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Still hoping for an animated series of Cap traveling thru time returning the stones.

 AduroT wrote:
Still hoping for an animated series of Cap traveling thru time returning the stones.

The biggest problem I noticed is the stones where not returned in their original state, The Space Stone is no longer in the tesseract, Mind in the Staff.

Also, is it me, or does Avengers1 no longer Gel with War and Endgame? if Thanos plan was Balance thru genocide and doing it Via the infinity stones, Why give 1 to Loki? just to get another 1? He had two daughters to go down and get it with no fuss.

I kinda like the idea of Kang showing up as a direct result of what the Avengers did in this film. Tony said that time hits back, and Kang would be the ultimate expression of that.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I have yet to see a criticism of her that isnt rooted in sexism.

I reckon you've seen plenty, but you just assume anyone criticising her is sexist. Sure makes discussing her easier if you can just ignore everyone who criticises her.

 LordofHats wrote:
Where does one find a winged horse in what appears to be Scotland?

Fun fact: 'New Asgard' is in Tønsberg, which is where Odin fought the Ice Giants in a climactic battle and where Odin stored the Space Stone before Red Skull found it.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Still hoping for an animated series of Cap traveling thru time returning the stones.

The biggest problem I noticed is the stones where not returned in their original state, The Space Stone is no longer in the tesseract, Mind in the Staff.

Also, is it me, or does Avengers1 no longer Gel with War and Endgame? if Thanos plan was Balance thru genocide and doing it Via the infinity stones, Why give 1 to Loki? just to get another 1? He had two daughters to go down and get it with no fuss.

Yep I noticed that too, it's why time travel stories never work and while they seemed to have tried to address this in the film they ultimately failed like every other "serious" time travel story, doesn't make the movie bad by any stretch and isn't a sticking point for me, it is what it is.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Are people still talking about the Girl Power moment?

Let me help you.

One of the heroines was the Scarlet Witch, whose super power is "whatever the writer feels like" up to and including blowing up an infinity gem and taking on Thanos one on one.

So why did a half dozen women assemble at once?

Because the Scarlet Witch wanted them to.

Done.

Hadnt considered that one When it happened my inital thoughts were that it was a fun shout out to the A-Force comics. Followed by, did they really have all those actors together on set at the same time?(kinda applies to the entire climax and Tony's funeral as well). And then, who thought Captain Marvel needed help after she just punched that ship out of the sky?

Well apparently she couldn't take on Thanos, who just punched her with the power stone. Thanos is ridiculous in this movie. He doesn't even have the gauntlet, and yet he still held off Thor, Captain America, Iron Man and Marvel. The only character he really had trouble with is Scarlet Witch, and that's because magic is bs.

I try to stick to the wisdom of Stan with these things.



(this vid should IMO also be stickied in the 40k background section )

Well there's that. Still doesn't make it not absurd though.
I mean, in theory I can have a toddler run up and kick Thanos in the nuts, who immediately goes down.
He's not wrong, but he isn't right either.
I guess it depends on how much suspension of disbelief you have available.

sed s/toddler/Squirrel Girl/g

And, pretty much comic accurate

Am I the only one that wanted nebula to kill off thanos? After all the gak she went though, torture, emotional torture etc. I thought it would be a good pay off.

As for the scarlet witch bit, I was glad they finally started pushing her to be a bit more powerful, she is a weak sad imitation of the comic version, also thought it was funny when thanos was like "I don't even know who you are" after her speech haha.

what I am looking forward to though is how phase 4 will shape up, I still think the MCU as we know it is dead after end game and they will take a very different path, suppose we need to wait until after Spiderman to see since that is his last movie under the licence agreement (unless they renew) with Sony.

 Formosa wrote:
Am I the only one that wanted nebula to kill off thanos? After all the gak she went though, torture, emotional torture etc. I thought it would be a good pay off.

If we're talking roads not taken, yeah Nebula was my pick to win the whole thing.

In the original Infinity Gauntlet comic Thanos turned her into a zombie as a joke and (after killing everyone sent after him) ascended to a higher plane of existence/one with the universe sort of thing.

So Nebula stumbled over to his comatose body and snatched the glove. It was a great scene and a nice bit of hubris bringing down the bad guy rather than punching.

And I'd like to see Karen Gillan with hair

A Drax and Nebula team up would have been great. - I mean, Drax's single stated character goal was "Kill Thanos." - Which was dropped down to a joke in Infinity War.

Nebula was my pick before for the person who undoes the snap.

 Formosa wrote:

what I am looking forward to though is how phase 4 will shape up, I still think the MCU as we know it is dead after end game and they will take a very different path, suppose we need to wait until after Spiderman to see since that is his last movie under the licence agreement (unless they renew) with Sony.

Personally, I am really hoping that the Fantastic Four will be brought into the MCU in order to develop Dr. Doom as the new overarching villain.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

what I am looking forward to though is how phase 4 will shape up, I still think the MCU as we know it is dead after end game and they will take a very different path, suppose we need to wait until after Spiderman to see since that is his last movie under the licence agreement (unless they renew) with Sony.

Personally, I am really hoping that the Fantastic Four will be brought into the MCU in order to develop Dr. Doom as the new overarching villain.

Hmmm a proper Dr Doom would be cool, and they could easily slot him into the universe via the sokovian (so?) Incident like they did with zemo, my bet is on Galactus though, if they bring in the fantastic 4 then we will be seeing avengers 8 in ten years time as they try to take him/it down.

All that being said, still want my Spiderman, wolverine and Deadpool team up... Don't give me any crap about different companies marvel, just make it happen.

I feel like doom is a really good ongoing bad guy but galactus is more a 1 or 2 movie thing in the middle. More a avengers 1 or 2 event so that he is in the universe and can be utilized later.

Maybe in 10 more years we get battleworld with the beyonder which featured both doom and galactus.

Good point Lance, I did see that marvel is hesitant about introducing the more conceptual characters in their movies too, hence why no death etc. Yet, I think as time goes on they will introduce them, it was mentioned after Dr strange 2 or in Dr strange 2 we would see these characters though, could be fun, would also mean yet another reason to introduce Deadpool, like captain marvel though it could be a bad shoe horn to introduce him so I'm hesitant even though I would like to see a that character in the MCU.

I'd honestly be ok if they didn't put deadpool into The Avengers. Dunno if this sounds weird but too many characters with the same personality may become a bit too much. I realize ant man and deadpool are different but i think too many comic relief characters while fun may be too similar.

I love Deadpool and Ant Man but i feel like there are some characters that when spammed 5 or a million times become boring. For instance how they tried to make a ton of han solo (dash rendar and to an extent kyle katarn) or boba fetts (a whole clone army and various other characters) in Star Wars. What makes them good is that they're unique.

Perhaps it's not a big deal though. I just hope it'd work.

A Deadpool after credits scene where he runs in pulling on the last straps of his suit like I’m here! I’m here! I didn’t miss it did I?

 Formosa wrote:
Good point Lance, I did see that marvel is hesitant about introducing the more conceptual characters in their movies too, hence why no death etc. Yet, I think as time goes on they will introduce them, it was mentioned after Dr strange 2 or in Dr strange 2 we would see these characters though, could be fun, would also mean yet another reason to introduce Deadpool, like captain marvel though it could be a bad shoe horn to introduce him so I'm hesitant even though I would like to see a that character in the MCU.

I think it's less hesitant and more a lesson they took to early. Introduce new elements slowly. The general audience is only on board because they have time to process all these things that have been getting chucked into the comics for 70 years.

We as nerds know magic exists in the MCU but it's not until phase 3 Dr. Strange that we REALLY see them admit it. Thor 1 introduces some magical concepts but always with this technological edge to it and the line "I come from a world where science and magic are one and the same." Dr. Strange uses magic mostly to open a portal and "fire cracker kung fu". But the next time we see him it's all kinds of crazy things and the audience is on board.

You can't just throw the universal concepts like eternity, infinity, eon, the living tribunal, etc etc... at audiences. You need to soften them up. If Antman 1 had Scott Lang shrink between the atom and land in a city full of Microverse people living their lives everyone would have thought it was the dumbest thing ever. But seeing the city in the background of Antman and the Wasp and now with several trips in and out of the microverse... well... lets just say the Microverse isn't off the table any more.

I think Dr. Strange is a good vector to introduce those kinds of things.

 AduroT wrote:
A Deadpool after credits scene where he runs in pulling on the last straps of his suit like I’m here! I’m here! I didn’t miss it did I?

This I would have loved. Add Dopender driving him there in a taxis and they start arguing about how the other road would have been faster.

 Lance845 wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
Good point Lance, I did see that marvel is hesitant about introducing the more conceptual characters in their movies too, hence why no death etc. Yet, I think as time goes on they will introduce them, it was mentioned after Dr strange 2 or in Dr strange 2 we would see these characters though, could be fun, would also mean yet another reason to introduce Deadpool, like captain marvel though it could be a bad shoe horn to introduce him so I'm hesitant even though I would like to see a that character in the MCU.

I think it's less hesitant and more a lesson they took to early. Introduce new elements slowly. The general audience is only on board because they have time to process all these things that have been getting chucked into the comics for 70 years.

We as nerds know magic exists in the MCU but it's not until phase 3 Dr. Strange that we REALLY see them admit it. Thor 1 introduces some magical concepts but always with this technological edge to it and the line "I come from a world where science and magic are one and the same." Dr. Strange uses magic mostly to open a portal and "fire cracker kung fu". But the next time we see him it's all kinds of crazy things and the audience is on board.

You can't just throw the universal concepts like eternity, infinity, eon, the living tribunal, etc etc... at audiences. You need to soften them up. If Antman 1 had Scott Lang shrink between the atom and land in a city full of Microverse people living their lives everyone would have thought it was the dumbest thing ever. But seeing the city in the background of Antman and the Wasp and now with several trips in and out of the microverse... well... lets just say the Microverse isn't off the table any more.

I think Dr. Strange is a good vector to introduce those kinds of things.

All about finding the right lens for the audience to see it through I guess.

As noted, Dr Strange eased us into some aspects, as have the two Ant-Man films. GotG took us into Space, as did it’s sequel and Ragnarok, buttering us up quite nicely for Captain Marvel, and indeed End Game.

Trick is to remember just how straight forward and relatively grounded the first batch of films were. Iron Man, Hulk and Cap were all very, constrained I think is a fair term. Just enough of the fantastic to gently nudge the audience from our world, into Marvel’s.

So, saw it today, in a shockingly crowded theater on a sunday afternoon during a completely storm-washed weekend. (And was reminded yet again why I hate theaters. Fething kids). But things had gotten to the point where I was having to make an actual effort not to be spoiled on the film, so figured it was worth doing.

Pretty good. Not amazing. Was pleasantly surprised there were far fewer shenanigans and consequences in their method of fixing it- I fully expected them not to think about the things and just undo what Thanos did in the last one, not actually try to work around consequences.


Things I could have done without:

- Thor

- Barton (while his presence was plot necessary, his issues weren't, and they could have worked it a bit to make him not plot necessary)

- The establishing shots of NY and SF. The writers' or director's concept of what 'half' meant seemed awfully empty, even with collateral damage (from planes, helicopters, cars, etc) taken into account. In a weird way it supported Thanos' goals- until the memorial scene, those cities seemed a lot more peaceful and sane places to be.

- the massive under-utilization of... most of the cast. Most of the people on the poster were barely in the film, and some of the ones that got large lots of screen-time were.... odd choices. Dictated more by the plot element they fulfilled rather than interesting storytelling. [Except War Machine, actually, who was present for everything but... didn't matter or get a payoff in any way at all]

But I wouldn't call it a great movie since so much was about ticking boxes and then filming what amounted to cameos.
While the rationale for Captain Marvel to be 'out there' rather than on Earth makes logical sense in universe, in movie it made her feel more like a plot device. Especially since the initial rescue isn't ever explained (See Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy on space being 'really big'), after the hype that fell a little flat.


Stark was done well, Rocket was done well, Cap was gifted with a great wrap up and resolution for... reasons that aren't really apparent to me. Everyone else was just 'ensemble'
Mind you some of Nebula's quiet conversations were wiped out by the brat behind me, but they didn't really seem willing to commit to doing as much with her as they should have.


Thanos.... Thanos was treated a lot worse by this film than the previous one. While his rationale was still crazy (and ridiculously temporary, just deleting 50% of the population is a linear decrease in an exponential function. A century or so delay without any accompanying tech changes), he sold his conviction about what he was doing really well, with a respect for his opponents and an understanding of why they're fighting. '2014' Thanos is just a kill-mad brute. He's boring, and anticipating that rather than having to really fight for his prize, it'll just be gifted to him.

 Compel wrote:
A Drax and Nebula team up would have been great. - I mean, Drax's single stated character goal was "Kill Thanos." - Which was dropped down to a joke in Infinity War.

Drax was, to be fair, something of a joke from GoG 1 onwards, where his actual stated character goal was 'kill Ronan,' and he was laughably ineffectual in his attempt to do so. At no point afterwards did he rise above 'comic relief sidekick,' and after failing at killing the lackey so badly, the idea that he'd be of any use in the real conflict makes no sense.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Still hoping for an animated series of Cap traveling thru time returning the stones.

The biggest problem I noticed is the stones where not returned in their original state, The Space Stone is no longer in the tesseract, Mind in the Staff.

Also, is it me, or does Avengers1 no longer Gel with War and Endgame?

Their state doesn't really matter, just their presence in at that point in the other reality. That's the whole point of the conversation with the Ancient One and Hulk. They're effectively invading other Marvel universes (say 677 and 678) and bringing the stones back to Marvel MCU (which presumable isn't 616- the comics universe).

They don't really explain it well while crapping on other time travel movies, but the Ancient One actually uses the terms 'your universe' and 'this universe' (or 'reality'), but they do establish (in the awkward movie conversation) that they can't affect 'the timeline,' because it doesn't work that way.
So the Ancient One gets the time stone back, but that universe also has a Loki running around with the Tesseract. But since they can't change their own past, Avengers 1 links up the same way it always has- they didn't steal the earlier stones from their own universe.

The mcus official universe designation is earth-199999.

Just a fyi

Could have done without Thor?

Wat???

Also: $600m more, and it catches Avatar.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Could have done without Thor?

Wat???

Maybe he's just jealous that he doesn't have the body of a Norse god like the rest of us do?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Could have done without Thor?

Wat???

Also: $600m more, and it catches Avatar.

Avatar was still making $1 mil+ per day in March 2010 and was released in December 2009. Endgame is already the biggest movie event ever and it's not even close.

epronovost wrote:

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
I dunno i feel like there are just better less political actresses out there than brie larson. Actresses that have a greater range of expression and even if they didn't at least it's not blank face or angry resting face.

I don't know the character in a comic book, but it make sense that a tomboyish soldier would not be the most expressive range. She's supposed to be serious and disciplined and when she's not, she's supposed to brash and cynical. You might not be a fan of that type of character, but that's not really the actress fault. I don't view Larson as a political actress. She hasn't played in any political or judicial drama with a clear political message or been seriously involved in certain cause. She's not a Gal Gadot, Emma Watson, Denzel Washington, Steven Seagal, Russel Means, Mel Gibson, etc.

Perhaps it's also the fact she's kinda taking the reins of the Marvel franchise after everybody else goes. I'd be lying if i said in general that she doesn't make me somewhat bitter. Of course i'm not the biggest marvel fan so i could still just watch what i want and to not watch what i wish not to watch.

I don't think she was setup to be the leader of the New Avengers cast. She is definitely going to take a good spot, but she will certainly share the position with Strange, Ant-Man and Spiderman. In fact, it's probable that Spiderman is going to take the spot of the star of the new cast. We will have

I realize the world will probably end by me saying this (and it's probably a Dakka first) but i actually concede some of my original point and mostly that is because you politely and reasonably de-constructed my criticism without the need to insult me. If opposing sides in politics acted this way perhaps we'd all get along better and possibly be friends. It is an important thing in Tabletop to give a handshake regardless of who wins and loses. Sportsmanship and all that.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Could have done without Thor?

Wat???

Thor's role in this film is to be a 1500 year old god who sulks like a 20-something drop-out, acts as comic relief, and ultimately ends up stealing a counterpart's artifact (one himself mourned over) to give Chris Evans a better send-off.
I didn't find any of that particularly interesting to watch, there were literally a dozen MCU characters that I would have rather seen on the screen more often instead.

You say sulks like a 20-something drop out.

I say a man who is suffering from crippling depression, who hates himself for his failures and inability to correct them. A man who has given up on life and his people, and now just drinks and eats his pain whilst surrounding himself with people who won't question him (Korg).