). It would be unprecedented for a battle box to contain a whole new set of multipart sculpts. If that's ever happened before it might have been the 3rd edition starter set.

But like I say, I'm basing this judgement - which may be wrong - on how the models look. I'm not trying to draw a parallel some or other existing set because this is something different.

I guess we'll see.

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Pretty much nothing ever stays exclusive to the boxes. Is there any?

An obvious one is Chaos Cultist special weapons and champions.

Did we ever get a multi part Chosen release post Dark Vengeance? The weird thing is as well as the champs and special weapons not even all of the vanilla cultists sculpts got a release after the set came out. That was 2012 though...a loooong time ago.

That was leaving easy money on the table, too. What was Kirby smoking?! And now I realise that my regular CSM plastics are old enough to vote Geez. Time for new ones!

ListenToMeWarriors wrote:

 spiralingcadaver wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
Pretty much nothing ever stays exclusive to the boxes. Is there any?

An obvious one is Chaos Cultist special weapons and champions.

Did we ever get a multi part Chosen release post Dark Vengeance? The weird thing is as well as the champs and special weapons not even all of the vanilla cultists sculpts got a release after the set came out. That was 2012 though...a loooong time ago.

Dark Vengeance had 11 different Cultist sculpts, not counting the 2 different weapon/backpack options for the heavy, so basically 12 different models (2 champions, 4 x pistol and CCW, 4 x autogun, and 2 x heavy). Only 5 of those were released separately later, and out of all the Chaos models in that set, only the Helbrute later received a separate multi-part set. The Aspiring Champion which was later added to the newer version of Dark Vengeance was the only other CSM to be released with the same aesthetic, up until Blackstone Fortress.

Mandragola wrote:
Honestly, the kits still look monopose to me.

I'll be very happy if I'm wrong. I much prefer full kits. But looking at them, that's what I think. That bolter CSM is just so similar to the BSF ones, for starters.

I don't give much weight to the fact that other battle boxes have contained full kits. They do, but nearly always models that already exist (sometimes with one new kit and often with new characters). It would be unprecedented for a battle box to contain a whole new set of multipart sculpts. If that's ever happened before it might have been the 3rd edition starter set.

But like I say, I'm basing this judgement - which may be wrong - on how the models look. I'm not trying to draw a parallel some or other existing set because this is something different.

I guess we'll see.

GW have literally said this is a battle box and "the twist" is that it contains all new sculpts. Given that every battle box has contained new minis, all of which have been full kits, I don't see why anyone would suspect otherwise.

Monopose is a meme. It's up there with overdesigned. Every tactical marine, Ork boy, Eldar guardian etc has been posed more or less the same way for twenty odd years, despite them being multipose kits. The new sculpts are posed better and how limiting is it really to have the torso and legs connected?

JSG wrote:
Monopose is a meme. It's up there with overdesigned. Every tactical marine, Ork boy, Eldar guardian etc has been posed more or less the same way for twenty odd years, despite them being multipose kits. The new sculpts are posed better and how limiting is it really to have the torso and legs connected?

Compare the Reivers from the 3-pack monopose to the Reivers from the actual kit and you'll see.

The 'torso and legs being connected' aren't the issue- or what happens in monopose kits. It's the lack of options and customization. I want my models to be able to tilt their heads and face a specific direction, to have dynamic poses with their arms that work with their stance, to have a degree of personalization that makes them actually look the way I want them to.

GW can sometimes make some good monoposes, but let's be honest... most of them are awful. See their timeless classics like: "Imperium's Elite Warrior that can't change magazines without looking at the gun like it's new to him", or "Dude standing bowlegged and pointing a gun and waving a sword over his head", "guy doing aerobics with his weapons", and the ever classic "man yelling at thing he probably doesn't need to yell at".

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
The 'torso and legs being connected' aren't the issue- or what happens in monopose kits. It's the lack of options and customization.

So monopose is a meme

I want my models to be able to tilt their heads and face a specific direction, to have dynamic poses with their arms that work with their stance

And for the first time GW are giving you what you want.

to have a degree of personalization that makes them actually look the way I want them to.

Well personalization, by it's very nature, can't really be included in the kit, so it is really what you make of it.

I'm being a little tongue in cheek with my responses here. I just wanted to push back agaisnt the idea that these new kits are somehow lacking compared to the older kits. IMO the newer kits are the best we've ever had, poses included.

JSG wrote:
I'm being a little tongue in cheek with my responses here. I just wanted to push back agaisnt the idea that these new kits are somehow lacking compared to the older kits. IMO the newer kits are the best we've ever had, poses included.

Let me elaborate:

Reiver 3-pack, monopose. Boring. We both get these packs and our guys will be pretty much identical.

Reiver 10-man kit, not monopose. We could both have completely different appearances in our models, add in new bits, place grenades and holsters and sheathes where we want, etc.

I prefer the latter.

And the old kits... eh. No, not much of a fan. Nearly all the Space Marines in the old kits were the same, with a few customization options- they were still all standing roughly the same exact way.

JSG wrote:

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:
The 'torso and legs being connected' aren't the issue- or what happens in monopose kits. It's the lack of options and customization.

So monopose is a meme

I want my models to be able to tilt their heads and face a specific direction, to have dynamic poses with their arms that work with their stance

And for the first time GW are giving you what you want.

to have a degree of personalization that makes them actually look the way I want them to.

Well personalization, by it's very nature, can't really be included in the kit, so it is really what you make of it.

I'm being a little tongue in cheek with my responses here. I just wanted to push back agaisnt the idea that these new kits are somehow lacking compared to the older kits. IMO the newer kits are the best we've ever had, poses included.

I agree that I found it much easier to create interesting poses with Primaris marines than with the old "squatting" marines. Even though I could only connect each torso to a set of legs in just one manner, they resulting marine each looks very different (while the old squatting stances all look very similar, at least from a distance), and with creative choices of arms and head directions, I could create distinct and interesting poses far easier than with the older models. The poses might get repetitive if you have an entire army of primaris, but then you could do a lot to mix-and-match the different Primaris kits (e.g., combining the Intercessors and Helblasters kits will give you 10 distinct basic poses for basic Mark X armour marines, which could be easily interchanged with all kinds of different arms etc., and that's not including the poses from the EtB Primaris and any character kits).

Obviously you can do a lot with "old" marines too, but making their poses interesting often requires quite a bit of modelling skill and even greenstuff skills, while the Primaris are a bit more friendly to less-experienced builders, certainly as long as you're happy to do a little kit-bashing.

As for the true monopose EtB kits, to me they look like the can be easily combined with bits from the full kits to just have the basic "torso & legs" as just another option to connect different heads and arms too. The only downside seems to be the pre-molded kit etc.,

Next Deamon Engine post is up:

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/02/15/the-daemon-engine-15th-february-2019/



Probably the HB dude included in the regular CSM kit from Shadow Spear, or is HBMC finally getting his Havocs?

I'd put my money on it just being part of the regular CSM box. Looks absolutely awesome though.

Gee, this thing suuure looks like more possessed. It's almost as if certain someone's aura of being 100% wrong 100% of the time somehow warped these into existence

Guys, quick, can you spamwhine something loudly about primaris terminators and veterans? I'd like to get them by my birthday, TYVM

 Adeptus Doritos wrote:

JSG wrote:
Monopose is a meme. It's up there with overdesigned. Every tactical marine, Ork boy, Eldar guardian etc has been posed more or less the same way for twenty odd years, despite them being multipose kits. The new sculpts are posed better and how limiting is it really to have the torso and legs connected?

Compare the Reivers from the 3-pack monopose to the Reivers from the actual kit and you'll see.

The 'torso and legs being connected' aren't the issue- or what happens in monopose kits. It's the lack of options and customization. I want my models to be able to tilt their heads and face a specific direction, to have dynamic poses with their arms that work with their stance, to have a degree of personalization that makes them actually look the way I want them to.

I don't get your problem. 3 dynamic, different poses vs 3 identical, squatting + clutching bolter across the chest ones - new kit, even though it's ETB, is obviously superior here.

Even the other thing you mention, posing, is non-issue with new ETBs, all you need is to clip off tab at the bottom of the head, presto, you can pose it you any way you want. Ditto with arms - clip off pegs and you can pose the arm pretty much to the same degree as old 'multipose' minis. The only issue is the fact the pad is part of the arm, so you can't rotate it to hide gaps to nearly same degree, and have to use file/greenstuff for more radical reposing, but the possibility is there. In fact, I'd grade 'ETB' far superior to at least two dozen old plastic "multipose" kits when it comes to ease of assembly and pose, never mind looks and ease of cleanup/prep...

New Heavy Support Primaris Marine confirmed

New planet name as well, rather than being Vigilus (unless it's a location thereon? Really not that up on my Vigilus knowledge).

Re monopose vs multipart, going to talk about the Plague Marines and Reivers as they are the ones I've assembled.

I like the monopose Plague Marines, but I wish they were slightly easier to convert. Some of them you can just swap the head/arms/backpack with no issue, but the ones where those parts aren't easily removable are a pain.

I think it's also important that a multipart kit exists alongside any monopose kits - my monopose Plague Marines / Reivers would have a lot more repetition if I didn't have the multipart kits to raid for parts.

 Irbis wrote:
... certain someone's aura of being 100% wrong 100% of the time...

Excuse me?

The source:




https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/02/15/warhammer-40000-the-shadow-war-for-nemendghast-part-1/

Also note that the heavy weapon Marine has Grav chute vanes. So a frickin' drop Devastator type Marine.

And this pretty much puts to rest the stupid fething ETB conversation. We have the Autocannon and the Assault Cannon Marines to prove it.

That new primeris looks like he's got a helverin autocannon with that wee shield on the front of it